Water-X CPU Water Cooler - Page 2

airspirit · 02-11-2003, 06:12 PM

This thing is junk. There is a review link earlier in this topic. Babelfish it. You won't need to on the chart, though, where it shows up at the bottom of the barrel, performance-wise.

joemac · 02-11-2003, 06:19 PM

I am sorry what I meant was a review in English.

bigben2k · 02-27-2003, 01:59 PM

It looks even worse: click me

In short, the thing doesn't handle the high heat very well, and has burst open on this one user. 1CoolPC is taking it back, after too many negative feedback.

jaydee · 02-27-2003, 02:37 PM

Hummm, most of us new it would suck. Lets get the "anti jump on the bashing bandwagon" people here and see what they think now.

I am pretty disapointed anyone would buy this. Obviously these people eaither don't read these and other forums and absorb what is being discussed, or they are just ignorant with little common sence. Well for example the one that had the failure has almost 500 posts there. Not learn anything while you were spaming the boards?

Pretty basic why it doesn't work. Where the hell is the heat supposed to be dispersed? That tiny ass miniture thing they call a rad at the top? If that was the case we all would be using miniture rads in our water cooling stuff. Also extreamly slow water pumps.

I guess people see this thing and thinks the hundreds of us on these forums are just full of it with are "real" water cooling systems....

TerraMex · 02-27-2003, 03:40 PM

Of course it sucks... but :

- The average consumer doesnt know jack about what's good and whats not for cooling.
- The average consumer doesnt read or is interested in complicated stuff . (We're the minority)
- It looks good. It looks like a good ideia.
- Its cheap. For what it announces.
- Its supposed to be a fool proof WC compact system.

Anyone that knows what a cpu , a cooler , and a socket is and has a webbrowser is a potential buyer

. So someone will buy. And then there are the ones that buy just to test the possibility that it can actually work.

jaydee · 02-27-2003, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TerraMex
Of course it sucks... but :

- The average consumer doesnt know jack about what's good and whats not for cooling.
- The average consumer doesnt read or is interested in complicated stuff . (We're the minority)
- It looks good. It looks like a good ideia.
- Its cheap. For what it announces.
- Its supposed to be a fool proof WC compact system.

Anyone that knows what a cpu , a cooler , and a socket is and has a webbrowser is a potential buyer . So someone will buy. And then there are the ones that buy just to test the possibility that it can actually work.

One would think the "average consumers" is not to worried about cooling, let alone water cooling eh? But true enough. People for some reason buys into whatever a company says. One would think at this point in time people would be doing more research in what they buy with all the fraud going around. But people that are senior members of tech forums are buying this shit. I don't know, whatever. :shrug:

bigben2k · 02-28-2003, 02:37 PM

Here's a hint at how poor it is; the reseller just put up a MOD!

Didn't the pump need the old fan?!?

Water-X mod

jaydee · 02-28-2003, 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
[b]

Didn't the pump need the old fan?!?

Do you mean for cooling the pump so it will not fry after a while? Not sure....

But why spend as much on a 120mm adapter and 120mm fan ONTOP of the $50-$60 already wasted on such a POS, and just get a $15 HSF that will be just as quite and perform better than using the stock fan either as it comes or with putting it on top? Much better MOD IMO.

bigben2k · 02-28-2003, 03:33 PM

No, I meant, I thought that the pump was magnetically driven by the fan, or something weird like that. Dunno. It's a diaphragm pump, but I don't see any wiring for it.

jaydee · 02-28-2003, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
No, I meant, I thought that the pump was magnetically driven by the fan, or something weird like that. Dunno. It's a diaphragm pump, but I don't see any wiring for it.

Theres wires: http://www.1coolpc.com/waterxmod7.htm

TerraMex · 02-28-2003, 04:29 PM

Someone at OC-Forums did that, the temps didnt change and neither did the "suckness level" of the product

.

Cant seem to find the correct link. Oh well.

bigben2k · 03-03-2003, 08:52 AM

I think I posted that link...

Anyways, Dan from Dansdata got his hands on an awfully similar looking device, called an Aguatec. Click me!

His conclusions were the same: "Here, it would appear, is another product that looks great but doesn't work.".

"As it stands, this thing's a white elephant. Don't buy one, and question the motives of anyone who gives you one as a gift."

TerraMex · 03-03-2003, 12:46 PM

I disagree. I bet it gives a great paper weight, a nice match with one of those "dud" IBM drives .

gmat · 03-03-2003, 01:27 PM

Haha Dan has such good expressions to describe a total POS

jaydee · 03-03-2003, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TerraMex
I disagree. I bet it gives a great paper weight

Not so sure, it might leak....

8-Ball · 03-04-2003, 05:09 AM

Tigermain has posted a review of this over at moddin.net. One of the best things about this review, besides further proving it is a POS, he has taken time to pull it apart, including the pump assembly. Plenty of pics.

It appears the one he had was using a 60mm fan with the fins "cut off" to power the pump, essentially a mag drive pump.

It appears that the water is sucked up from the cooling chamber into the center of the impeller and expelled out of a side exit. So no cold water straight on to the die.

Anyway, here is the link.

http://www.moddin.net/review.asp?ReviewID=96&PageNo=0

8-ball

bigben2k · 03-05-2003, 08:37 AM

I think this thread is being linked all over the world!

Let's see what could be done to it to make it work, shall we?

#1: use a better pump. This thing is so weak , I'm surprised it move any water at all.

#2: reverse flow direction. Center inlet might improve things a bit, because of the low flow, otherwise, if the flow can get up there, it wouldn't matter.

#3: Increase the rad capacity/performance. There is a provision for a second set of tubes to go through the fins. I think what happened is that the manufacture realized (sometime during production) that the rad was lousy, so he adapted by using a double length copper fin (probably pre-cut parts). Now let him swap the whole thing out with a heatercore-like structure. JessFM could probably hook him up.

#4: use a better fan. I've said it a million times if I've said it once: airflow is critical, especially in this design.

#5: redo the base. It could have a copper cap, with an anodized aluminium body. It'll be more expensive though, but since the manufacture already uses copper, then it won't be too difficult. It'll look prettier too!

#6: the o-ring to the side tanks worry me, a lot. They're not properly used.

#7: the rivet fill point is a no-no.

Optional:

I'd consider ducting this block through a case fan, for much improved airflow, instead of weighing it down further with a massive fan.

I'd consider adding a provision to run an external pump. If it was possible to hook it up to even an Eheim 1046, it would fare so much better.

gmat · 03-05-2003, 10:30 AM

yeah in short:
- provide a better waterblock
- a true pump
- extend the tubes so they can get to a true rad
- put a heatercore

(what ? do someone really thinks one can bypass the laws of physics ? tsss)

Other solution:
- ditch the pump, tubing and water
- cold forge bigger copper fins onto the copper base
- sell it with a 80mm fan and call it "revolutionary, new level cooling: no water needed !!! X-Cooler-Ultra-Plus-Ultimate II"

bigben2k · 03-18-2003, 04:24 PM

Someone finally reviewed it!

Joe Citarella (OC) reviews it here

In short: "Not for serious cooling".

Also includes:

Quote:

TEST RESULTS - Motherboard

I skipped this - no way I'm putting this on a hot CPU.

and

Quote:

The Gyrox CP101 CPU Cooler is one of the worst I have ever tested. It can make a great conversation piece for a geek's coffee table or a paper weight.

Paper weight, Xmas tree ornament, potato, potatoe...

Quote:

Die Simulator results place the Gyrox in the lowest rank of watercooling solutions tested to date (Heatsink Ranking). I have no idea how Gyrox tested this heatsink to get a C/W of 0.18.

pHaestus · 03-18-2003, 04:35 PM

heh Ben I was coming here to post that exact link. We must have read o/cers at the same time today

jtroutma · 03-18-2003, 04:38 PM

Make that "three of us".....

airspirit · 03-18-2003, 05:39 PM

Woo hoo! It looks like someone finally had the balls to beat this thing with the shit stick like it deserves.

Sometimes I wonder why these manufacturers don't come to tech forums to get advice before they dump this crap on the market ... or just hire some of the more knowledgable of us for product development in the first place. Nearly any one of us could have told them how stupid their concept was ....

winewood · 03-18-2003, 07:18 PM

LOL!!! now that was some great testing.

Arcturius · 03-18-2003, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaydee116
Theres wires: http://www.1coolpc.com/waterxmod7.htm

And it's a plain centrifugal (sp?) pump, too.

real.genius · 03-23-2003, 06:10 PM

I have a water-x cpu cooler which I purchased at 1coolpc and have found the following results. I am running a xp2100 chip which is one of AMDs hottest running chips. I have an asus mb. a A7V8X kt400 chip set with ddr400 and an 8xagp card. My ambient room temp remains quite high so I decided to test out the water-x cpu cooler to see if it could handle higher temps better than a air cooler. With the stock fan I had higher cpu temps so I modified the water-x like it shows at 1coolpc , here is some typical data I got using a tornado 84 cfm cooling fan;

cpu at 5% load and warmed up
60c cpu temp./37c mb temp./28c air temp.

100% continuous cpu load
64c cpu temp/39c mb temp/28c air temp

I think the data speaks for itself. It liked to run in the 60s c range but it did run fairly stable. I would like to see more water pump through put with the fan remaining on top and bigger cap radiator to match pump greater flow.

02-11-2003, 06:12 PM	#26
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	This thing is junk. There is a review link earlier in this topic. Babelfish it. You won't need to on the chart, though, where it shows up at the bottom of the barrel, performance-wise. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

02-27-2003, 01:59 PM	#28
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	It looks even worse: click me In short, the thing doesn't handle the high heat very well, and has burst open on this one user. 1CoolPC is taking it back, after too many negative feedback. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

02-27-2003, 03:40 PM	#30
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	Of course it sucks... but : - The average consumer doesnt know jack about what's good and whats not for cooling. - The average consumer doesnt read or is interested in complicated stuff . (We're the minority) - It looks good. It looks like a good ideia. - Its cheap. For what it announces. - Its supposed to be a fool proof WC compact system. Anyone that knows what a cpu , a cooler , and a socket is and has a webbrowser is a potential buyer . So someone will buy. And then there are the ones that buy just to test the possibility that it can actually work. __________________ "we need more cowbell."

02-28-2003, 02:37 PM	#32
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Here's a hint at how poor it is; the reseller just put up a MOD! Didn't the pump need the old fan?!? Water-X mod __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

02-28-2003, 03:33 PM	#34
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	No, I meant, I thought that the pump was magnetically driven by the fan, or something weird like that. Dunno. It's a diaphragm pump, but I don't see any wiring for it. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

02-11-2003, 06:19 PM	#27
joemac Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Dallas Posts: 339	I am sorry what I meant was a review in English.

02-27-2003, 02:37 PM	#29
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Hummm, most of us new it would suck. Lets get the "anti jump on the bashing bandwagon" people here and see what they think now. I am pretty disapointed anyone would buy this. Obviously these people eaither don't read these and other forums and absorb what is being discussed, or they are just ignorant with little common sence. Well for example the one that had the failure has almost 500 posts there. Not learn anything while you were spaming the boards? Pretty basic why it doesn't work. Where the hell is the heat supposed to be dispersed? That tiny ass miniture thing they call a rad at the top? If that was the case we all would be using miniture rads in our water cooling stuff. Also extreamly slow water pumps. I guess people see this thing and thinks the hundreds of us on these forums are just full of it with are "real" water cooling systems....

02-28-2003, 04:29 PM	#36
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	Someone at OC-Forums did that, the temps didnt change and neither did the "suckness level" of the product . Cant seem to find the correct link. Oh well. __________________ "we need more cowbell."

03-03-2003, 08:52 AM	#37
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I think I posted that link... Anyways, Dan from Dansdata got his hands on an awfully similar looking device, called an Aguatec. Click me! His conclusions were the same: "Here, it would appear, is another product that looks great but doesn't work.". "As it stands, this thing's a white elephant. Don't buy one, and question the motives of anyone who gives you one as a gift." __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

03-03-2003, 12:46 PM	#38
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	I disagree. I bet it gives a great paper weight, a nice match with one of those "dud" IBM drives . __________________ "we need more cowbell."

03-03-2003, 01:27 PM	#39
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Haha Dan has such good expressions to describe a total POS

03-04-2003, 05:09 AM	#41
8-Ball Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Oxford University, UK Posts: 452	Tigermain has posted a review of this over at moddin.net. One of the best things about this review, besides further proving it is a POS, he has taken time to pull it apart, including the pump assembly. Plenty of pics. It appears the one he had was using a 60mm fan with the fins "cut off" to power the pump, essentially a mag drive pump. It appears that the water is sucked up from the cooling chamber into the center of the impeller and expelled out of a side exit. So no cold water straight on to the die. Anyway, here is the link. http://www.moddin.net/review.asp?ReviewID=96&PageNo=0 8-ball

03-05-2003, 08:37 AM	#42
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I think this thread is being linked all over the world! Let's see what could be done to it to make it work, shall we? #1: use a better pump. This thing is so weak , I'm surprised it move any water at all. #2: reverse flow direction. Center inlet might improve things a bit, because of the low flow, otherwise, if the flow can get up there, it wouldn't matter. #3: Increase the rad capacity/performance. There is a provision for a second set of tubes to go through the fins. I think what happened is that the manufacture realized (sometime during production) that the rad was lousy, so he adapted by using a double length copper fin (probably pre-cut parts). Now let him swap the whole thing out with a heatercore-like structure. JessFM could probably hook him up. #4: use a better fan. I've said it a million times if I've said it once: airflow is critical, especially in this design. #5: redo the base. It could have a copper cap, with an anodized aluminium body. It'll be more expensive though, but since the manufacture already uses copper, then it won't be too difficult. It'll look prettier too! #6: the o-ring to the side tanks worry me, a lot. They're not properly used. #7: the rivet fill point is a no-no. Optional: I'd consider ducting this block through a case fan, for much improved airflow, instead of weighing it down further with a massive fan. I'd consider adding a provision to run an external pump. If it was possible to hook it up to even an Eheim 1046, it would fare so much better. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

03-05-2003, 10:30 AM	#43
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	yeah in short: - provide a better waterblock - a true pump - extend the tubes so they can get to a true rad - put a heatercore (what ? do someone really thinks one can bypass the laws of physics ? tsss) Other solution: - ditch the pump, tubing and water - cold forge bigger copper fins onto the copper base - sell it with a 80mm fan and call it "revolutionary, new level cooling: no water needed !!! X-Cooler-Ultra-Plus-Ultimate II"

03-18-2003, 04:35 PM	#45
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	heh Ben I was coming here to post that exact link. We must have read o/cers at the same time today

03-18-2003, 04:38 PM	#46
jtroutma Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: SLO, CA Posts: 837	Make that "three of us"..... __________________ Athlon64 X2 4200+ @ 2.5Ghz (250FSB x 10) OCZ VX 1GB 4000 @ 250FSB (6-2-2-2 timmings) DFI LANParty nForce4 Ultra-D SCSI Raid 5 x (3) Cheetah 15K HDDs LSI Express 500 (128MB cache) OCZ PowerStream 520W PSU ATI X850XT PE (Stock) DTEK WhiteWater + DTEK Custom Radiator Eheim 1250

03-18-2003, 05:39 PM	#47
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Woo hoo! It looks like someone finally had the balls to beat this thing with the shit stick like it deserves. Sometimes I wonder why these manufacturers don't come to tech forums to get advice before they dump this crap on the market ... or just hire some of the more knowledgable of us for product development in the first place. Nearly any one of us could have told them how stupid their concept was .... __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

03-18-2003, 07:18 PM	#48
winewood Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: in my chair Posts: 574	LOL!!! now that was some great testing. __________________ -winewood-

03-23-2003, 06:10 PM	#50
real.genius Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Wisconsin Dells Posts: 1	water-x cpu cooler run data I have a water-x cpu cooler which I purchased at 1coolpc and have found the following results. I am running a xp2100 chip which is one of AMDs hottest running chips. I have an asus mb. a A7V8X kt400 chip set with ddr400 and an 8xagp card. My ambient room temp remains quite high so I decided to test out the water-x cpu cooler to see if it could handle higher temps better than a air cooler. With the stock fan I had higher cpu temps so I modified the water-x like it shows at 1coolpc , here is some typical data I got using a tornado 84 cfm cooling fan; cpu at 5% load and warmed up 60c cpu temp./37c mb temp./28c air temp. 100% continuous cpu load 64c cpu temp/39c mb temp/28c air temp I think the data speaks for itself. It liked to run in the 60s c range but it did run fairly stable. I would like to see more water pump through put with the fan remaining on top and bigger cap radiator to match pump greater flow.

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