why is there so many !diots.. - Page 2

Can O' Beans · 12-01-2002, 11:01 PM

Those RAM blocks might help him get a slightly higher OC out of the RAM if he's already at their limits, but I don't think by much.

As for the pump-rad-block, in theory it should work, but in some cases, it might work better the other way in a few select systems, but since there are so many different systems, there are so many variables to consider.

I'm still considering what configuration I want my system to be. I started with the pump-HC-block, but with not a lot of room, I might just go with pump-block-HC. I have a Danner Mag Drive 500gph and it doesn't really get that warm.

g.l.amour · 12-02-2002, 02:26 AM

i have to stand behind redleader on this one. u r right on this redleader.

this is the problem. from the moment u have a little bit of flow; the tools we use measuring the temps will be largely inadequate to measure the difference between one coolant loop and another. u will have more luck improving your temps be reseating your block a couple of times.

spinky · 12-02-2002, 07:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by airspirit
Um, why do you come here as a n00b and start flaming everyone in topic subjects? Why do you assume that because you read something in an article that it is the truth? Why don't you traipse your browser over to [H] if that is the attitude you want to take.

You need to try it both ways in your machine before judging which is best. I've found the best results by having my block after the pump, and they've always been rather significant gains. Some people have found the opposite. This depends on the system, so if you don't have anything to back up what you're flaming everyone over besides articles that may or may not have the accuracy of a WB shootout!!! at [H], then back your truck up before you get shat upon.

and the point of your post apart from dissing the [H]? which i couldn't care less?

i'm here to clarify something, not to diss. as per my understanding, which is stated in my original post, the pump dumps heat into the water, and the most effective way would be pump > rad > block, since the coolest water (after the rad) would go to the block, yet again, common sense. whether the gain is significant or not, i do not know, which is why i'm asking here.

did i flame? nope. i simply pointed out a question. your the one flaming. so why don't you go to the [H] and throw your flamethrower around.

i have yet to setup my system, and i would like to know the optimal setting or opinions. and if your not here to help, but here to drop flamebaits, kindly get lost from my thread

and finally, postcound and rank doesn't mean shit. you can spam all you want and be GOD even, it doesn't really matter.

airspirit · 12-02-2002, 10:44 AM

"Why is there so many !diots.."

Then, after that kind of topic, going on to insist that because you saw a couple of articles saying something was true, it must be true. As for the [H] bashing, all I was saying is that the tenor of the post was very similar to the few topics I bothered to read over at that cesspool.

Let me clarify something for you. When I first started watercooling, I believed much as you seem to that certain things should be beneficial just because they seem to make sense, such as putting the radiator before the block. I'm pointing out that in many cases, contrary to logic, this is not the case. You absolutely can not plan a system from the ground up and expect maximum performance from the first run. It takes a bit of tweaking and adjusting and rearranging to get the most out of your gear. Maybe you'll get the best results for YOUR system if you put the rad before the block. Maybe not. All I was trying to give was the conventional wisdom that there is no way of guessing how your system is going to do until you fiddle with it. Once you have some data for us to toy with, then we can help you fine tune it, and I promise there will be a long line of people wanting to give their $0.02.

On another note, I don't know what your fascination with post counts is due to, but it has never been something I have much bothered to pay attention to, except in the rare instance I come across a topic from someone with a very low one that starts out with an antagonistic tenor from the very beginning. I get better results from having my pump before my water block(s), so does that make me an !diot..? That's what I was trying to point out. There are alot of people here that'll bend over backwards for somebody that wants to learn, but they might not take a liking to being called !diots.

MadDogMe · 12-02-2002, 11:20 AM

Quote:

I don't know what your fascination with post counts is due to,

a~s I think it was probably the 'coming here as a noob' jibe

...

It came as a shock to me when I had a few of my supositions shotdown

, things like parallel rads always being better because the water has longer in them to cooldown, Alu cases being better for cooling(I actualy beleived that!) and others I can't think of at the moment, I was lucky enough not to have gone balls out trying to defend something that seems logical enough on first count (and second, even third

), you did, what's the problem?, none as long as you learn from past mistaykes eh?...

PS,I know learning from past misteh?kes works, I tried it again and again to prove it!!

...

spinky · 12-02-2002, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by airspirit
"Why is there so many !diots.."

thats called attracting attention.
my other thread, regarding my setup..nobody helps out much cept maddogme..bet nobody even bothers to click on it.

and in the first post, i said i might be wrong, so in other words i might be the !diot, so prove it to me. thats the whole point of THIS thread, or did you not read the first post, and missed the whole point? and me being the !diot, and you guys proving it to me, i'll learn, so i won't be that big of an !diot.

i didn't read any article regarding pump > rad > block
the 2 links i gave was pump > block > rad
and im asking WHY ?
i thought it should be pump > rad > block, which made the most sense.

airspirit · 12-02-2002, 01:03 PM

Without going into extreme theory that may be nothing more than justification after the fact, there is no way to justify either position authoritatively. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. There is no logic to this question, and the correct answer differs from setup to setup. For someone to say that one way will always be best in this situation would be absolutely incorrect. You really need to just test your setup both ways and see what works out best for you. We can beat our heads against the wall for months on this one, but we'll never be able to come up with an answer because in reality, there isn't one.

HMB · 12-03-2002, 09:05 AM

Wit a standard watercooling setup e.g eheim 1048, bix and maze3 the watertemp after the rad is at MOST 0,1 degrees celsius higher. And that was exagerated so it doesnt matter in what order you place your wc-gear.

Cygnus_x_1 · 12-04-2002, 12:25 AM

whats up guys, long time lurker, finally got around to registering an the king of cooling sites

......FWIW, im the author of the OCA article...i researched my cooling setup for a while before diving into it, and this was already my third incarnation of H2O in my system. I did try the pump>rad>block, and pump>block>rad, and found in my situation the latter worked better. Should I have put in in the review? in hindsight yes, but I always try to state in my reviews that this is data compiled using my setup, and YMMV. that being said when you read a review on ANY site, don't take it as the gospel. its one users testing methodology that is almost impossible to replicate. basically what im tryin to say is, gather as much info as you can, then go at it...you'll most defintley have to alter things to fit into your case, and thats the fun of what we do...

well enough babbling from me...take care, and i expect to become a regular visitor here...(looking into TEC's, then phase change eventually!)

oh yeah, spinky, i want an apology...

j/k

Seyeklopz · 07-09-2003, 02:29 PM

I think mounting the pump nearer to the block would make a difference. I doubt it's turbulance. The pulsating pressure from the pump might be having an effect on the turbulance inherent to a waterblock. The farther the pump is from the block, the more equalized the pressure waves become by the flexible water hoses.

Jusy my layman's 2 cents :P

12-02-2002, 02:26 AM	#27
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	i have to stand behind redleader on this one. u r right on this redleader. this is the problem. from the moment u have a little bit of flow; the tools we use measuring the temps will be largely inadequate to measure the difference between one coolant loop and another. u will have more luck improving your temps be reseating your block a couple of times. __________________ yo soy un tiburón

12-02-2002, 10:44 AM	#29
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	"Why is there so many !diots.." Then, after that kind of topic, going on to insist that because you saw a couple of articles saying something was true, it must be true. As for the [H] bashing, all I was saying is that the tenor of the post was very similar to the few topics I bothered to read over at that cesspool. Let me clarify something for you. When I first started watercooling, I believed much as you seem to that certain things should be beneficial just because they seem to make sense, such as putting the radiator before the block. I'm pointing out that in many cases, contrary to logic, this is not the case. You absolutely can not plan a system from the ground up and expect maximum performance from the first run. It takes a bit of tweaking and adjusting and rearranging to get the most out of your gear. Maybe you'll get the best results for YOUR system if you put the rad before the block. Maybe not. All I was trying to give was the conventional wisdom that there is no way of guessing how your system is going to do until you fiddle with it. Once you have some data for us to toy with, then we can help you fine tune it, and I promise there will be a long line of people wanting to give their $0.02. On another note, I don't know what your fascination with post counts is due to, but it has never been something I have much bothered to pay attention to, except in the rare instance I come across a topic from someone with a very low one that starts out with an antagonistic tenor from the very beginning. I get better results from having my pump before my water block(s), so does that make me an !diot..? That's what I was trying to point out. There are alot of people here that'll bend over backwards for somebody that wants to learn, but they might not take a liking to being called !diots. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

12-02-2002, 01:03 PM	#32
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Without going into extreme theory that may be nothing more than justification after the fact, there is no way to justify either position authoritatively. I guess that's what I'm trying to say. There is no logic to this question, and the correct answer differs from setup to setup. For someone to say that one way will always be best in this situation would be absolutely incorrect. You really need to just test your setup both ways and see what works out best for you. We can beat our heads against the wall for months on this one, but we'll never be able to come up with an answer because in reality, there isn't one. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

12-03-2002, 09:05 AM	#33
HMB Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 63	Wit a standard watercooling setup e.g eheim 1048, bix and maze3 the watertemp after the rad is at MOST 0,1 degrees celsius higher. And that was exagerated so it doesnt matter in what order you place your wc-gear. __________________ Asus A7N8X Deluxe, 2500+@2700MHz (13,5x200), 2x256MB TwinMOS pc3200 @ 2-2-2-11, GFFX 5900 Ultra@500/950MHz, 2x120GB Maxtor Diamondmax 9 8MB SATA raid-0, Prometeia, Logitech z-680. 20000+ 3Dmark2001 Duron 600@1521MHz RIP

12-04-2002, 12:25 AM	#34
Cygnus_x_1 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 1	whats up guys, long time lurker, finally got around to registering an the king of cooling sites......FWIW, im the author of the OCA article...i researched my cooling setup for a while before diving into it, and this was already my third incarnation of H2O in my system. I did try the pump>rad>block, and pump>block>rad, and found in my situation the latter worked better. Should I have put in in the review? in hindsight yes, but I always try to state in my reviews that this is data compiled using my setup, and YMMV. that being said when you read a review on ANY site, don't take it as the gospel. its one users testing methodology that is almost impossible to replicate. basically what im tryin to say is, gather as much info as you can, then go at it...you'll most defintley have to alter things to fit into your case, and thats the fun of what we do... well enough babbling from me...take care, and i expect to become a regular visitor here...(looking into TEC's, then phase change eventually!) oh yeah, spinky, i want an apology... j/k

12-01-2002, 11:01 PM	#26
Can O' Beans Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Pa - USA Posts: 264	Those RAM blocks might help him get a slightly higher OC out of the RAM if he's already at their limits, but I don't think by much. As for the pump-rad-block, in theory it should work, but in some cases, it might work better the other way in a few select systems, but since there are so many different systems, there are so many variables to consider. I'm still considering what configuration I want my system to be. I started with the pump-HC-block, but with not a lot of room, I might just go with pump-block-HC. I have a Danner Mag Drive 500gph and it doesn't really get that warm.

07-09-2003, 02:29 PM	#35
Seyeklopz Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Saint John, New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 94	I think mounting the pump nearer to the block would make a difference. I doubt it's turbulance. The pulsating pressure from the pump might be having an effect on the turbulance inherent to a waterblock. The farther the pump is from the block, the more equalized the pressure waves become by the flexible water hoses. Jusy my layman's 2 cents :P

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