"Jet" block ver. 1. - Page 5

t00lb0x · 07-18-2003, 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaydee116
I am using a Type K Thermal Coupler (TC).

Reference: http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=6967

Deeper holes maybe good..... I will see if I have any 1/4" copper left and try and run a new base out.... I can probaby go deeper in this 1/8" base though. I am not even half way through now...... Stuff to ponder.....

Ohhh ok that works thanks man.

leejsmith · 07-19-2003, 03:42 AM

looking good jaydee116, What is the ID of the tubes ?

JFettig · 07-19-2003, 06:48 AM

Jaydee, I think I see where the problem is, I beleve you have too much restriction between the jets, It looks like water would not flow freely around them, Much too close.

What size holes are those?

Whats the spacing?

If they are 1/8" holes and spaced so that its easy to make on my mill, maybe I could whip up one for a few bucks.

-Edit- oops, jon is on drugs, Just got wisdom teeth out, didnt realize there is another page, leesmith already asked about the tubes.

Jon

Tuff · 07-19-2003, 08:53 AM

JayDee...don't forget we want to see results without Jets aswell...Just using a center inlet.

Tuff

MMZ_TimeLord · 07-19-2003, 11:00 AM

Tuff,

Would you like fries with that?

Tuff · 07-19-2003, 11:11 AM

To mention Fries with a waterblock...not a good combo.

Tuff

jaydee · 07-19-2003, 11:26 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tuff
JayDee...don't forget we want to see results without Jets aswell...Just using a center inlet.

Tuff

Just installed it. Sorry for the delay on that but I ran out of barbs.

Jon/lee, they holes are not 1/8" unfortunatly but the probably "should be". I messed up with my measurments. The pipes have a OD of .08" and the ID of .055" and the holes in the base are only .10" is what my micrometer is telling me. Holes are not wide enough. I need to spread the pipes out more and make wider holes..... Bah!

Well at least it is on par with the maze 4 even though it is all messed up.

Will report back in a little bit with the temps on the block without jets. CPUBurn was set to an hour and it should be about up...

jaydee · 07-19-2003, 11:48 AM

After 1 hour of CPU Burn (note temps are at equilibrium) the block Tuff suggested is:

26C air

31C water

43C TC

40.5 onboard.

Ain't that a kick in the nuts....

t00lb0x · 07-19-2003, 12:33 PM

They are the same! *shocking face* I hope you fix the jets.

Tuff · 07-19-2003, 12:36 PM

If I might comment on WHY this might happen?

Once the water hits the holes it becomes a jetstream of water within the Jet.

I hope that makes sense to you.

It's only a guess.

Tuff

jaydee · 07-19-2003, 07:01 PM

I went and picked up my mill. I just milled 1/64 around the pipes to they should actually go INTO the holes a little now. That should (in theory) increase the impingment effect as the water will be forced into the hole. Otherwise a lot of water can just escape through the gap. Sealing it up now and will see how it works out but first I am going to completely redo my tests. Going to test my Volcano 6cu+, the Maze 4, and then a few of my blocks and compare the results. I am just not satisfied with the results I am getting and need to double check my testing system....

jaydee · 07-20-2003, 03:58 PM

I slapped on the jet block this morning with the mod above and it hasn't gained anything. Still about the same as the Maze 4. I have a few more ideas to ponder but not impressed so far....

t00lb0x · 07-20-2003, 04:50 PM

I wonde what might be going wrong, in theory it seems to work well but it doesn't seem to be that good. Its not bad temps though.

bigben2k · 07-20-2003, 05:12 PM

Not enough wall, not deep enough cups.

I think you'll start seeing results when you have a better base. Then you'll be able to tweak it, to get better performance.

jaydee · 07-20-2003, 07:03 PM

I think Ben has hit it pretty correctly. I will be adapting the design whenever I get a chance at work.

Today I made some use of my CNC mill:

Now to make the pins in the middle. Mill is doing OK, but it took a dozen passes just to get .20" deep with the 1/4" endmill.

t00lb0x · 07-20-2003, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jaydee116
I think Ben has hit it pretty correctly. I will be adapting the design whenever I get a chance at work.

Today I made some use of my CNC mill:

Now to make the pins in the middle. Mill is doing OK, but it took a dozen passes just to get .020 deep with the 1/4" endmill.

WoW, looks great I mean incredible. I bet it only took five minutes for you to make too

. If you put pins in the middle how would the water get from the pins to the maze part?

jaydee · 07-20-2003, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by t00lb0x
WoW, looks great I mean incredible. I bet it only took five minutes for you to make too . If you put pins in the middle how would the water get from the pins to the maze part?

Oh hell no. It took me about 3hrs. My mill is small and slow. I could have done it in about half the time with better tooling though.

It is just a Copper version of this:

The AL version is 1C better than the Maze 4.

t00lb0x · 07-20-2003, 07:21 PM

Oh really? Cuz you said you did your first one in like 5 minutes so I just assumed. If the alu version does better than the Maze4 the copper version should do even better

. Hope it works.

bigben2k · 07-20-2003, 07:47 PM

A q:

Is the baseplate thickness different in the copper lemonblock?

jaydee · 07-20-2003, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
A q:

Is the baseplate thickness different in the copper lemonblock?

Yes, pin height and over all height is different to. Will post another thread about it when I complete it.

Quote:

Originally posted by t00lb0x
Oh really? Cuz you said you did your first one in like 5 minutes so I just assumed. If the alu version does better than the Maze4 the copper version should do even better . Hope it works.

Not my first Lemon Block. it took hours to. I did all the REV 1-5 and these jet blocks in about 15 minutes each. The equipment I have at work is made for speed, my CNC mill is not. HUGE difference. The equipment I have at work however dosn't have the tooling to make one of my Lemon Blocks. I can get tooling to do it but it would cost about $70. I paid $6.00 for the tooling to do it on my mill.

hydrogen18 · 07-20-2003, 09:50 PM

looks interesting....

t00lb0x · 07-20-2003, 10:39 PM

It looks really good. Hope it works good.

jaydee · 07-20-2003, 10:56 PM

Well back to the topic at hand. Here is my plans for the next version of the Jet block.

The holes in the pic are a true 1/8" wide this time which will be done on my mill being I have it here now. The base with be 3/8" thick copper and the holes will go into it 1/8" leaving 1/16" of copper under the holes. Then after thats is tested I will try a 1/4" base ect...

The pipes will be the same as the last being that pretty much the limit for the laser. Any smaller and they just melt so I am pretty much limited to the specs above and will have to work with them.

t00lb0x · 07-20-2003, 11:02 PM

Looks good, now is that picture of the bottom or is it the placement of the blocks?

jaydee · 07-20-2003, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by t00lb0x
Looks good, now is that picture of the bottom or is it the placement of the blocks?

It's the general layout of the block. The bottom (base) will only have the holes in the middle (plus the screw holes and the 4 mounting holes which are on a seperate drawing). That was a snap shot from the Corel Draw 9 drawing which I will use when I get some free time on the laser at work.

07-19-2003, 11:00 AM	#105
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07-19-2003, 11:48 AM	#108
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	After 1 hour of CPU Burn (note temps are at equilibrium) the block Tuff suggested is: 26C air 31C water 43C TC 40.5 onboard. Ain't that a kick in the nuts.... Last edited by jaydee116; 07-19-2003 at 05:50 PM.

07-19-2003, 12:33 PM	#109
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	They are the same! shocking face I hope you fix the jets. __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

07-20-2003, 04:50 PM	#113
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	I wonde what might be going wrong, in theory it seems to work well but it doesn't seem to be that good. Its not bad temps though. __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

07-20-2003, 05:12 PM	#114
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Not enough wall, not deep enough cups. I think you'll start seeing results when you have a better base. Then you'll be able to tweak it, to get better performance. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-19-2003, 03:42 AM	#102
leejsmith Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: notts uk Posts: 408	looking good jaydee116, What is the ID of the tubes ?

07-19-2003, 06:48 AM	#103
JFettig Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Willmar MN/Fargo ND Posts: 504	Jaydee, I think I see where the problem is, I beleve you have too much restriction between the jets, It looks like water would not flow freely around them, Much too close. What size holes are those? Whats the spacing? If they are 1/8" holes and spaced so that its easy to make on my mill, maybe I could whip up one for a few bucks. -Edit- oops, jon is on drugs, Just got wisdom teeth out, didnt realize there is another page, leesmith already asked about the tubes. Jon

07-19-2003, 08:53 AM	#104
Tuff Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 141	JayDee...don't forget we want to see results without Jets aswell...Just using a center inlet. Tuff

07-19-2003, 11:11 AM	#106
Tuff Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 141	To mention Fries with a waterblock...not a good combo. Tuff

07-19-2003, 12:36 PM	#110
Tuff Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 141	If I might comment on WHY this might happen? Once the water hits the holes it becomes a jetstream of water within the Jet. I hope that makes sense to you. It's only a guess. Tuff

07-19-2003, 07:01 PM	#111
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	I went and picked up my mill. I just milled 1/64 around the pipes to they should actually go INTO the holes a little now. That should (in theory) increase the impingment effect as the water will be forced into the hole. Otherwise a lot of water can just escape through the gap. Sealing it up now and will see how it works out but first I am going to completely redo my tests. Going to test my Volcano 6cu+, the Maze 4, and then a few of my blocks and compare the results. I am just not satisfied with the results I am getting and need to double check my testing system....

07-20-2003, 03:58 PM	#112
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	I slapped on the jet block this morning with the mod above and it hasn't gained anything. Still about the same as the Maze 4. I have a few more ideas to ponder but not impressed so far....

07-20-2003, 07:03 PM	#115
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	I think Ben has hit it pretty correctly. I will be adapting the design whenever I get a chance at work. Today I made some use of my CNC mill: Now to make the pins in the middle. Mill is doing OK, but it took a dozen passes just to get .20" deep with the 1/4" endmill. Last edited by jaydee116; 07-20-2003 at 09:39 PM.

07-20-2003, 07:21 PM	#118
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	Oh really? Cuz you said you did your first one in like 5 minutes so I just assumed. If the alu version does better than the Maze4 the copper version should do even better . Hope it works. __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

07-20-2003, 07:47 PM	#119
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	A q: Is the baseplate thickness different in the copper lemonblock? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-20-2003, 09:50 PM	#121
hydrogen18 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: USA Posts: 248	looks interesting....

07-20-2003, 10:39 PM	#122
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	It looks really good. Hope it works good. __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

07-20-2003, 11:02 PM	#124
t00lb0x Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: In a box Posts: 221	Looks good, now is that picture of the bottom or is it the placement of the blocks? __________________ "If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with bullshit"

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