What rads cool water to 0*c ? - Page 2

ksw · 02-27-2002, 03:33 PM

what i would be impressed of, is: if THG ever would write somehting that is correct, that is not "INTEL THE GREATEST" or totaly uninterresting.
that would impress me.

decodeddiesel · 02-27-2002, 03:54 PM

"Depending on the external temperature, the enormous heat exchanger can cool the water to almost 0 degrees Celsius. This is how efficient cooling of AMD and Intel CPUs is made possible."

Tom, aka Jerry's Oldest Kid

What a moron.

ksw · 02-27-2002, 04:09 PM

oh no. he calls that enormus.... he gotta be kidding us.

This if freaking humungous :

DigitalChaos · 02-27-2002, 04:21 PM

ksw that is scarry... now knock it off before you make ppl cry =)

that from a semi or something? wow.. what it cost?

you use it ? how did it perform?

maybe its the BIX rev 2 they have been talking about.

hehe... looks like a hwlabs style though

ksw · 02-27-2002, 04:29 PM

it costed about 38$ and it is from an mercedes. bought it at an aout store... the guy who owns the stroe told me they sell like butter, and it was practicaly new. and just SO MUCH CHEAPER than an BIX or an Big momma.
other the same size costed about 29$ but they were used...

(btw, i only own one like it, not the one in the picture. i *stole* the pic from an website. but i got one that is exactly the same)

btw gnight ppl. im going to sleep now.. its late and i have school tomorrow. cya!

asd · 02-27-2002, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ksw
it costed about 38$ and it is from an mercedes. bought it at an aout store... the guy who owns the stroe told me they sell like butter, and it was practicaly new. and just SO MUCH CHEAPER than an BIX or an Big momma.
other the same size costed about 29$ but they were used...

(btw, i only own one like it, not the one in the picture. i *stole* the pic from an website. but i got one that is exactly the same)

btw gnight ppl. im going to sleep now.. its late and i have school tomorrow. cya!

Köpte du den på en skrot eller? <--- Swedish

ksw · 02-27-2002, 04:37 PM

nä. lokal bilhandlare för 400. den e te en mercedes. ny tom.

asd · 02-27-2002, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ksw
nä. lokal bilhandlare för 400. den e te en mercedes. ny tom.

Var bor du?

Brians256 · 02-27-2002, 05:12 PM

Sublimation is the conversion of a solid directly into a gas without a step where the substance is a liquid. Unless the water is in ice form, you won't get sublimation.

Hmmm... www.dictionary.com says it slightly differently:

sublimation

n 1: (chemistry) a change directly from the solid to the gaseous state without becoming liquid.

Of course, if you use THG's method and cool it with -45K air, you could probably sublimate the hot water of a closed loop system to destroy the heat from the CPU.

EMC2 · 02-27-2002, 06:40 PM

* sends a subliminal command to decoded to bang his head on the keyboard *

Quote:

cool it with -45K air

Umm, Brian, have you been getting into Tom's stash?

* would be really impressed by temps below absolute zero *

Brad · 02-27-2002, 06:59 PM

tom can get -45k by just putting 4x 80mm's on his super senfu radiator

#Rotor · 02-27-2002, 10:05 PM

Those infamous Senfu Radiators.... our Global warming problems are soon to be distant history....

slap a couple of those onto the wings of some jet liners, and in a week we will have an average 3c drop in global temps....

Brad · 02-27-2002, 11:22 PM

no, no, thats too much, we'd have another ice age

sloppycoder · 02-28-2002, 07:37 AM

but if you got to 0k you would be in a lot of trouble. your coolant would be a solid, even with kick arse antifreeze, and if you let it anywhere near your cpu it would stop working, just because the poor little electrons got to cold and gave up.

slop

ksw · 02-28-2002, 04:49 PM

asd: uppsala

Brians256 · 02-28-2002, 10:46 PM

EMC2, I was trying to put as many absurd things in there as possible. Just in case anyone thought I was serious....

1) You cannot go below 0K.
2) Air wouldn't be air at really temperatures even near that low, as it starts liquifying C02 at near -50C, nitrogen at near -190C, etc...
3) Water can't sublimate. Only ice can.
4) A closed loop system would not benefit from sublimation, because there is no air to sublimate it to (excluding the possibility of water-based phase change cooling).
5) YOU CANNOT DESTROY HEAT.
6) Why would I be referencing THG if I was serious?

Brad · 03-01-2002, 12:09 AM

I like the last one

phosphor · 03-01-2002, 12:24 AM

The Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer Guide strikes again.

How absurd...

EMC2 · 03-01-2002, 12:53 AM

Well darn, I thought you were trying to create something as dense as some of the mumblings at you know where

But no, didn't really think that last part of your post was serious, this thread just had my funny bone vibrating and I couldn't resist a follow up to Schoolie's

Quote:

if it could cool down to 0K, I'd be impressed

iceheart · 03-01-2002, 04:47 AM

Next I want to see negative pressure

gmat · 03-01-2002, 06:51 AM

Indeed 0K is not even possible naturally in our universe. The state of matter at 0K is Bose-Enstein condensate - that means not exactly *solid* (atoms are crunched together). Some scientists claim they've created a small amount of condensate during 0.001 nanosecond.
Now seriously some freaks in New Zealand did cool down a celeron with LN2. Unfortunatly i lost the links but they used direct die cooling and amazing amounts of insulating material, and reached awesome speeds before cracking the mobo due to thermal shock. In the mean time they set a record in temperature.
They also tested beer cooling, before they drink the coolant itself. Hehe.

ksw · 03-01-2002, 08:01 AM

thats an idea... is N<sub>2</sub> [L] an electical leader? or could i use it W/O danger for shorting all bridges on an athlon 1.2ghz?
(direct die cooling)
or would it evaporate around the core so it would burn?

gmat · 03-01-2002, 09:42 AM

No burning of the core. If you cool it down slowly you're OK.
Pure LN2 is not conductive indeed.
The problem is mobo traces will freeze quicker than the supporting epoxy, thus contracting then cracking.
A solution is total immersion of the motherboard as some crazy ppl did (not for long enough though

)
Another solution is to limit the temp shock, by using some heaters around the core, large amounts of foam, foam pipes to bring LN2 in, a special condenser or at least piping to get gaseous N2 back. You could heat the reverse side of the socket where the pins stick out. Then hello, cryo temps.
Ceramic cpus wont crack/burn. As for new XP's out there, i don't know.
For rich ppl there's also Helium. Expect 4K at phase change and superconductivity states - i wonder how silicon based gates behave in those conditions.

Brians256 · 03-01-2002, 10:06 AM

An electrical engineer at Intel told me that current gate designs don't work well below -120C (I think that was the temp) because of electron mobility problems. Semiconductors stop being good semiconductors below a certain temperature.

#Rotor · 03-01-2002, 04:36 PM

Sublimation is what just happened to you after Scotty uttered this word..... " oooops!!!!!"

02-27-2002, 03:33 PM	#26
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	what i would be impressed of, is: if THG ever would write somehting that is correct, that is not "INTEL THE GREATEST" or totaly uninterresting. that would impress me. __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

02-27-2002, 03:54 PM	#27
decodeddiesel Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: classified Posts: 534	"Depending on the external temperature, the enormous heat exchanger can cool the water to almost 0 degrees Celsius. This is how efficient cooling of AMD and Intel CPUs is made possible." Tom, aka Jerry's Oldest Kid What a moron. __________________ ...i hurt... do me a favor, disconect me... they can re-work me but i'll never be top of the line again ...i'd rather be nothing...

02-27-2002, 04:09 PM	#28
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	oh no. he calls that enormus.... he gotta be kidding us. This if freaking humungous : __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

02-27-2002, 04:29 PM	#30
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	it costed about 38$ and it is from an mercedes. bought it at an aout store... the guy who owns the stroe told me they sell like butter, and it was practicaly new. and just SO MUCH CHEAPER than an BIX or an Big momma. other the same size costed about 29$ but they were used... (btw, i only own one like it, not the one in the picture. i stole the pic from an website. but i got one that is exactly the same) btw gnight ppl. im going to sleep now.. its late and i have school tomorrow. cya! __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

02-27-2002, 04:37 PM	#32
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	nä. lokal bilhandlare för 400. den e te en mercedes. ny tom. __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

02-27-2002, 04:21 PM	#29
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	ksw that is scarry... now knock it off before you make ppl cry =) that from a semi or something? wow.. what it cost? you use it ? how did it perform? maybe its the BIX rev 2 they have been talking about. hehe... looks like a hwlabs style though

02-27-2002, 05:12 PM	#34
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Sublimation is the conversion of a solid directly into a gas without a step where the substance is a liquid. Unless the water is in ice form, you won't get sublimation. Hmmm... www.dictionary.com says it slightly differently: sublimation n 1: (chemistry) a change directly from the solid to the gaseous state without becoming liquid. Of course, if you use THG's method and cool it with -45K air, you could probably sublimate the hot water of a closed loop system to destroy the heat from the CPU.

02-27-2002, 06:59 PM	#36
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	tom can get -45k by just putting 4x 80mm's on his super senfu radiator __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-27-2002, 10:05 PM	#37
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	Those infamous Senfu Radiators.... our Global warming problems are soon to be distant history.... slap a couple of those onto the wings of some jet liners, and in a week we will have an average 3c drop in global temps....

02-27-2002, 11:22 PM	#38
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	no, no, thats too much, we'd have another ice age __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

02-28-2002, 07:37 AM	#39
sloppycoder Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 31	but if you got to 0k you would be in a lot of trouble. your coolant would be a solid, even with kick arse antifreeze, and if you let it anywhere near your cpu it would stop working, just because the poor little electrons got to cold and gave up. slop

02-28-2002, 04:49 PM	#40
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	asd: uppsala __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

02-28-2002, 10:46 PM	#41
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	EMC2, I was trying to put as many absurd things in there as possible. Just in case anyone thought I was serious.... 1) You cannot go below 0K. 2) Air wouldn't be air at really temperatures even near that low, as it starts liquifying C02 at near -50C, nitrogen at near -190C, etc... 3) Water can't sublimate. Only ice can. 4) A closed loop system would not benefit from sublimation, because there is no air to sublimate it to (excluding the possibility of water-based phase change cooling). 5) YOU CANNOT DESTROY HEAT. 6) Why would I be referencing THG if I was serious?

03-01-2002, 12:09 AM	#42
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I like the last one __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-01-2002, 12:24 AM	#43
phosphor Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: DC Posts: 17	The Pabst Blue Ribbon Beer Guide strikes again. How absurd...

03-01-2002, 04:47 AM	#45
iceheart Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Yonder Posts: 318	Next I want to see negative pressure

03-01-2002, 06:51 AM	#46
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Indeed 0K is not even possible naturally in our universe. The state of matter at 0K is Bose-Enstein condensate - that means not exactly solid (atoms are crunched together). Some scientists claim they've created a small amount of condensate during 0.001 nanosecond. Now seriously some freaks in New Zealand did cool down a celeron with LN2. Unfortunatly i lost the links but they used direct die cooling and amazing amounts of insulating material, and reached awesome speeds before cracking the mobo due to thermal shock. In the mean time they set a record in temperature. They also tested beer cooling, before they drink the coolant itself. Hehe.

03-01-2002, 08:01 AM	#47
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	thats an idea... is N<sub>2</sub> [L] an electical leader? or could i use it W/O danger for shorting all bridges on an athlon 1.2ghz? (direct die cooling) or would it evaporate around the core so it would burn? __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

03-01-2002, 09:42 AM	#48
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	No burning of the core. If you cool it down slowly you're OK. Pure LN2 is not conductive indeed. The problem is mobo traces will freeze quicker than the supporting epoxy, thus contracting then cracking. A solution is total immersion of the motherboard as some crazy ppl did (not for long enough though ) Another solution is to limit the temp shock, by using some heaters around the core, large amounts of foam, foam pipes to bring LN2 in, a special condenser or at least piping to get gaseous N2 back. You could heat the reverse side of the socket where the pins stick out. Then hello, cryo temps. Ceramic cpus wont crack/burn. As for new XP's out there, i don't know. For rich ppl there's also Helium. Expect 4K at phase change and superconductivity states - i wonder how silicon based gates behave in those conditions.

03-01-2002, 10:06 AM	#49
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	An electrical engineer at Intel told me that current gate designs don't work well below -120C (I think that was the temp) because of electron mobility problems. Semiconductors stop being good semiconductors below a certain temperature.

03-01-2002, 04:36 PM	#50
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	Sublimation is what just happened to you after Scotty uttered this word..... " oooops!!!!!"

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