Coolingworks New Shroud!

[Lothar5150]

Originally Posted by bobkoure

Gak! The one I got seemed OK.
Did you see if the shroud fit?
I know all the water cooling stuff we buy comes with "no returns" but at least see if they'll make it good to you before you start messing with it yourself
Bob
PS - Lothar5150 - do you have any recommended cores and/or suppliers of pre-modded cores? I'd like to think that be-cooling will make good, but if not, where does blackstealth go...?

There are several companies that have prebarbed HC's However; BlackStealth will need to talk with the manufactures to insure that they are the correct dimensions. I know that they fit the DD core but you will need to notch the shroud where the barbs are located to get it on.

BlackStealth- Sorry to hear that you are not happy with the quality of the BeCooling HC. I would give them a call about it.

My company may start manufacturing moded cores in small volumes to ensure there is a supply of high quality pre barbed cores that are guaranteed to fit the shroud.

[bobkoure]

Originally Posted by Lothar5150

My company may start manufacturing moded cores in small volumes to ensure there is a supply of high quality pre barbed cores that are guaranteed to fit the shroud.

I'd like to think that there'd be a definite market for that (particularly if you put this together with the shroud, hardware and template for cutting an opening).
But... why did dtek stop with the pro core if folks were snapping them up?
Anyway, yes, I would buy one from you - if only so I could recommend your product to other folks and not get embarrassed.
I'm currently looking at the 2-224 heater core (71 mercury montego) 6x6x2 with both in+out 5/8". AFAICT this cars available engines were all iron block, so this core's water contact area is probably copper or copper-alloy. 1/2" ID silicone tubing will go right over 5/8" OD.

$34 at rock auto
I'm trying to find a decent picture
GDI 399035
4 SEASONS 94593
MURRAY 279324
STANT 90350
EVERCO 2203
Here's a drawing of the 4seasons at Auto Parts Giant
Hmmm... maybe those pipes angle too much to the side, even if I cut 'em back to, say 1.5 or 2 inches.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Bob
PS: I thought I posted in this thread about this core last night, but i was late and I was running on not-much-sleep from the night before so maybe I posted into the wrong thread (d'oh!) or maybe didn't save properly (sigh...)

EDIT: image of the Balkamp (BK 6603012 at napaonline) $42

Looks like maybe there's enough straight run before the bends.

[pauldenton]

Originally Posted by bobkoure

I'm currently looking at the 2-224 heater core (71 mercury montego) 6x6x2 with both in+out 5/8". AFAICT this cars available engines were all iron block, so this core's water contact area is probably copper or copper-alloy. 1/2" ID silicone tubing will go right over 5/8" OD.

$34 at rock auto
I'm trying to find a decent picture
GDI 399035
4 SEASONS 94593
MURRAY 279324
STANT 90350
EVERCO 2203
Here's a drawing of the 4seasons at Auto Parts Giant
Hmmm... maybe those pipes angle too much to the side, even if I cut 'em back to, say 1.5 or 2 inches.
Any thoughts or suggestions?
Bob

$30.99 at autozone

[JokerCPoC]

Me I happen to like the ThermoChill HE120.2 High Performance Heat Exchanger that
is over at PCPOWERZONE.com, That and four shrouds and four 120mm fans, Of course
I would need to keep It outside of My case (It's a Chieftec DX-01BD Mid-Tower)
so there isn't enough room inside for It and 2 water blocks (a TDX(in Silver)
and a Z-Chip 1-each), a dual 5.25" drive bay reservoir and a water pump like
the 1260 and a 120vac relay pci card. It's just a matter of making a bracket
to mount the Radiator to the back of the Case(Right Side from the Front of the
case) and there You have It as My space is really limited to a 32" wide computer
desk, As a 240 gallon Aquarium (It's 6'x2'x2.5'(LxWxH)) is next to It and It takes
up the balance of a 9' 6" wall space and believe Me It's cramped with a Behemoth
Aquarium next to My Computer, As I can only go up or front to back, So side to side
is only 32" at maximum. Beyond the 9'6" space is the Door to the Hallway, But It's
a 12'Wx14'L room and No I can't go the other way much as most of the space is taken
already (Bed, Computer Desk, Chair, Nightstand and Bookshelf/Storage).

[bobkoure]

Originally Posted by zoom314

Me I happen to like the ThermoChill HE120.2 High Performance Heat Exchanger...

Erm...OK
There was a question as to whether the ThermoChill 2 (so 2 120mm fans) could outperform the chevette heater core, but that was a request for comparative data. Bill A did an analysis of the ThermoChill radiators (which he points me to when I get confused about radiator issues ) and I think Joe Citarella did an analysis of the 6x6 heater core (in the incarnation of a "big momma") but the two reviews would not be comparable (different test rig and tester) but are the closest thing I can come up with for a cross-comparison.

[bobkoure]

One problem we were trying to solve was finding a heater core that:
- fit in a reasonable sized case
- works with cooling works shroud (so 6" to 6.25" L and H)
- had inlet/outlet that would work with 1/2" ID tubing with minimum modification (cut off, maybe)
- was not made of aluminum
- (optional) was really cheap

One possible solution was the heater core for the 71 mercury Montego w/air
Here's a picture of the Balkamp (BK 6603012 at napaonline) $42

Looks like maybe there's enough straight run before the bends - so they could be cut off just before the bends and end up with a no-soldering no-goop decent 6x6 radiator (which would be perfect if I had a beader - but I don't).

Here's a picture of the one from A1 injectors

Note how the tubes angle immediately (no straight run). This is a drawing, so, was the artist lazy or does this actually not have short straight runs before a bend? I'm guessing that the artist got it right...

Here's the one by 4Seasons

Doesn't look like any usable straight run here, either, does it?

With the drawing of the one at rock auto it's even harder to tell what the tubes are doing.


Sure wish the local auto parts store had these in stock so I could look at 'em (not a lot of '71 Mercury Montegos on the streets around here, though...) Failing that, I'd guess the one to go with is the Balkamp.

[GreenWolf]

I found this core at AutoZone for $18.99 and it is big enough to cool a compound waterblock setup easily.

1990 Chevy Caprice Heater core

Detailed Product Information
Description: Heater Core
Part Number: 94530

Dimensions : Height 9-1/2" Width 6-5/16" Depth 2"
Hose Connection Tube Sizes: Inlet 5/8" Outlet 3/4"
Vehicle and OEM Types: GM: 3022696, 3036422

Only problem I see with it is the tubes are oval where they join the tank, but if you are mounting the 1/2" barbs on the tubes there should be no problem.

[bobkoure]

Bingo!

Fedco 2-224 heater core $29.98 at PartsAmerica
Looks like it should work with the coolingworks shroud, inlet/outlet clearly have a perpendicular-to-the-core run before bending, appear to be round section.

EDIT: Just ordered one from PartsAmerica $36.51 to my door. Will be out of computer touch until Monday-next, but will try to post results then. Blackstealth, sorry for the delay - this is the best I can do for you...

[JokerCPoC]

Originally Posted by bobkoure

Erm...OK
There was a question as to whether the ThermoChill 2 (so 2 120mm fans) could outperform the chevette heater core, but that was a request for comparative data. Bill A did an analysis of the ThermoChill radiators (which he points me to when I get confused about radiator issues ) and I think Joe Citarella did an analysis of the 6x6 heater core (in the incarnation of a "big momma") but the two reviews would not be comparable (different test rig and tester) but are the closest thing I can come up with for a cross-comparison.

Question is, Is there a Heater core that's about 13.25"x6.125"x2" in size? That would be better I would think than Your normal 6.125"x6.125"x2" heater core.

[bobkoure]

Originally Posted by zoom314

Question is, Is there a Heater core that's about 13.25"x6.125"x2" in size?

Yep, that's a good question - just wasn't the one I was trying to answer. For extra credit, find one that's single pass and that has inlet/outlet tubes that we can use use with minimal modification (so hopefully they come straight out from the core for 1.5 or more before they bend).
Non-aluminum would be good (so stay away from cores for cars with aluminum blocks) - at least for the water passageways.

I think there's been some posting about this already (sorry, don't remember where, pretty sure it was this forum, though).

[JokerCPoC]

Originally Posted by bobkoure

Yep, that's a good question - just wasn't the one I was trying to answer. For extra credit, find one that's single pass and that has inlet/outlet tubes that we can use use with minimal modification (so hopefully they come straight out from the core for 1.5 or more before they bend).
Non-aluminum would be good (so stay away from cores for cars with aluminum blocks) - at least for the water passageways.

I think there's been some posting about this already (sorry, don't remember where, pretty sure it was this forum, though).

Danger Den does sell one that gets close at just: 11" x 6 1/8" x 2" in size. And of course It's reasonably priced to Me at $34.99 plus shipping(If any?). Here's an image of It and a link to the larger image of the two.

[bobkoure]

Looks pretty good.
Any idea what diameter those tubes are? I'd almost prefer they not solder in barbs if the tubing is something I can get 1/2" ID tubing over somehow.
Did you get one? Get the shroud too? Any idea how far it'd be from fan blades to core fins (they don't have a photo of the shroud they sell for this core - the shrouds for 6x6 cores are - IMHO of course - too close).
Oh - and yeah, the price is nice, too...
Bob

[bobkoure]

While I'm at it, there's the fedco 2-342

$29.98 plus shipping at PartsAmerica.
It's a single-pass with inlet/outlet at opposite corners, 9.5"x6.25"x2", so two 120mm fans per side will fit (I'd just put 'em on the "pull" side, but that's me)
The inlet and outlet are 5/8" and 3/4", but you can see that the 3/4" part is just a bulge that you'll end up tossing when you cut these down.
The core's for a 69-72 Chevy truck - they called this stuff American iron for a reason - as in iron block, so very likely copper water contact surface.
The DangerDen core you mentioned above might be slightly longer 6 1/8" x 2" - but these are dimensions including tanks) and slightly narrower but the fin area is probably about the same.
Bob
PS: This was much easier to find than the 6x6x2...

[JokerCPoC]

Originally Posted by bobkoure

Looks pretty good.
Any idea what diameter those tubes are? I'd almost prefer they not solder in barbs if the tubing is something I can get 1/2" ID tubing over somehow.
Did you get one? Get the shroud too? Any idea how far it'd be from fan blades to core fins (they don't have a photo of the shroud they sell for this core - the shrouds for 6x6 cores are - IMHO of course - too close).
Oh - and yeah, the price is nice, too...
Bob

They can be Ordered in 1/2" Tubing or 3/8" Tubing, Me I'd go for the 1/2" (ID or 3/4" OD) Tubing Myself. Sorry I'd have to ask, But I assume the shrouds are what They have pictured and I think what They sell are about 1/4" thick or so. And Yeah It would be close, Other shrouds could possibly fit with some modifications possibly I'd imagine, But I don't know for sure. Sorry, No I didn't get one, As right now I have more important things to pay for, Like the repairs to the house My brother owns (I live in It too and I have Durable Power of Attorney over the Checking Account of His(It was needed, Otherwise He would have nothing to return too), With His permission freely given to this of course) So while He's in the Hospital/Rest Home for Lung Cancer/Nuemonia. And so the Damage to the Mobile Home due to the Termites is being repaired and Other much needed Repairs are made that have been put off for almost too long by Him and I shall rectify that in short order. In either September or October I'll be able to buy all the parts for water cooling that I need as I will finally have enough funds from My checking account then to do so. He('s on Disability/Retired) and I('m on SSI) are both disabled of course and He's retired from the US Navy. June is going to be a tight month as almost too much is being done at once, But July through September will be Better, And I plan on getting this House whipped into shape by then.

[BlackStealth]

HeY!! Bob thanks for your help And sorry for the late reply, I was kinda busy with my graduation. I saw all the links that you posted about the HC , sounds interesting I am still thinking to order one but I think I should stick with the one I have. I really don’t wanna spend a lot in my WC set-up. I will try the BeCooling HC and will see how it works out, later on I can do what ever I feel that could help for better temps. I also tried to mount the shroud on the HC, I probably have to mod the top of the shroud. But that is not a problem; I could clean up around the two threads that are on the tank of the HC. That way I probably could mount the Shroud without modding it, its too nice to be moded

Okay my case modding is going very well I fitted the Plexiglas and need some minor modification to the PG and it should be good to go. I am also waiting for the D-TeK Customs White water to come out “I really have no clue about it! If anyone knows an approximate day that it should come out” I really can’t wait till I finish my first WC setup. I was also thinking of the Silver prop cyclone 2.5 I received the Fusion HL it rocks with smooth lapping. Sorry for the delay of the pictures I will try posting them tonight or tomorrow.

[JokerCPoC]

Well the SDX as I'd like to call It or as Danger Den calls It, The S-TDX makes the White Water look like an antique as the WW will flow at 2.15GPM (max.) and the S-TDX will flow at 3.05GPM from what I've read and the silver unit cools the best getting a 2500+ Barton to do over 2.9Ghz(see below), That's 400Mhz or so faster than what I do on Air alone. The Comparison/Review is at the link below. But to get the 3.05 You need a pump that will do no less than 300GPH. I'm thinking a 1260 (a relay will be needed) pump or so will be required at the very least, I would have liked to use the MCP600v2(a 12v pump), But It only puts out 160GPH, I've yet to see a 12vdc 300GPH pump from the likes of swiftech, It would be nice If Danger Den could sell/make one, But that's life for You.

http://www.procooling.com/reviews/ht...block_revi.php
http://reviews.pimprig.com/cooling/d...tdx_blocks.php

[bobkoure]

Originally Posted by BlackStealth

...but I think I should stick with the one I have. ... I will try the BeCooling HC and will see how it works out...

Sounds like a very good plan.
I'd still suggest contacting becooling and giving them a chance to make good. A lot of their current/potential customers read this forum and IMHO it's a bit unfair to not at least give 'em a chance - and post the results of that as a follow-up.

[bobkoure]

Originally Posted by zoom314

...The S-TDX makes the White Water look like an antique...

If you're judging simply by flow rate, then, yes, it flows very well. Given a powerful pump you might get it to outcool a whitewater (the c/w/flow numbers are lower, but, as you said, you can flow more).

However, setting up a system is like engineering in that there are a number of trade-offs and compromises between various factors. If you add low-noise as a factor (so a quiet, modest flow pump) then this block becomes IMHO an inappropriate choice.

The review you're referencing (pimprig) doesn't seem to mention pump head, velocity, coolant temp. Maybe that's in the graphs I can't reference because I'm behind privoxy (anti-web-nasty filter)?

I'm surprised they can get a 2500+ to go 2.9MHz. I'd suggest you not plan on getting the same results. I'm also wondering how usable/stable that 2.9MHz system is.

The block certainly is pretty, though, isn't it? Assuming you have a case-window or something so folks can gaze at it...

My guess is that there is going to be a bunch of "conversation" around this block - why not "start a topic" rather than change this thread? More folks'll see it that way...

[JokerCPoC]

Originally Posted by bobkoure

If you're judging simply by flow rate, then, yes, it flows very well. Given a powerful pump you might get it to outcool a whitewater (the c/w/flow numbers are lower, but, as you said, you can flow more).

However, setting up a system is like engineering in that there are a number of trade-offs and compromises between various factors. If you add low-noise as a factor (so a quiet, modest flow pump) then this block becomes IMHO an inappropriate choice.

The review you're referencing (pimprig) doesn't seem to mention pump head, velocity, coolant temp. Maybe that's in the graphs I can't reference because I'm behind privoxy (anti-web-nasty filter)?

I'm surprised they can get a 2500+ to go 2.9MHz. I'd suggest you not plan on getting the same results. I'm also wondering how usable/stable that 2.9MHz system is.

The block certainly is pretty, though, isn't it? Assuming you have a case-window or something so folks can gaze at it...

My guess is that there is going to be a bunch of "conversation" around this block - why not "start a topic" rather than change this thread? More folks'll see it that way...

Ok, Will do.

[BlackStealth]

picture 1
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picture 4
picture 5
Those are the links to the pictures. Those pictures speak for Themselves.

[JokerCPoC]

Originally Posted by BlackStealth

[snip]
Those are the pictures guyz. Those pictures speak for Themselves.

Nice Huge pics, My 3Mbs connection handled them with ease. But to see them without scrolling from side to side I shrank them in Firefox 0.8+ down to 400x300 temporalily.

[BlackStealth]

HeeY Guyz I was wondering will the Danger Den TDX work well with the Swiftech MCP6000 Pump? The first plan was to go with D-TeK White Water but I see no updates or an specific day for the blocks to come out. I also got my Silverprop GPU block so do you think the combiniation should work well?
Thank You
ALi

[JokerCPoC]

Originally Posted by BlackStealth

HeeY Guyz I was wondering will the Danger Den TDX work well with the Swiftech MCP6000 Pump? The first plan was to go with D-TeK White Water but I see no updates or an specific day for the blocks to come out. I also got my Silverprop GPU block so do you think the combiniation should work well?
Thank You
ALi

From What I've read the TDX & S-TDX will need a pump in excess of 300GPH to cool properly, THe MCP600 will only do 160GPH, But You could try It If You want, It's You cash. I thought Swiftech had an MCP600, I didn't know they had an MCP6000.

[JokerCPoC]

Oh and back to the Shrouds, I found a website that shows the shroud on a heatercore, Wait till You get down to Cloud Strife, He/She has It hooked up to a Black Ice Extreme, But then It's Black and Blue all over. :shrug: :shrug:


http://forums.infoprosjoint.net/show...?t=5532&page=2

[JokerCPoC]

Also the S-TDX costs $124.95 each from Danger Den, Now as to whether anyone else will carry It is debatable right now, But the Copper version of course is another matter.



http://www.dangerden.com/mall2/more.asp?fmmore=212