A REALLY powerful watercooling pump. - Page 3

Cieprus · 05-21-2002, 07:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Volenti
I've down volted 12v pumps before (7v and 5 v), it won't hurt them, but won't stop them dying quickly either (re, DC pumps having around 3month life span)

Are you saying all DC fans only live for about 3 months???

Or are you saying if I downvolt, THEN it will only last 3 months???

Cause im sure there are some people out ther with 12v pumps that have lasted a LONG time...

ECUPirate · 05-21-2002, 09:10 AM

hmmm. well, I was referring to my 120mm fans... maybe it's different for little fans. remember when I was asking whether or not I should get a panaflo H1A and downvolt it or a L1A??? You guys said to get the L1A for various reasons.

12v pumps in general are not favorites amongst this forum.

I've not heard one good thing about them, nor have I heard of anyone downvolting them.

Cieprus · 05-21-2002, 11:44 AM

Gees you guys are so strickt.

Well I havent gone to Home Depot yet, so maybe they will have a lower GPH pump.

As for now, the lowest ive seen is the 600, Which is alot better then a 950

Cyco-Dude · 05-21-2002, 11:53 AM

well damn, if you havent bought one yet, why not run down to Petsmart and grab a Danner Supreme Mag-Drive? it might be cheaper @ their website tho. look for water pumps under the fish heading.

Cieprus · 05-21-2002, 08:21 PM

Good Idea!!!!

Cieprus · 05-21-2002, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cieprus
Good Idea!!!!

Wow... There are alot.

Which one?

Supreme Mag Drive Pump Model 1 - 80 gph
$15.99

Supreme Mag Drive Pump Model 1.5 - 140 gph
$20.99

Supreme Mag Drive Pump Model 2 - 250 gph
$35.99

Supreme Mag Drive Pump Model 3 - 350 gph
$44.99 this one???

Supreme Mag Drive Pump Model 5 - 500 gph
$51.99

Supreme Mag Drive Pump Model 7 - 700 gph
$54.99

Supreme Mag Drive Pump Model 12 - 1200 gph
$99.99

Volenti · 05-21-2002, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Are you saying all DC fans only live for about 3 months???

Or are you saying if I downvolt, THEN it will only last 3 months???

Cause im sure there are some people out ther with 12v pumps that have lasted a LONG time...

If the DC pump relys on a seal on the drive shaft (direct coupling to the impeller) than it will have a limited life, either the seal will eventually fail flooding the internal workings, or the brushes will simply wear away. It's not going to be axactly 3 months, but that seems to be a rough average.(continous run time) down volting it will make it last a bit longer (less wear v time) exactly how much I wouldn't know.

note; I'm refering to brushed dc motor based pumps here, brushless fans and mag coupled pumps have a far greater MTBF.

ECUPirate · 05-21-2002, 11:40 PM

wow. dude, you've gotta go for the 1200GPH. ...jk...

250 or 350 would be fine. It really depends on how many blocks you've got and how complicated your system is. The bigger the pump, the more vibration/noise/heat it will produce. If you've got a simple system without 90 degree bends and such, you could probably use 3/8" hose and a smallish pump and do just great. 3/8" hose would produce alot of backpressure if you try to cram alot of water through it. If you've got alot of shiet in your PC, run 1/2" ID hose w/ 5/8" OD barbs, and use the 350 pump. Bigger hose = less backpressure and so it can handle more GPH w/ less strain on the pump.
I've got about 12 feet of 5/8" & 1/2" hose in my setup, so my eheim 1250 (317GPH???) is really helpful. The flow rate is kindof pathetic with all that hose, but my temps are quite good.

ksw · 05-22-2002, 01:09 AM

Brad: sure, it moves more quietly. BUT it only moves air through whta, an Heatsink? how much resistance will that make? if you used is as a pump to move water, ill bet on that the YStech would be more efficient at 12v than the delta at 7v. but the i guess, those fans aint waterproof.

Brad · 05-22-2002, 01:51 AM

I'm sure they aren't waterproof :P

i agree with ecu, go for the 1200gph!

Cyco-Dude · 05-22-2002, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cieprus
Wow... There are alot.

Which one?

i got myself the 350GPH model (at the time, there was a special for free shipping on orders $45 or more, so...lol)
Dtek sells the 250GPH model in their 1/2" kits, so either of those pumps will be find depending on your setup. you'll have to get barbs for the pump (home depot or Lowes for like $1.60 each), and you'll need to seal the housing so it doesnt leak (Permatex water pump and thermostat housing RTV silicone, $2 at any auto-parts store). while youre at the hardware store, pick up some Teflon tape to seal the barbs to the housing (only use teflon tape, do not use a silicone sealer to seal the barbs). some ppl have also glued their impellers to the magnet on the shaft to reduce 'clatter' (i havent noticed this, so i left mine alone).

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
i agree with ecu, go for the 1200gph!

yes, and then downvolt it

Cieprus · 05-22-2002, 07:47 AM

Well Im thinking aobut getting the 350.

Ill be running a Maze3, a GF3 D-Den block, Black Ice Pro (Blue

), with all 1/2 hose.

My case is really small to enclose all the stuff, Im thinkin Im gonna mount the rad on the top.

This is kinda what my case looks like, except the support bar though the middle is moved up about 2 inches.

So I have some room under the HDD rack.

Cieprus · 05-22-2002, 07:50 AM

Opps

gone_fishin · 05-22-2002, 08:07 AM

If you did not buy the heatercore yet I suggest saving about $20 on one at an autoparts store.

ECUPirate · 05-22-2002, 09:37 AM

yeah... save your $$$. just about any HC from auto shop will keep up w/ BI. The Ford Econoline van HC is big, and has two 5/8" fittings, which tygon/silicon 1/2" hose fit over.

the 350 would be perfect for that setup.

also, you may want to re-read this thread.... I have a big case, but the WC stuff is a pain to work around, so I moved everything into its own box. ...just read this. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=3185

Cieprus · 05-22-2002, 11:25 AM

I already read your post ECU

I was planing on having it seperate, but Im up for suggestions.

I already got the Black Ice Pro with 1/2 fittings.

It should sit on top of the case, if not, ill put it on the side

maskedgeek · 05-25-2002, 01:16 AM

my dad has one of these for whatever reason, and it pumps 1290gph AT 15 FEET! THATS INSANE!, we used it lately to fill our pool and boost the waterflow into the pool, its pretty insane!, its got hose connectors like you use on a faucet and sprinklers and whatnots, its QUITE loud! VERY loud! especially for watercooling!!!

ksw · 05-25-2002, 02:33 AM

Pool..... go away you rich spoiled brat

maskedgeek · 05-25-2002, 12:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ksw
Pool..... go away you rich spoiled brat

@$$, i aint a rich spoiled brat, its an above ground pool, nothing too expencive, we have had one for a while, a used one and it bursted so we got the pool already had the rest of it,

dont make asumptions....

Cieprus · 05-25-2002, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by maskedgeek

@$$, i aint a rich spoiled brat, its an above ground pool, nothing too expencive, we have had one for a while, a used one and it bursted so we got the pool already had the rest of it,

dont make asumptions....

Dont ruin my thread. Did you not see the--->

Damn

maskedgeek · 05-25-2002, 12:55 PM

sorry dude,

the one thing i dont like about that pump is that its NOIZY! we have used it to pump water out of my basement, its kinda watery down there in the spring, and i can hear it from floor 1....

ksw · 05-25-2002, 02:54 PM

then do like compaq wants everyone eith noisy computerparts to do
BUILD A SEPARATE ROOM WITH AC AND PASSIVE COOLERS

gone_fishin · 05-25-2002, 04:22 PM

Here's an insane "quiet one"
http://www.watercenter.com/product.t...19774662184368

And here it is again for half price

http://www.fishconnection.com/Rainbow%20Systems.html

If you want a lot of flow and quiet operation, this be it

ECUPirate · 05-25-2002, 06:08 PM

I hope everyone here has the good sense not to try to use one of these in a WC system....

87 watts?
1140 GPH, direct drive?

Give me a break. You try to cram that kind of flow down a 1/2" pipe, and either your pump will burn out or your system will leak everywhere. Either way, your water temps will be too high.

Cieprus · 05-25-2002, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ECUPirate
I hope everyone here has the good sense not to try to use one of these in a WC system....

87 watts?
1140 GPH, direct drive?

Give me a break. You try to cram that kind of flow down a 1/2" pipe, and either your pump will burn out or your system will leak everywhere. Either way, your water temps will be too high.

Im not using it man.

05-21-2002, 09:10 AM	#52
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	hmmm. well, I was referring to my 120mm fans... maybe it's different for little fans. remember when I was asking whether or not I should get a panaflo H1A and downvolt it or a L1A??? You guys said to get the L1A for various reasons. 12v pumps in general are not favorites amongst this forum. I've not heard one good thing about them, nor have I heard of anyone downvolting them. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-21-2002, 11:40 PM	#58
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	wow. dude, you've gotta go for the 1200GPH. ...jk... 250 or 350 would be fine. It really depends on how many blocks you've got and how complicated your system is. The bigger the pump, the more vibration/noise/heat it will produce. If you've got a simple system without 90 degree bends and such, you could probably use 3/8" hose and a smallish pump and do just great. 3/8" hose would produce alot of backpressure if you try to cram alot of water through it. If you've got alot of shiet in your PC, run 1/2" ID hose w/ 5/8" OD barbs, and use the 350 pump. Bigger hose = less backpressure and so it can handle more GPH w/ less strain on the pump. I've got about 12 feet of 5/8" & 1/2" hose in my setup, so my eheim 1250 (317GPH???) is really helpful. The flow rate is kindof pathetic with all that hose, but my temps are quite good. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-22-2002, 01:09 AM	#59
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	Brad: sure, it moves more quietly. BUT it only moves air through whta, an Heatsink? how much resistance will that make? if you used is as a pump to move water, ill bet on that the YStech would be more efficient at 12v than the delta at 7v. but the i guess, those fans aint waterproof. __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

05-22-2002, 01:51 AM	#60
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I'm sure they aren't waterproof :P i agree with ecu, go for the 1200gph! __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

05-22-2002, 09:37 AM	#65
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	yeah... save your $$$. just about any HC from auto shop will keep up w/ BI. The Ford Econoline van HC is big, and has two 5/8" fittings, which tygon/silicon 1/2" hose fit over. the 350 would be perfect for that setup. also, you may want to re-read this thread.... I have a big case, but the WC stuff is a pain to work around, so I moved everything into its own box. ...just read this. http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=3185 __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-21-2002, 11:44 AM	#53
Cieprus Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: ~America~ Posts: 180	Gees you guys are so strickt. Well I havent gone to Home Depot yet, so maybe they will have a lower GPH pump. As for now, the lowest ive seen is the 600, Which is alot better then a 950

05-21-2002, 11:53 AM	#54
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	well damn, if you havent bought one yet, why not run down to Petsmart and grab a Danner Supreme Mag-Drive? it might be cheaper @ their website tho. look for water pumps under the fish heading.

05-21-2002, 08:21 PM	#55
Cieprus Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: ~America~ Posts: 180	Good Idea!!!!

05-22-2002, 07:47 AM	#62
Cieprus Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: ~America~ Posts: 180	Well Im thinking aobut getting the 350. Ill be running a Maze3, a GF3 D-Den block, Black Ice Pro (Blue ), with all 1/2 hose. My case is really small to enclose all the stuff, Im thinkin Im gonna mount the rad on the top. This is kinda what my case looks like, except the support bar though the middle is moved up about 2 inches. So I have some room under the HDD rack.

05-22-2002, 08:07 AM	#64
gone_fishin Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Da UP Posts: 517	If you did not buy the heatercore yet I suggest saving about $20 on one at an autoparts store.

05-22-2002, 11:25 AM	#66
Cieprus Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: ~America~ Posts: 180	I already read your post ECU I was planing on having it seperate, but Im up for suggestions. I already got the Black Ice Pro with 1/2 fittings. It should sit on top of the case, if not, ill put it on the side

05-25-2002, 01:16 AM	#67
maskedgeek Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: poop Posts: 145	my dad has one of these for whatever reason, and it pumps 1290gph AT 15 FEET! THATS INSANE!, we used it lately to fill our pool and boost the waterflow into the pool, its pretty insane!, its got hose connectors like you use on a faucet and sprinklers and whatnots, its QUITE loud! VERY loud! especially for watercooling!!!

05-25-2002, 02:33 AM	#68
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	Pool..... go away you rich spoiled brat __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

05-25-2002, 12:55 PM	#71
maskedgeek Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: poop Posts: 145	sorry dude, the one thing i dont like about that pump is that its NOIZY! we have used it to pump water out of my basement, its kinda watery down there in the spring, and i can hear it from floor 1....

05-25-2002, 02:54 PM	#72
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	then do like compaq wants everyone eith noisy computerparts to do BUILD A SEPARATE ROOM WITH AC AND PASSIVE COOLERS __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

05-25-2002, 04:22 PM	#73
gone_fishin Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Da UP Posts: 517	Here's an insane "quiet one" http://www.watercenter.com/product.t...19774662184368 And here it is again for half price http://www.fishconnection.com/Rainbow%20Systems.html If you want a lot of flow and quiet operation, this be it

05-25-2002, 06:08 PM	#74
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	I hope everyone here has the good sense not to try to use one of these in a WC system.... 87 watts? 1140 GPH, direct drive? Give me a break. You try to cram that kind of flow down a 1/2" pipe, and either your pump will burn out or your system will leak everywhere. Either way, your water temps will be too high. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

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