New dangerden block

[Cathar]

Someone at OCAU raised an interesting point. The body of the block is about 30mm wide, which is fine for a P4, but doesn't cover the whole of an Opteron IHS, which is 40x40mm.

Not that this matter a great deal in terms of heat-spread, but it's something which customers are going to start asking when looking at their new block that doesn't cover all of their new CPU.

[pHaestus]

Does it hit the AMD socket pads on Bartons even? I would assume so or else you'd think Player0 would have mentioned that already.

[Cathar]

Originally posted by pHaestus
Does it hit the AMD socket pads on Bartons even? I would assume so or else you'd think Player0 would have mentioned that already.

*picks up Barton XP2800+ sitting next to self and a ruler*

The pads are 29mm apart from inside edge to inside edge. It would just touch on a 0.5mm wide segment of each of the 6mm diameter pads.

[pHaestus]

So you are saying this is a P4 block then

[Cathar]

Originally posted by pHaestus
So you are saying this is a P4 block then

It's not my place to say anything about a block that doesn't make use of the anti-core-crush safety pads that AMD put on their CPUs to reduce the risk of core damage. That's something that reviewer without bias would point out as a normal course of assessing a product, especially with the added rotational tubing torque that can occur with the 3-barb system.

[UberBlue]

[jaydee]

Thats got cracked core written all over it.

[pHaestus]

Kinda puts the statement that Player0 mounted it 2 times to thoroughly test it out into perspective. I can't imagine it'd be trivial to get good reproducibility w/o the pads. I don't know if I'd run a block like that or not. One twist of the hose and you could be in trouble with the core...

I HOPE they are including pads to stick under the block with it? This is a pretty big snafu I would think.

[UberBlue]

Originally posted by pHaestus
I HOPE they are including pads to stick under the block with it? This is a pretty big snafu I would think.

Wouldn't a shim be a better option? Moving the pads closer to the axis of rotation would require firmer pads to keep the the same amount of support.

[Joe]

ARRRGH... just when I thought the topic of shims would be dead... they keep coming back!!! hehehehe

This thread rocks, even has an argument about who invented pins and fins... doesnt get any better than that!

The block Looks nice, but because I lack the big ben testing equiptment (the special calibrated eyes), I cant tell how it would work. the fact that it is such a deliberate copy of Cathar's design is sorta shitty... but gotta love capitolism... someones getting money off someone elses work.

Oh well. good thread though, when do we get to talk about who invented water? pretty sure thats a swiftech thing also hehehe j/k

[Cathar]

From review @ modfathers

Once again this is not the first block to exploit BillA's nozzling, this was done with the Cascade and before that (and in fact BillA's article) The Evolution by Logic Cooling. With the Cascade you are limitted to one configuration which in some ways completely defeats the point of taking this pathway. The Evolution as you can see does have the advantage of allowing changable nozzles; it is the very easy and flexable application of this technology in the Danger Den that has to be the winner. I however can't wait to give the sprayhead a go.

I think it's pretty clear that the reviewer has the Cascade mixed up with the White Water. When he says Cascade, he's really meaning to say White Water. His historical time-line is also awry, as the White Water with its nozzle pre-dates the Logic Cooling Evolution.

The Cascade does not have a nozzle. It has a honeycombed array of mini-jets that nestle inside each cup. There is no customisation to be had here. If the reviewer can think of a way in which such can be customised in a way that is even remotely useful to the consumer, I'd like to hear it.

[Edit: spelling errors]

[BillA]

no Joe
just hydrogen and oxygen, someone ripped them off and spilled them together
not us by golly !

[jaydee]

Originally posted by Joe


This thread rocks, even has an argument about who invented pins and fins... doesnt get any better than that!

I will get in on this.
About 18 months ago:

Which led to
About 13 months ago:

Which led to:

Which led to:


Yup, I am just some smuck that drilled a couple holes in a block of copper and call myself an expert.

Originally posted by Player0

Someone like you drills a couple holes in a piece of copper and call himself an expert.

[#Rotor]

want to see an adjustible water-block.....



no silly, of coarse it doesn't do squat for performance... but it looks cool, and the idea sounds cool, and that's what people will shell out for......

hmmm the remote controlled adjustable waterblock....
now where getting somewhere....

[pHaestus]

#rotor:

Needs more blue LEDs.

Sincerely
pHaestus

P.S. Did you get my check? I forgot all about it and finally sent it a week or so ago.

[#Rotor]

[jk]
for sure.... it's going to be infra-red remote-control LED's though.... so not only will they look cool... they will be there for a reason....

I love things that has dual perpose in its life, It's as if I always get a bargain, when using them

[/jk]

[Joe]

Originally posted by unregistered
no Joe
just hydrogen and oxygen, someone ripped them off and spilled them together
not us by golly !

hahahaha

[Player0]

Does it hit the AMD socket pads on Bartons even? I would assume so or else you'd think Player0 would have mentioned that already.

It's not really making good use of the pads no. The mounting is a little weary on the AMD. Because of it's size, it doesnt feel as 'stable' as the other blocks.

Kinda puts the statement that Player0 mounted it 2 times to thoroughly test it out into perspective. I can't imagine it'd be trivial to get good reproducibility w/o the pads. I don't know if I'd run a block like that or not. One twist of the hose and you could be in trouble with the core...

Ive mounted a few more times since. It does touch the pads a little, but I'm real careful not to move this one around too much. I dont need any cracked cores. Its definitely an issue.

Someone at OCAU raised an interesting point. The body of the block is about 30mm wide, which is fine for a P4, but doesn't cover the whole of an Opteron IHS, which is 40x40mm.

Thats a good observation, I wonder if it would impact performance?

[UnloadeD]

Well I posed this question on another thread, what do you guys think? BTW Player0 could you post some decent pics of the inside of your block, similar to the ones on modfather site? I'd like to compare the toolmarks......

One thing I'm curious about....I'm wondering if that block isn't molded instead of completely machined. This would greatly reduce the cost of producing them after the intial outlay of cash. I know there are what seems to be toolmarks on the block from the review pics, but these could easily be carried over from marks on the mold. You guys that would know, please take a close look at the pics with that in mind. Specially the closeup of the VOID sticker. Ya see how the profile is beveled a bit, and bigger at the top 1/3? I can't even remotely imagine a reason why that would be done. It would also explain why they bead blasted the whole thing and then possibly tapped the holes and finished the bottom. Like I said, I'm jjust curious about this and wonder what you guys think. Also I remember reading about copper having different thermal properties depending on if it was cold rolled or molded. I can't remember how they compared with each other though.


peace.
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[Player0]

My digicam sucks, it doesnt take very good close ups I'm afraid, they always come out blurry.

It's definitely machined, they had real trouble getting the milling program right for it. They still ruin a block every now and again from what I heard.

[satanicoo]

It definitely doesnt look easy to mill.

[#Rotor]

whatever you guys have to say about the MF website, I have to absolutely give them credit for the way they handled the sticker on the side of the block.... that just cracked me up...

crack.... ehww not a good word to use here...

[Player0]

My stickers promptly fell off after getting anti-freeze on the block

[TerraMex]

#Rotor : Haha.

Anyway , er, so ... if you're supposed to use/buy different nozzles , but you can't open the block without voiding the warranty ... I am missing something ? Why sell different nozzles separately ?

Unless you're supposed to buy the "correct" one on instinct ... "Big Ben's Calibrated Eye System" should really come in handy then.

J/k Ben.

[HMB]

Looks like a nice block, too bad about it not touching the anticrushpads. And about DD ripping off cathar.. hey I've seen craisier shit in the big ol US of A. Cant understand why u get so angry. I think cathar should be proud of bringing so much to the WC-community. And I will definately buy the WW when someone buys my frigging prometeia.