white coating in my tubes - Page 2

DigitalChaos · 05-09-2002, 12:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim
Hey ya know, when I was first building my watercool with the Maze2 I ran the setup for 24 hours without the block connected to the cpu to test for leaks. No water wetter added, just distilled water.

The next day when I drained the system the water came out milky. Must have been what you experienced. At the time I thought it was junk or flux from the Ford heater core.

Gettin' old sucks, you forget things!
Jim

nah, this IS flux... because it is IN the water, suspended like that (water soluble)

and the problem im having is probably very isolated with the maze2.

DigitalChaos · 05-09-2002, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by Avatar28

That what it sounds like to me as well. That's why I'm going to go with deionized water. It's better filtered and more pure. The stuff I'm going to be carrying is lab reageant grade stuff. So it should be exceptionally pure. Only $8/gallon too. I'm trying to convince Danny at D-Tek to carry the stuff. I've already even worked out a better deal with the guy for him. He just has to do it.

wtf? NOOOO i found the problem.. why are we still speculating?

i think the only other person that had the same problem as me was BigNuts

Jim · 05-09-2002, 05:22 PM

Digital
I'm agreeing with you.

Jim

Avatar28 · 05-09-2002, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DigitalChaos

wtf? NOOOO i found the problem.. why are we still speculating?

i think the only other person that had the same problem as me was BigNuts

Yeah, I, um, I posted that reply before getting to the end of the thread. 8-)

DigitalChaos · 05-09-2002, 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Jim
Digital
I'm agreeing with you.
Jim

sorry, i misread it then.

i thought you were sayin the opposite

WireX · 05-09-2002, 08:51 PM

ok, I am too lazy to read all the replies (missed bout the last 10) but in my experience this is waht is is:

in one word: Calcium (well, in my case anyway)

I ran a pure distilled water setup for 3 months, and when everything got too foggy to see through nicely, I decided to clean the setup (well, the leak helped perswade me too).

When I took off of those, I could clearly see a "White" (not any other colour) buildup. First though, get a CLR rip off. So I ran upstairs, but we only had half a bottol of "Lime-Away" left, but I figured it would work (important later). I filled the tupes, and let them soak for two days, but it only made the tubing 'spotty'. I then looked at the bottol, and it said it only worked on lime, not all three. I then soaked them in hot soapy water, but that only made the spots more visible (not quite sure why). So then I went to the store, and bought 1 liter of Isopropyl alcohol (we were out, and you can never have too much). I ran my whole system with about 500ml of the alchol and whatever it took to top off my system of water (mabe 100ml).
It took two more days, but all the fog is gone, and now I run Anti-freeze, so I will see if that helps at all.

One explination, but may not solve the probolem for all of you.
Btw, I didn't get any foaming... and it was 99% pure stuff, just in case it matters.

p0b0y · 05-09-2002, 10:45 PM

it comes from you!
i had the same problems when my dumb ass blew air through my tubing...

jaydee · 05-09-2002, 10:56 PM

I get this white slim after about 3 weeks with any of my systems. The water will be fine untill it is circulated, then the white crap starts to build. I also think the extra few C of heat help it grow faster. I am certain it is growth of somekind. I never used a maze 2 and it happens regularly with my copper and AL blocks. I did run some water through a filter once and it helped, but still in time it happened. My next systems will run watter wetter or equvelent and I will see if it stops. I never worried about it before because my systems come apart every weekend, but who knows how much of this crap is stuck in the rads. Going to run windsheild washer fliud through the rads being it is only 84cents a gallon. Hell I may even use it for the coolant.

p0b0y · 05-09-2002, 11:01 PM

My setup uses an z4(shut up

) and have changed the tubing/setup several times. Ive only gotten the white residue a few times, maybe 2 outta the 4 times ive done it. I use distilled water from the store. Ive gotten all the vinyl hoses from home depot. The only thing in common is the fact that ive blown through the hoses prior to install(to mess with my girl's cats).
Methinks the water might be getting contaminated by oil on the hands or some biological means.
Its just a theory......

WireX · 05-10-2002, 07:36 AM

don't worry, their are still a few z4 users out their, though I try not to admit it

-WireX
(btw, my current clean hoses have been runnign for two weeks, with no problems)

Jim · 05-10-2002, 09:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaydee116
I get this white slim after about 3 weeks with any of my systems. The water will be fine untill it is circulated, then the white crap starts to build. I also think the extra few C of heat help it grow faster. I am certain it is growth of somekind. I never used a maze 2 and it happens regularly with my copper and AL blocks. I did run some water through a filter once and it helped, but still in time it happened. My next systems will run watter wetter or equvelent and I will see if it stops. I never worried about it before because my systems come apart every weekend, but who knows how much of this crap is stuck in the rads. Going to run windsheild washer fliud through the rads being it is only 84cents a gallon. Hell I may even use it for the coolant.

I used distilled water with water wetter mixed as per Danger Den recommendations (4 oz / gal), and I don't have any shit in my tubing running for two months now.

But when I go to the crystal clear Tygon hopefully tomorrow, then I'll be able to see for sure. Hoping the fluid stays clear!
Jim

UpAllNight · 05-10-2002, 10:16 AM

i have been up and running for 3 weeks now(with tygon tubing)and im starting to see the white film ya'll are talking about...sucks when u have clear tubing...im using straight tap water and a drop of bleach...but im tearing my system down in a few days to add a w/b to my vid card and to change to 1/2 x 3/4 tygon(i know have 1/2 x 5/8 to flimsy for me)...so if ya'll come across anything to stop it i sure would be glad to give it a whirl

DigitalChaos · 05-10-2002, 11:16 AM

#1 use distilled
#2 use distilled
#3 if you still aren't using distilled, use distilled
#4 use redline

Jim · 05-10-2002, 12:11 PM

#5 use distilled!

Digital -
That funny.
Why would anyone use tap water it's full of junk?
Jim

UpAllNight · 05-10-2002, 01:46 PM

i Knew that was coming...

look i was in a hurry and it was my first time at water cooling i just wanted to see the thing boot up....i was putting mine together the day after i read about jim and his crushed CPU...so i didnt give a rats ass what it had in it at the time...lol

Jim · 05-10-2002, 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UpAllNight
i Knew that was coming...

look i was in a hurry and it was my first time at water cooling i just wanted to see the thing boot up....i was putting mine together the day after i read about jim and his crushed CPU...so i didnt give a rats ass what it had in it at the time...lol

Yeah, that day sure sucked for me!

When you are cranking down on the hold down nuts for you water block and you hear a "click" you probalby crushed the core!

I think it was more the imbalance or angle that did it, than the pressure. Whatever, hope not to hear that sound again.
Jim

UpAllNight · 05-11-2002, 11:07 AM

for your info (Jim & D.C) i got my WW coming and i broke down and bought a gallon of distilled water...

Jim · 05-11-2002, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by UpAllNight
for your info (Jim & D.C) i got my WW coming and i broke down and bought a gallon of distilled water...

Yeah I know that distilled water breaks the budget at .99 cents a gallon! LOL

I think that's a good idea UP... .
Jim

DigitalChaos · 05-12-2002, 12:15 AM

its best to use distilled over tap... but redline is still much better down the road.

i was doing some corrosion tests a while back... and they are still sitting there. as soon as i get a DigiCam again i will take pics (any day)

anyway. the tests were copper and aluminum in a bunch of test cups... distilled water showed green oxidation forming after a while in the distilled water... the redline is still perfect =)

Jim · 05-12-2002, 08:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DigitalChaos
its best to use distilled over tap... but redline is still much better down the road.

i was doing some corrosion tests a while back... and they are still sitting there. as soon as i get a DigiCam again i will take pics (any day)

anyway. the tests were copper and aluminum in a bunch of test cups... distilled water showed green oxidation forming after a while in the distilled water... the redline is still perfect =)

I remember part of this test you did DC.
Was the Redline mixed 4oz / gallon of distilled water? Sorry, I can't recall.
Jim

DigitalChaos · 05-12-2002, 02:18 PM

i used redline 4oz and 2 oz mixtures, purpleice 4oz and 2oz mixtures, distilled, and tap

the 4oz to one gal is the recommended mix of both products

Jim · 05-12-2002, 02:36 PM

Thanks Digital
The 4oz to gal is what I use, glad to know this is the correct mix.
JIM

05-09-2002, 08:51 PM	#31
WireX Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Posts: 68	ok, I am too lazy to read all the replies (missed bout the last 10) but in my experience this is waht is is: in one word: Calcium (well, in my case anyway) I ran a pure distilled water setup for 3 months, and when everything got too foggy to see through nicely, I decided to clean the setup (well, the leak helped perswade me too). When I took off of those, I could clearly see a "White" (not any other colour) buildup. First though, get a CLR rip off. So I ran upstairs, but we only had half a bottol of "Lime-Away" left, but I figured it would work (important later). I filled the tupes, and let them soak for two days, but it only made the tubing 'spotty'. I then looked at the bottol, and it said it only worked on lime, not all three. I then soaked them in hot soapy water, but that only made the spots more visible (not quite sure why). So then I went to the store, and bought 1 liter of Isopropyl alcohol (we were out, and you can never have too much). I ran my whole system with about 500ml of the alchol and whatever it took to top off my system of water (mabe 100ml). It took two more days, but all the fog is gone, and now I run Anti-freeze, so I will see if that helps at all. One explination, but may not solve the probolem for all of you. Btw, I didn't get any foaming... and it was 99% pure stuff, just in case it matters. __________________ I am a Canadian Cooler and proud of it If at first you don't succeed, Skydiving isn't for you - Me The world is run by the internet The internet is run by computers Nerds run those computers I'm one of those nerds

05-10-2002, 07:36 AM	#35
WireX Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Winnipeg Manitoba Canada Posts: 68	don't worry, their are still a few z4 users out their, though I try not to admit it -WireX (btw, my current clean hoses have been runnign for two weeks, with no problems) __________________ I am a Canadian Cooler and proud of it If at first you don't succeed, Skydiving isn't for you - Me The world is run by the internet The internet is run by computers Nerds run those computers I'm one of those nerds

05-10-2002, 10:16 AM	#37
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	i have been up and running for 3 weeks now(with tygon tubing)and im starting to see the white film ya'll are talking about...sucks when u have clear tubing...im using straight tap water and a drop of bleach...but im tearing my system down in a few days to add a w/b to my vid card and to change to 1/2 x 3/4 tygon(i know have 1/2 x 5/8 to flimsy for me)...so if ya'll come across anything to stop it i sure would be glad to give it a whirl __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

05-10-2002, 01:46 PM	#40
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	i Knew that was coming... look i was in a hurry and it was my first time at water cooling i just wanted to see the thing boot up....i was putting mine together the day after i read about jim and his crushed CPU...so i didnt give a rats ass what it had in it at the time...lol __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

05-11-2002, 11:07 AM	#42
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	for your info (Jim & D.C) i got my WW coming and i broke down and bought a gallon of distilled water... __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

05-09-2002, 05:22 PM	#28
Jim Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 389	Digital I'm agreeing with you. Jim

05-09-2002, 10:45 PM	#32
p0b0y Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 97	it comes from you! i had the same problems when my dumb ass blew air through my tubing...

05-09-2002, 10:56 PM	#33
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	I get this white slim after about 3 weeks with any of my systems. The water will be fine untill it is circulated, then the white crap starts to build. I also think the extra few C of heat help it grow faster. I am certain it is growth of somekind. I never used a maze 2 and it happens regularly with my copper and AL blocks. I did run some water through a filter once and it helped, but still in time it happened. My next systems will run watter wetter or equvelent and I will see if it stops. I never worried about it before because my systems come apart every weekend, but who knows how much of this crap is stuck in the rads. Going to run windsheild washer fliud through the rads being it is only 84cents a gallon. Hell I may even use it for the coolant.

05-09-2002, 11:01 PM	#34
p0b0y Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Atlanta Posts: 97	My setup uses an z4(shut up ) and have changed the tubing/setup several times. Ive only gotten the white residue a few times, maybe 2 outta the 4 times ive done it. I use distilled water from the store. Ive gotten all the vinyl hoses from home depot. The only thing in common is the fact that ive blown through the hoses prior to install(to mess with my girl's cats). Methinks the water might be getting contaminated by oil on the hands or some biological means. Its just a theory......

05-10-2002, 11:16 AM	#38
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	#1 use distilled #2 use distilled #3 if you still aren't using distilled, use distilled #4 use redline

05-10-2002, 12:11 PM	#39
Jim Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 389	#5 use distilled! Digital - That funny. Why would anyone use tap water it's full of junk? Jim

05-12-2002, 12:15 AM	#44
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	its best to use distilled over tap... but redline is still much better down the road. i was doing some corrosion tests a while back... and they are still sitting there. as soon as i get a DigiCam again i will take pics (any day) anyway. the tests were copper and aluminum in a bunch of test cups... distilled water showed green oxidation forming after a while in the distilled water... the redline is still perfect =)

05-12-2002, 02:18 PM	#46
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	i used redline 4oz and 2 oz mixtures, purpleice 4oz and 2oz mixtures, distilled, and tap the 4oz to one gal is the recommended mix of both products

05-12-2002, 02:36 PM	#47
Jim Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 389	Thanks Digital The 4oz to gal is what I use, glad to know this is the correct mix. JIM

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