Pump Survey - Page 2

icel0rd · 01-26-2002, 08:44 PM

Thanks for the info.

I think I'm going to save my self some manual labor and go with an integrated res/pump.

Has anyone checked the following res/pump out?

http://www.overclockershideout.com/M...tegory_Code=WC

It has a 3/8" fitting, and my block has 1/2" fittings, but I guess I can deal with that by perhaps trying to change the fittings on the res/pump. It is a pretty nice looking unit, and I think its worth a try.

I was just wondering if someone has seen this in action.

Brad · 01-27-2002, 04:11 AM

it is a 12v bilge pump, which is designed to run for short periods at a time.

in short, it will blow up fairly quickly, don't buy it

resago · 01-28-2002, 10:25 AM

DUDE!!! if you run a 1/2" setup with the eheim pump, thats all you need!!!, you don't need a res or anything else!! Air is quickly evacuated out of the system with 1/2" tubing and a standard 5/8" T .

Fixittt · 01-28-2002, 12:26 PM

Well I have to chime in on this one, I have used Rio pumps for as long as I have been watercooling, prolly about 5 years now. My first Rio was a rio 800, Still works, and is still solid, it does have the screw on cap to make sealing good, and does have the O ring. I also use ALOT of rio 400`s I love the small compact design, and have NEVER EVER had one die on me. (KNOCK ON WOOD)

As I type this, My little rio 400 is sitting IN my res pumping away, and had been almost un-interupted for months now. There have been times that it was shut off. DAMN FERRET. he unplugged the pump a few days ago while I was crunching some data. 100% load, and it too 15 to 20 minutes before my system alarm went off. Which is set to 55 degrees C. I just noticed it unplugged and plugged it back in, and within a minute the alarm quite, and with 5 minutes I was back down to a cool 34 C

resago · 01-28-2002, 01:21 PM

you've got a ferret? really? I've always wanted one,but my wife has BAD allergies.
Ferrets are cool.

Fixittt · 01-28-2002, 02:00 PM

Yeah my wife has prolly the worst allergies in the world, tell your wife to ask her doctor about a shot that lasts 6 months. My wife has gotten 2 in the last year, and they work wonderfully. No more headaches, sickness, sneezing.

Here is the little theif stealing a 1200 T bird. Its funny I had all sorts of shiney aluminum and other stuff on the floor, and that is the only thing he kept trying to steal.

Fixittt · 01-28-2002, 02:04 PM

ohh and I might add, that I am making a pump that is built into the waterblock. If the motor goes dead, just replace the motor, not the whole thing. GRIN

icel0rd · 01-28-2002, 03:24 PM

ROFL. I have 2 ferrets too. I know EXACTLY what you mean about them getting into stuff. My critters absolutely love mousepads as much as tipping over waste baskets to inspect them. I can still remember chasing Sable down the hall after she jumped on my wife's computer desk and stole her new Mickey mouse pad. I could tell you some hilarious ferret stories.

Anyway, back to the pump / res deal. Do temps really suffer much without a res? I would imaging that the maintenence would be little harder with filling/bleeding and such if you don't use a res.

How many of you are pro res and how many are anti res ? Just curious.

Brad · 01-28-2002, 05:34 PM

my cats like heatsinks, cause they are shiney and stuff.

A res won't give you better temps, the advantage in having a res is that it is easy to fill, otherwise there is no reason for one

webmedic · 01-28-2002, 06:19 PM

Yea my cats steal my screws. I've used both res and no res. They are more or less the same. Just like brad said the res is easier to fill.

futRtrubL · 01-28-2002, 07:32 PM

I prefer no res here. My priority, and while a res with a pump in it may not be much larger it's still enough to matter to me.

Edward

Fixittt · 01-29-2002, 01:35 PM

i prefer to have a res, alwasy have, its just a little added assurance if waterlevers get low.

my setup is basicly an inline, but with a small res. I still have a fill tube., the res is totally sealed, no way to open it.

Pyrotechnic · 01-29-2002, 07:38 PM

i'm probably one of the few people using this pump, but i use a MarineLand 1140 300gph pump. I got it for $30 @ petsmart, they also have a 400gph model for $40, but i decided this was all i needed. I easily conveted it to inline with standard fittings from home depot. This thing pumps hard, it get tons of flow with 1/2 inch tubing, the water moves very fast. I let this thing run for a day pumping water in a large tupperware, and the water only got slightly warm. Overall i can say i've had a good experiance with this pump, i've had my water cooling system running for 2 days now and it's working great, the only problem is that garbage vinyl tubing. 1/2 inch vinyl is even worse than 3/8 vinyl, so i'm saving uo for some silicone tuning

gmat · 01-30-2002, 07:49 AM

The reservoir will not change anything at all to your temps. However many ppl use them to trap bubbles. Take a look at Tubokeu's setup.
Now, always use an inline pump. If you put a submersible one into a res it will heat up your water, no good. And those things produce lots of heat...

webmedic · 01-30-2002, 09:47 AM

Thats not true i got tired of hearing all the rumors so I tested both kinds for myself. If you take a look in your ehiem pump you will see a small hole in the serface area under your impeller. That hole is used to cool the pump. If you really wan't to know how much heat a pump will produce look at the watt rating for the pump. Good submersibles can be found that only produce 6-7 watts. The ehiem produces 28 watts.

Juast take your time if you are not sure and if you want to know for sure don't take anyones word for it. I have now tested many pumps.

Don't get me wrong I like my ehiem pump, it's the 1250 model, but it doesn't outperform any other pump accept the rio's. For some reason my rio pumps give temp's about 2c higher than all the other ones I've tested. On the other hand the ehiem is expensive and there are other solutions that work just as well without this cost.

Pyrotechnic · 01-30-2002, 04:57 PM

i think my marineland 1140 could hold a candle to an ehiem 1250. Marineland is a big aquarium company.

DigitalChaos · 01-31-2002, 09:08 PM

well i got my eheim 1250 and it is a little quieter than my rio1100 and has a little more water flow... but the casing is just as hot.
also the rio gave a little emi to my monitor but the eheim doesnt....

for all the people sayin rios die... well i ran that rio for 2-3 hours DRY (accident) and it has been runnin my system for over a month now without problems.

another thing you may want to consider is the size difference:

thats a quarter in the pic for reference

Brad · 02-01-2002, 01:06 AM

heh, the eheim is like twice the length of the rio. Any info about how high each one will pump water

DigitalChaos · 02-01-2002, 11:31 AM

rio 1100:
0ft=382gph
1ft=352gph
2ft=295gph
3ft=236gph
4ft=180gph

(taken from graystonecreations.com rio specs table which is what rio provides with their pumps.)

i will get back to you about the eheim 1250 because i dont know where to find the specs... if someone else knows please post

Pyrotechnic · 02-02-2002, 07:21 PM

i think eheims cost too much. If they were less i would have bought one. I dunno, they might be worth the money, or i'm being a cheap ass

jbe · 03-29-2002, 12:15 PM

whatever you do, don't buy an overclockershideout.com res and pump. those things suck so bad it's unbeleivable. i bought one, and i put it all together and couldn't beleive how bad it was. the pump speeds up and slows down, makes a horrible amount of noise, and heats up the water A LOT!

trust me, you do not want to make the same mistake i did. that thing is never going to see a day of operation in my system. not a chance. i'd rather run an SK6 with a 7000 rpm delta whailing away.

TiTch · 03-29-2002, 02:11 PM

I have a 1250 eheim as well. Why compromise.

mx-6* · 03-29-2002, 03:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jbe
whatever you do, don't buy an overclockershideout.com res and pump. those things suck so bad it's unbeleivable. i bought one, and i put it all together and couldn't beleive how bad it was. the pump speeds up and slows down, makes a horrible amount of noise, and heats up the water A LOT!

trust me, you do not want to make the same mistake i did. that thing is never going to see a day of operation in my system. not a chance. i'd rather run an SK6 with a 7000 rpm delta whailing away.

Are you talking about their new "500GPH pump/res?

Isn't that thing almost 100 bucks? For that price it should cool all of my systems. And it has a gay 10 dollar pump in it I bet.

TiTch · 03-29-2002, 03:18 PM

I got one of those. They cannot handle any back pressure. I'm going to use mine to cool the GPU and chipset and nothing else. The CPU needs a pump that works a bit.

icel0rd · 03-29-2002, 05:01 PM

I have one and its still chugging away. No issues at all, and I run it 24/7.

I didn't pay anywhere near 100 bucks for it. Might have been somewhere around half that. The eheim pumps just look a little too ghetto for me. It looks too big and bulky, and takes up a lot of real estate.

I kind of like the sound my pump makes (honest). Its kind of an underwater, muffled swishy sound. Not very loud at all IMO. My 120 mm fan is just as audible at about 7v.

Some of us are easier to please

LONG LIVED VINYL !!!!! *keeps fingers crossed*

-Ice-

01-27-2002, 04:11 AM	#27
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	it is a 12v bilge pump, which is designed to run for short periods at a time. in short, it will blow up fairly quickly, don't buy it __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

01-28-2002, 12:26 PM	#29
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Well I have to chime in on this one, I have used Rio pumps for as long as I have been watercooling, prolly about 5 years now. My first Rio was a rio 800, Still works, and is still solid, it does have the screw on cap to make sealing good, and does have the O ring. I also use ALOT of rio 400`s I love the small compact design, and have NEVER EVER had one die on me. (KNOCK ON WOOD) As I type this, My little rio 400 is sitting IN my res pumping away, and had been almost un-interupted for months now. There have been times that it was shut off. DAMN FERRET. he unplugged the pump a few days ago while I was crunching some data. 100% load, and it too 15 to 20 minutes before my system alarm went off. Which is set to 55 degrees C. I just noticed it unplugged and plugged it back in, and within a minute the alarm quite, and with 5 minutes I was back down to a cool 34 C __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

01-28-2002, 02:00 PM	#31
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Yeah my wife has prolly the worst allergies in the world, tell your wife to ask her doctor about a shot that lasts 6 months. My wife has gotten 2 in the last year, and they work wonderfully. No more headaches, sickness, sneezing. Here is the little theif stealing a 1200 T bird. Its funny I had all sorts of shiney aluminum and other stuff on the floor, and that is the only thing he kept trying to steal. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

01-28-2002, 02:04 PM	#32
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	ohh and I might add, that I am making a pump that is built into the waterblock. If the motor goes dead, just replace the motor, not the whole thing. GRIN __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

01-28-2002, 05:34 PM	#34
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	my cats like heatsinks, cause they are shiney and stuff. A res won't give you better temps, the advantage in having a res is that it is easy to fill, otherwise there is no reason for one __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

01-26-2002, 08:44 PM	#26
icel0rd Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Where even the devil wont go Posts: 103	Thanks for the info. I think I'm going to save my self some manual labor and go with an integrated res/pump. Has anyone checked the following res/pump out? http://www.overclockershideout.com/M...tegory_Code=WC It has a 3/8" fitting, and my block has 1/2" fittings, but I guess I can deal with that by perhaps trying to change the fittings on the res/pump. It is a pretty nice looking unit, and I think its worth a try. I was just wondering if someone has seen this in action.

01-28-2002, 10:25 AM	#28
resago Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: state of denial Posts: 488	DUDE!!! if you run a 1/2" setup with the eheim pump, thats all you need!!!, you don't need a res or anything else!! Air is quickly evacuated out of the system with 1/2" tubing and a standard 5/8" T .

01-28-2002, 01:21 PM	#30
resago Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: state of denial Posts: 488	you've got a ferret? really? I've always wanted one,but my wife has BAD allergies. Ferrets are cool.

01-28-2002, 03:24 PM	#33
icel0rd Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Where even the devil wont go Posts: 103	ROFL. I have 2 ferrets too. I know EXACTLY what you mean about them getting into stuff. My critters absolutely love mousepads as much as tipping over waste baskets to inspect them. I can still remember chasing Sable down the hall after she jumped on my wife's computer desk and stole her new Mickey mouse pad. I could tell you some hilarious ferret stories. Anyway, back to the pump / res deal. Do temps really suffer much without a res? I would imaging that the maintenence would be little harder with filling/bleeding and such if you don't use a res. How many of you are pro res and how many are anti res ? Just curious.

01-28-2002, 06:19 PM	#35
webmedic Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cheney, Wa Posts: 367	Yea my cats steal my screws. I've used both res and no res. They are more or less the same. Just like brad said the res is easier to fill.

01-28-2002, 07:32 PM	#36
futRtrubL Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Posts: 204	I prefer no res here. My priority, and while a res with a pump in it may not be much larger it's still enough to matter to me. Edward

01-29-2002, 01:35 PM	#37
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	i prefer to have a res, alwasy have, its just a little added assurance if waterlevers get low. my setup is basicly an inline, but with a small res. I still have a fill tube., the res is totally sealed, no way to open it. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

01-29-2002, 07:38 PM	#38
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	i'm probably one of the few people using this pump, but i use a MarineLand 1140 300gph pump. I got it for $30 @ petsmart, they also have a 400gph model for $40, but i decided this was all i needed. I easily conveted it to inline with standard fittings from home depot. This thing pumps hard, it get tons of flow with 1/2 inch tubing, the water moves very fast. I let this thing run for a day pumping water in a large tupperware, and the water only got slightly warm. Overall i can say i've had a good experiance with this pump, i've had my water cooling system running for 2 days now and it's working great, the only problem is that garbage vinyl tubing. 1/2 inch vinyl is even worse than 3/8 vinyl, so i'm saving uo for some silicone tuning

01-30-2002, 07:49 AM	#39
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	The reservoir will not change anything at all to your temps. However many ppl use them to trap bubbles. Take a look at Tubokeu's setup. Now, always use an inline pump. If you put a submersible one into a res it will heat up your water, no good. And those things produce lots of heat...

01-30-2002, 09:47 AM	#40
webmedic Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cheney, Wa Posts: 367	Thats not true i got tired of hearing all the rumors so I tested both kinds for myself. If you take a look in your ehiem pump you will see a small hole in the serface area under your impeller. That hole is used to cool the pump. If you really wan't to know how much heat a pump will produce look at the watt rating for the pump. Good submersibles can be found that only produce 6-7 watts. The ehiem produces 28 watts. Juast take your time if you are not sure and if you want to know for sure don't take anyones word for it. I have now tested many pumps. Don't get me wrong I like my ehiem pump, it's the 1250 model, but it doesn't outperform any other pump accept the rio's. For some reason my rio pumps give temp's about 2c higher than all the other ones I've tested. On the other hand the ehiem is expensive and there are other solutions that work just as well without this cost.

01-30-2002, 04:57 PM	#41
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	i think my marineland 1140 could hold a candle to an ehiem 1250. Marineland is a big aquarium company.

01-31-2002, 09:08 PM	#42
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	well i got my eheim 1250 and it is a little quieter than my rio1100 and has a little more water flow... but the casing is just as hot. also the rio gave a little emi to my monitor but the eheim doesnt.... for all the people sayin rios die... well i ran that rio for 2-3 hours DRY (accident) and it has been runnin my system for over a month now without problems. another thing you may want to consider is the size difference: thats a quarter in the pic for reference

02-01-2002, 01:06 AM	#43
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	heh, the eheim is like twice the length of the rio. Any info about how high each one will pump water __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-01-2002, 11:31 AM	#44
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	rio 1100: 0ft=382gph 1ft=352gph 2ft=295gph 3ft=236gph 4ft=180gph (taken from graystonecreations.com rio specs table which is what rio provides with their pumps.) i will get back to you about the eheim 1250 because i dont know where to find the specs... if someone else knows please post

02-02-2002, 07:21 PM	#45
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	i think eheims cost too much. If they were less i would have bought one. I dunno, they might be worth the money, or i'm being a cheap ass

03-29-2002, 12:15 PM	#46
jbe Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: illinois Posts: 24	whatever you do, don't buy an overclockershideout.com res and pump. those things suck so bad it's unbeleivable. i bought one, and i put it all together and couldn't beleive how bad it was. the pump speeds up and slows down, makes a horrible amount of noise, and heats up the water A LOT! trust me, you do not want to make the same mistake i did. that thing is never going to see a day of operation in my system. not a chance. i'd rather run an SK6 with a 7000 rpm delta whailing away.

03-29-2002, 02:11 PM	#47
TiTch Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: London, UK. Posts: 64	I have a 1250 eheim as well. Why compromise.

03-29-2002, 03:18 PM	#49
TiTch Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: London, UK. Posts: 64	I got one of those. They cannot handle any back pressure. I'm going to use mine to cool the GPU and chipset and nothing else. The CPU needs a pump that works a bit.

03-29-2002, 05:01 PM	#50
icel0rd Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Where even the devil wont go Posts: 103	I have one and its still chugging away. No issues at all, and I run it 24/7. I didn't pay anywhere near 100 bucks for it. Might have been somewhere around half that. The eheim pumps just look a little too ghetto for me. It looks too big and bulky, and takes up a lot of real estate. I kind of like the sound my pump makes (honest). Its kind of an underwater, muffled swishy sound. Not very loud at all IMO. My 120 mm fan is just as audible at about 7v. Some of us are easier to please LONG LIVED VINYL !!!!! keeps fingers crossed -Ice- __________________ Redhat 8 Gigabyte GA-7dpxdw+ w/dual modded AXP 1800+ CPUs running at AXP 2000+ speed 1 512 meg crucial ECC DDR 2100 1 512 meg Infineon PC2700 Sblive Value Geforce 4 Ti4600 Deskstar 60 gig drive (1)K4.1 waterblock (.5" barbs) (1) Maze 3 waterblock (.5" barbs) Black Ice Rad TopFin 250gph pump 1/2" OD Vinyl hose (yep, vinyl)

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