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LiquidCool · 09-03-2001, 07:34 PM

Do you really have that PPro to 266? I bought 2 200mhz PPros with 1mb cache but then couldnt see spending so much on a mobo and DIMMs when I could get a xeon mobo with SDRAM for cheaper!

Always thought it would make a cool "retro" box, just because the processors are so massive!

ItsSoLARGE · 09-03-2001, 08:49 PM

dammit... I'm 16 too... well in december at least and heh.. well.. ask Joe and Cryo and I dont think Mortin from icrontic does.
Anyways go to pro/chat its fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun

baymo · 09-03-2001, 09:58 PM

Damn that system licks a fat cock.

They are complete f u c k i n morons. Hell im 15 and built my water cooler 4 bajillion times better then that POS. They need some SERIOUS help on how to cool down things......

LiquidCool · 09-03-2001, 11:42 PM

You get rid of that DD cube yet?

mfpmax · 09-04-2001, 04:25 PM

Wow, someone brought this one WAY from out of the grave

Joe · 09-04-2001, 04:37 PM

a lil icrontic bashing is healthy

xy · 09-04-2001, 06:19 PM

wow! I never knew that running a PC150 ram at 112MHz would be stable

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I found I was able to gradually increase the FSB to 112 MHz, with the machine finally hanging during the 3DMark2000 test when the FSB was set at 113MHz. At 112MHz, the memory bus is running at 149MHz. Not only was the Corsair 150MHz 100% stable at this frequency

look at there full review here

jastrckl · 09-05-2001, 12:29 PM

Joe, quite frankly, you're a goon. Admittedly this guy has some problems, but you had a few brain farts criticizing him. #1 epoxying a block is pretty ghetto. But soldering one has it's own limitations... differences in the coefficients of expansion can cause stresses that can crack the bond, possibility (although remote) of galvanic corrosion, etc. #2 (the BIG one) HSF on the block which you claim tries to absorb heat from the ambient surroundings... this is preposterous. You're cooling that water with AMBIENT AIR. The best you can ever hope for in a perfect straight up watercooling system is whatever temperature ambient is.... how in the HELL is a heatsink on top of the block going to "collect" heat you tit!?-it's surrounded by the same ambient the radiator is!!!-In other words, it's just like the other radiator, only at a different point in the system. The _only_ disadvantage of that quirky setup is increasing the heatload of the case. Of course it doesn't do a whole whopping lot of good there either unless a disaster strikes like a pump failure which is certainly possible, but it's not the disaster you make it out to be. In any event Joe, if you aim to keep any respect I'd watch your words more carefully

Butcher · 09-05-2001, 09:57 PM

What's the big deal with epoxy? if you get the right stuff you can repair engine blocks with it, so why not a waterblock? :P

LiquidCool · 09-06-2001, 03:08 AM

Well Joe hasn't answered you yet so I guess I will...

Ok the problem with the Heatsink on the block is this. You said yourself that the block is being cooled with (hopefully) room temp water. Which usually places the block at room temp. Now, the inside of the case is being heated up by the air being pulled in through the radiator. Now your blowing that hot air over your heatsink on the block which heats it up and dumps it back in the water. Which goes to the radiator, and gets blown back into the case.

So you've effectively created a nice little oven. You NEVER suck into the case through the radiator. The point is to REMOVE the heat from the case to somewhere else, not dump it back in.

Butcher · 09-06-2001, 08:28 PM

Easy to solve that by ducting the radiator exhaust out the side of the case

LiquidCool · 09-08-2001, 01:39 AM

yeah but we are talking about ICraptic here. that would be to easy!

Joe · 09-08-2001, 02:02 AM

Well I will take some time out of my day to entertain your sorry argument:

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Originally posted by jastrckl:
Joe, quite frankly, you're a goon. Admittedly this guy has some problems, but you had a few brain farts criticizing him. #1 epoxying a block is pretty ghetto. But soldering one has it's own limitations... differences in the coefficients of expansion can cause stresses that can crack the bond, possibility (although remote) of galvanic corrosion, etc.

You know, if you solder 2 pieces of the same material together, they expand at the same rate and there for the solder has little if any stress. Solder = one helluva stronger bond than glue.

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#2 (the BIG one) HSF on the block which you claim tries to absorb heat from the ambient surroundings... this is preposterous. You're cooling that water with AMBIENT AIR. The best you can ever hope for in a perfect straight up watercooling system is whatever temperature ambient is.... how in the HELL is a heatsink on top of the block going to "collect" heat you tit!?-it's surrounded by the same ambient the radiator is!!!-In other words, it's just like the other radiator, only at a different point in the system.

Sigh... have you checked the ambient temp inside some boxes? with a hot GPU, Chipset, HD's, DVDROM's, etc... ambient in a box ( since many people who water cool seem to think they don’t need fans all of a sudden) can reach well over 105DegF. If you offer more surface to the air in the case, and if the water which is going past that HS is cooler than the internal case air, it will absorb heat from that HS. If you have a block that cant move the heat effectively to the water alone, maybe you need a new waterblock and not just slap a big ole ineffective HSF on top of it. Why not just get a good HSF at that point?

you tit.

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The _only_ disadvantage of that quirky setup is increasing the heat load of the case. Of course it doesn't do a whole whopping lot of good there either unless a disaster strikes like a pump failure which is certainly possible, but it's not the disaster you make it out to be. In any event Joe, if you aim to keep any respect I'd watch your words more carefully.

One thing you will learn about me noob, I speak my mind, and tell it how it is, I don't hide my feelings about a product in order to keep people happy. Live with it, or make your own decision about a product. the truth is, YOU and you alone are the only person who can say if you like or dislike a product. I am just pointing out what I like/dislike about it. I personally respect people who have the balls to make their own choices in the world, not those who play by the rules of others. If you like the block that’s cool. I just pointed out what I see as flaws in it, take it or leave it.

God I hate these politically correct days... Ohh I hope I didn't hurt anyone’s feelings ...

Kevin · 09-08-2001, 04:06 AM

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Originally posted by Joe:
I just pointed out what I see as flaws in it, take it or leave it.

Good call.

Kevin · 09-08-2001, 04:11 AM

OMG i just read the article... I gotta say this pic is the funnies thing i've EVER seen related to H2O cooling...

nice combo setup there!

gmat · 09-10-2001, 11:48 AM

Think of it like a propeller... Yeah, like planes. Look, it's already running across the carpet

LiquidCool · 09-10-2001, 12:02 PM

OMFG LET THIS THING DIE! PULL THE PLUG! CUT THE CORD!!! heheh

09-03-2001, 08:49 PM	#27
ItsSoLARGE Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: So Cal Posts: 125	dammit... I'm 16 too... well in december at least and heh.. well.. ask Joe and Cryo and I dont think Mortin from icrontic does. Anyways go to pro/chat its fun fun fun fun fun fun fun fun __________________ Plumber's Goop: The Watercooler's Duct Tape

09-03-2001, 09:58 PM	#28
baymo Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Astoria, OR Posts: 1	Damn that system licks a fat cock. They are complete f u c k i n morons. Hell im 15 and built my water cooler 4 bajillion times better then that POS. They need some SERIOUS help on how to cool down things...... __________________ Thunderbird 1000 @ 1800 Abit KT7A-RAID w/ Phase 2 Volatge Mod Visiontek Geforce 3 SB Live! X-Gamer 5.1 IBM 60GPX 60GB Hard Drive Maxtor 20GB Hard Drive 12X DVD-ROM 12x10x32x CD-RW

09-04-2001, 04:25 PM	#30
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	Wow, someone brought this one WAY from out of the grave __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

09-04-2001, 04:37 PM	#31
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	a lil icrontic bashing is healthy __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

09-05-2001, 09:57 PM	#34
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	What's the big deal with epoxy? if you get the right stuff you can repair engine blocks with it, so why not a waterblock? :P __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

09-03-2001, 07:34 PM	#26
LiquidCool Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 231	Do you really have that PPro to 266? I bought 2 200mhz PPros with 1mb cache but then couldnt see spending so much on a mobo and DIMMs when I could get a xeon mobo with SDRAM for cheaper! Always thought it would make a cool "retro" box, just because the processors are so massive!

09-03-2001, 11:42 PM	#29
LiquidCool Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 231	You get rid of that DD cube yet?

09-05-2001, 12:29 PM	#33
jastrckl Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 26	Joe, quite frankly, you're a goon. Admittedly this guy has some problems, but you had a few brain farts criticizing him. #1 epoxying a block is pretty ghetto. But soldering one has it's own limitations... differences in the coefficients of expansion can cause stresses that can crack the bond, possibility (although remote) of galvanic corrosion, etc. #2 (the BIG one) HSF on the block which you claim tries to absorb heat from the ambient surroundings... this is preposterous. You're cooling that water with AMBIENT AIR. The best you can ever hope for in a perfect straight up watercooling system is whatever temperature ambient is.... how in the HELL is a heatsink on top of the block going to "collect" heat you tit!?-it's surrounded by the same ambient the radiator is!!!-In other words, it's just like the other radiator, only at a different point in the system. The _only_ disadvantage of that quirky setup is increasing the heatload of the case. Of course it doesn't do a whole whopping lot of good there either unless a disaster strikes like a pump failure which is certainly possible, but it's not the disaster you make it out to be. In any event Joe, if you aim to keep any respect I'd watch your words more carefully

09-06-2001, 03:08 AM	#35
LiquidCool Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 231	Well Joe hasn't answered you yet so I guess I will... Ok the problem with the Heatsink on the block is this. You said yourself that the block is being cooled with (hopefully) room temp water. Which usually places the block at room temp. Now, the inside of the case is being heated up by the air being pulled in through the radiator. Now your blowing that hot air over your heatsink on the block which heats it up and dumps it back in the water. Which goes to the radiator, and gets blown back into the case. So you've effectively created a nice little oven. You NEVER suck into the case through the radiator. The point is to REMOVE the heat from the case to somewhere else, not dump it back in.

09-06-2001, 08:28 PM	#36
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	Easy to solve that by ducting the radiator exhaust out the side of the case __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

09-08-2001, 01:39 AM	#37
LiquidCool Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 231	yeah but we are talking about ICraptic here. that would be to easy!

09-08-2001, 04:11 AM	#40
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	OMG i just read the article... I gotta say this pic is the funnies thing i've EVER seen related to H2O cooling... nice combo setup there! __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

09-10-2001, 11:48 AM	#41
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Think of it like a propeller... Yeah, like planes. Look, it's already running across the carpet

09-10-2001, 12:02 PM	#42
LiquidCool Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Central Florida Posts: 231	OMFG LET THIS THING DIE! PULL THE PLUG! CUT THE CORD!!! heheh

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