Looks like the [H] is catching hell for another crappy review....

[pHaestus]

gogo:

Keep that up and Steve will be kicking your ass.

[gogo]

In all seriousness though...

I must have missed, or overlooked something...

I don't understand how

The 3DMark benchmark was changed from "17829" to "17329".

3Dmarks text isn't in times new Roman, or does that depend on the system default font settings?

or am I understanding this correctly.
maybe I need to pay more attention to software.


I still would actually like to meet Steve though for a beer or something.

<humor>Sniff, maybe if we did that he'd understand I was just giving him the same hard time I give everybody.</humor>

[N8]

Well I haven't had time to read or surf much of the news this week, so I haven't been keeping up with what is going on, but I could really care less about "The 3DMark benchmark was changed from "17829" to "17329". Like 500 3DMark points out of 17,000+ really means anything in the first place. Well, not to me anyway. Maybe it was a typo or misread when typing it into the document. Hell, I haven't had much in the way of sleep for a couple weeks now, and 8's and 3's almost look the same to me anyway.

I did read Ed's article over at OC'ers about how the 3.06 cpu will never be a good processor to buy, and I have pretty much tuned out all coverage after agreeing with his valid points. Does 500 3DMark points really mean anything? Someone clue me in.

As far as forum banning goes, it sucks, but if you think of it as your 'domain that you control and built', you can pretty much do whatever you want. If a bunch of people were getting on my nerves in my own house, I would kick them out too. Granted, they have a history of doing this to minimize exposure to their own mistakes or statements, but it has gotten to the point where they are calling even more attention to the issue by doing it.

I much prefer reading this forum than any other for the relatively consistant open-minded information sharing that goes on here. The [H] forum was really bad for a long time with all the newbies and bashing that was going on, but when they moved the general topics stuff to genmay.com, it got better. What I have found out though, is that whatever tech-related forum topics they have, are not nearly as informative or interesting as what goes on here.

[bigben2k]

Banned from [H] and proud of it!

I had to check out what all the huffing and puffing was about. Notice that there really isn't much meat in the review: most of it seems to be info fed from Intel. Note how they put down the availability of AMD Athlon's: is [H] going to turn into an anti-AMD site?

The problem I have with the corrected graph, is that it goes to the credibility of the whole article. If they replaced an "8" with a "3", was it because of a typo (since the graphs are hand-made) or was it an eyeball adjustment because they had benchmark issues that didn't provide realistic data? I don't know.

I really don't know if they got any kind of kickback for posting that review. If they did, then the credibility is again in question. Since they didn't state how they picked it up (but let's face it, they got an early release, as part of a major promotion effort) then there is at least that kickback. The Intel banner is definitely a kickback too, there's no doubt there.

As for the bannings, It's really simple: here in the US, the constitution grants us the freedom of speech. If [H] bans people for criticizing them, which they are perfectly within their rights to do, then they are not following the spirit of what our forefathers meant for us to live in. [H] is a dictatorship, and Steve/Kyle can best be compared to Castro in Cuba.

In that light, Cuba has been isolated from the rest of the world, and left to wither. Much the same will eventually happen to [H], and in fact may be happening right now, which would explain the desperate grabs at kickbacks. Money makes people act funny.

On a side note, I did get one piece of good info from the article: the heat emited from the 3.06 GHz P4 is 81.8 Watts, higher than any other CPU in history (if my memory is correct). Now why didn't they say anything about that?

[pHaestus]

eh? A forum is hosted on an individual's server, using their money for bandwidth. Free speech doesn't allow me to call my neighbor's wife a slut when I am over for dinner without getting kicked out. Autonomy of personal property is not the issue.

The problem as I see it is that the majority of people will just keep reading their front page and reregister with a different name after a while. That doesn't solve the problem.

Ban hardocp from your computer by using your hosts file. Block it out on your office's routers if you are in IT (people shouldn't be reading that at work anyway). When people link HOCP in a forum, explain that you dont read that site because they are either sloppy reviewers or outright liars. That is where your first amendment rights come in. Steve can ban anyone he wants at HIS forum, but here I can call him a musclebound mental midget with absolutely no repurcussions. It's a two way street, you see.

[Blackeagle]

pHaestus,

VERY well stated.

And if this good advice is followed in numerous other sites then [H] is doomed by their own foul practices.

[Can O' Beans]

Heh, everywhere I look, I see the [H] conspiracy

The front page was good for linkage, and the forums held small bits of decent information, but the amount of BS there was way to high, so I abandoned that place long ago.

[murray13]

I've never had too much respect for [H]! Their conclusions and analysis on many things just differs from mine by more than what I can consider just a difference of opinion

I don't know how many times I've had to correct someone who's quoting [H] about some new review about something or other and they thought that since they saw it at [H] it was gospel.

But I don't think it's a conspiracy. It's just some people (K,S) who either really don't know that much or just don't care. As long as they are bringing in the money they just don't care about content or quality.

I was not suprised at all when I started reading about this whole thing...

The ones that really suffer are the people who are not as knowledgeable and are making decisions and forming opinions based on what they read at [H]. Skewed info in...

[MadDogMe]

The 3DMark benchmark was changed from "17829" to "17329". Like 500 3DMark points out of 17,000+ really means anything in the first place. Well, not to me anyway. Maybe it was a typo or misread when typing it into the document.

It was a picture/graphic shot taken of the result, not a written statement, it's pretty hard to change the Number on a picture by accident, unless you're well~[H]andicapped (no offense to handicapped people).

I got banned as well, for trying to point out how childish and paranoid it is to blame all negative responses to poor articles and outright lies on groups of malcontents affiliated to other sites who have 'an axe to grind'.
Also I pointed out that 'Cutting off your Nose to spite your Face' usualy results in a 'loss of face' [snigger] ...

Seriosley though!, what a bunch of [w]ankers, they should of stuck with the 'Gay Men', er?, Gen May' bonegroupers , 'where being a wanker is a way of life!!'...

[BillA]

Originally posted by MadDogMe
. . . .
'where being a wanker is a way of life!!'...

nice turn of phrase

[utabintarbo]

Originally posted by MadDogMe
'where being a wanker is a way of life!!'...

I thought it was a "lifestyle choice".

[fuzz]

Originally posted by [PC]DaBrain
ex[H]er here..... Never spent too much time in the forums, but I read the news first thing every morning....still might. I am highly irritated that they would do something like this especially after the whole "Reseller Ratings Elite" thing kicked in....what a bunch of greedy pieces of shit.

if you knew anything, you'd know that the reseller rating elite program was set up to protect buyers from bad/crooked stores. he didn't get a cent from anybody.

personally, i think steve messed up doing the review, forgot to unovervlock some item in his pc, then when he realized it he went and changed the review and hoped that no one would catch his mistake. steve of course told kyle that he was innocent and all this, and all hell breaks loose.

people will do anything to avoid admitting that they messed up. and here steve messed up, and refuses to admite it, so a ton of lies are thrown about and all this ahppens.

but as it stands, neither you not i know exactly what happened.

fuzz

[Administrator]

only one thing is certain.... Steve has teh muscles adn he will ownz you.

[mfpmax]

Haha

[MadDogMe]

but as it stands, neither you not i know exactly what happened

Wrong we know exactly what happened, we don't know why [h] chose to edit a picture, or to show a product (what was that big banner ad again?) performing ahead of it's capabilities. was the 'revised' pic a true score?, hell no!, it's the only digit he could change!! , so even the 'ammendment' was bullshit!...

From what I've read HyperThreading would give about '500' 3DMarks more...
But then again this was the 'new~improved' [h]ype threading was'nt it?...

[pHaestus]

I dont think the benchmark itself is the issue. They used difft mobos, and they obviously o/ced the video card more with the 3.06 than in earlier CPUs. That could either be intentional or accidental. I don't go to their site, so I haven't dug through the old reviews to see if maybe Kyle did some of them and Steve did others.

The issue to me is that they banned many users for pointing out the changed image. Called them liars and photo doctorers (when in fact THEY were doing this). Banned and continue to ban anyone that even asks questions. Now they contend that this was a little forum squabble by people who were jealous of H|OCP and trying to gain members to their forums.

This is nothing new guys. They did the same sort of mass banning with the Trollhunters and Heatware (ya H|OCP cares so much about their community that they banned the people who track down bad traders), with Procooling several times, and now with all of the extreme Intel overclockers. Finally a few larger sites are starting to notice.

I think that JCViggen and the Xtremesystems guys have really acted in a professional and mature manner over this, and I have a lot of respect for those guys. Also kudos to overclockers.com and now to inquirer.net for reporting this behavior.

[bigben2k]

Well, this fiasco made it as a news item at The Inquirer:

Click me!

Way to go [H], you're now infamous halfway around the world.

[jtroutma]

"Website adopts Stalinist approach to history......"

I have one thing to say about this....................OUCH!!!!!!

[Joe]

whats funny is Kyle and Mike Magee used to be sort of friends... But I doubt they were close since no one can get near kyle with an ego that big

[gogo]

an ego with it's own gravitational pull?
It would explain the forum space flotsam.

the poor space faring intelligent peoples still trying to manuver there way around all the crap. Whilst planet Kyle's volcanic eruptions...

rummble, rummble, rummble...

BAND!


"my God, it's full of stars"