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[jaydee]

Originally Posted by LPorc

Water cooling is entering the mainstream. I'm seeing local builders advertising water cooled systems.

That doesn't mean anything. When Dell, HP, Compaq and the rest of the big guys all sell it is as standard equipment then it is main stream. Hell they don't even sell it as an option yet.

[MadHacker]

Originally Posted by jaydee116

That doesn't mean anything. When Dell, HP, Compaq and the rest of the big guys all sell it is as standard equipment then it is main stream. Hell they don't even sell it as an option yet.

and they might never do that either...
I guess it all boils down to what one considers mainstream...
difrent interpetations of "mainstream" can be argued back and forth...
dictonary meaning anyone?

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by MadHacker

and they might never do that either...
I guess it all boils down to what one considers mainstream...
difrent interpetations of "mainstream" can be argued back and forth...
dictonary meaning anyone?

There is only one meaning. When OEM's offer it as standard equipment and it is used by the majority of computers. Untill then it is not.

Main Entry: 1main·stream
Pronunciation: 'mAn-"strEm
Function: noun
: a prevailing current or direction of activity or influence
- mainstream adjective

[gruntledweasel]

I think people might not be seeing the overall picture here. Remember, the "enthusiast" market is pretty small compared to the OEM market. Watercooling may become (has already become?) "mainstream" with regard to the "enthusiast" market, but we don't represent the real driving force behind chip manufacture. Seeing prebuilt watercooling kits like those offered by koolance isn't really a sign of watercooling going mainstream, any more than prometria setups are a sign of phase-change going mainstream. The guys who'd drool over the token watercooled setup on display at Fry's (and the even smaller number who would actually pay for it) just don't have the influence of, say, Dell.

Remember, the reaction of most people (that I've met, at least) when you tell them you're watercooling your case is surprise that anyone would do such a thing. "Isn't that more dangerous/unsafe/troublesome than it's worth?"

[LPorc]

The way I see it, there are several local builders that are differentiating themselves by putting WC in their high end systems. Yes, they are aimed at the power user/gamer kind of systems, but that sort of thing spreads trends. Everything that works for the local builders (differentiation that drives sales) eventually finds its way into an OEM system.

Dell and the like, while representing a significant part of the market in volume, don't drive what people want. An OEM can rarely do that. Far from driving the mainstream market desires, they are the players capitalizing on it with volume. OEMs are always a step behind what people want, and always playing catch-up. It's not cost-effective for them to differentiate themselves too much until after the demand is already present in the market. It is the local builders and specialty shops that find and prove the demand before then.

In other words, an OEM won't integrate an idea until AFTER it is mainstream, and certainly not until it is old news to the enthusiast market.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by LPorc

The way I see it, there are several local builders that are differentiating themselves by putting WC in their high end systems. Yes, they are aimed at the power user/gamer kind of systems, but that sort of thing spreads trends. Everything that works for the local builders (differentiation that drives sales) eventually finds its way into an OEM system.

Dell and the like, while representing a significant part of the market in volume, don't drive what people want. An OEM can rarely do that. Far from driving the mainstream market desires, they are the players capitalizing on it with volume. OEMs are always a step behind what people want, and always playing catch-up. It's not cost-effective for them to differentiate themselves too much until after the demand is already present in the market. It is the local builders and specialty shops that find and prove the demand before then.

In other words, an OEM won't integrate an idea until AFTER it is mainstream, and certainly not until it is old news to the enthusiast market.

Disagree completely.

When AMD and Intel start recommending water cooling for their CPU's then it is mainstream. Untill then it is an after market mod.

[MadHacker]

Originally Posted by jaydee116

There is only one meaning. When OEM's offer it as standard equipment and it is used by the majority of computers. Untill then it is not.

SO when toshiba starts to offer their systems as watercooled...
that would be the beginning of main stream then?

Toshiba unveils thin Portege laptop that sports water-cooled processor

or mebe
Hitachi Introduces a Water-Cooled Laptop

what about
NEC Develops World's First Water-Cooling Module with Piezoelectric Pump for Notebook PC

need more? Google it.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by MadHacker

SO when toshiba starts to offer their systems as watercooled...
that would be the beginning of main stream then?

Toshiba unveils thin Portege laptop that sports water-cooled processor

or mebe
Hitachi Introduces a Water-Cooled Laptop

what about
NEC Develops World's First Water-Cooling Module with Piezoelectric Pump for Notebook PC

need more? Google it.

They been discussing this for 4 years. So far very little has happened. Laptops are a definate exception as it is very difficult to put a good aircooler on. If you have noticed Mobile CPU's have become very low wattage and the need for this water cooling had diminished. Not to mention people don't like carrying around 5 pounds of extra weight (water,rad. ect..) This is old news that means nothing.

P.S. Notice the DATES on the articles....