...water to momentarily stagnate and fully absorb the heat

[BillA]

anyone know the e-mail addy of the movin' screw at xtremeresources ?
I attempted to send an e-mail to admin@xtremeresources.com and it bounced

yea, the guy is as dumb as a rock
see, how easy it is to slander a rock

EDIT
xtremeresources

[pHaestus]

Xtremesystems doesnt have anything to do with this. The site in question is xtremeresources (an offshoot). Hardass on their forums was the guy to move the thread to the admin section. I don't have any hard feelings towards the admins over at xtremeresources; they have been very apologetic about this whole ordeal and are just as baffled as I am. PM incoming Bill

[gone_fishin]

That is the biggest sadsack case of human existance I have yet run into over the net.
Did anyone read his short autobiography at that other site? LMFAO
No education, white powder freak, which naturaly leads to a PHD in philosophy, LMAO...sorry .......which in turn gives way to a natural self comparison to Socrates and Galileo. For a nice ending touch, we must all sympathize with him for having a disability and if that doesn't do it, he's also terminally ill.

Who eats this garbage? http://www.madshrimps.be/forums/show...&threadid=4062

[pHaestus]

Oh come on now didn't you at least learn something about Galileo from this G_F?

[Cathar]

Why is it that all the action goes down while I'm drooling on my pillow?

I missed the updates to the xtreme thread and now it's gone. (sniff)

It was morbidly enjoyable like sneaking an occasional peak at one of the soap-dramas my wife watches when there's some horribly dramatic affair occurring.

[satanicoo]

Dont get mad at me, but im still laughting about this whole situation... absurd!

[jlrii]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

haha looks like my slanderizing is gonna get me sued



yawn

Yawn...doesn't someone have to illustrate some sort of loss to sue. IMO he has gained....most people pay to get schooled . Severe ownage, almost has me cringing LOL

[BillA]

"There are many articles which bother me, many where the results were fabricated."

now you know who you can trust GF

the fool knows nothing about Socrates, who chose death
an idiot with delusions

[BalefireX]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

Shakespeare gets me banned from [H]

A story for another time, perhaps, but one I would be interested to hear...

Anyway, lets talk libel. Slander is simply the wrong term, since it refers to oral statements and gestures - kinda tough over the internet.

Bill's statements don't count as Libel, because they are insulting/offensive, but do not actually harm Liquid3D's reputation. He is free to call L3D a $#!&head to his heart's content without fear of legal action.

pHaestus is also not guilty of libel either, because a major criteria is that the defamation is false. To the best of my knowledge, none of the comments made about Liquid3D by pHaestus were false, or even particularly harmful, except to his pride.

Jurisdiction would likely be Civil Court in Los Angeles County, California, as that is where the xtremeresources Forum is hosted, or Civil Court in Houston, Texas, as that is the location of the Procooling servers (Assuming Liquid3D was pressing charges based on statements made on this site)

Again - I don't feel that legal action by either side would be particularly helpful or successful.

[pHaestus]

From PMs I have received from liquid3d I believe that he feels I am responsible for hurting his future as a hardware reviewer. I am not planning on filing any law suits at all. I for one welcome any legal action by liquid3d as it would result in a free trip to Los Angeles or Houston. When the case is dismissed then I would be entitled to court costs (air fare, hotel, and beers). Hell if the suit includes Swiftech, BillA, Cathar, Procooling (Joe), and me then maybe a few of you guys will also want to come visit!

[BillA]

collection might be a tad difficult, sounds like he is judgment proof
-> and why he feels so free to threaten

I vote for LA, or Houston (see how easy I am ?)
whee, good times a-comin'

idea ?
why not have regional procooling 'meetings' ?
("Beer Cooling; Its all in the bubbles")

[jaydee]

Jaydee is sometimes pretty rude with people

I find my name thrown around yet again. Sure I can be rude sometimes but IMO with the Liquid3D issue it was more of a "pride being bent" issue. I re-read the threads several times and just fail to find anything I would have done different.

The net seems to be full of people who cannot handle the harshness of the REAL world. Everyone wants to be "happy happy joy joy" and expect to get that treatment even when they are completly full of shit and writting articles that are full of mis-information and just simply badly done.

I am not sorry I have little feeling for these people and cannot kiss their ass. Just isn't my thing. I am the same in the "real world" aswell but have been much more sucessfull with this "style" in the real world. I am a crew leader for a construction company and got the job because I don't take any BS. If I were to allow people to bull shit me I would not get anything usefull done on the job. I feel the same for these articles on the net. If I am to let them bull shit me then nothing usefull will get done in their articles. The only problem I have found with this theory is I can't fire anyone on the net for writting a bad article and no one seems to have the balls to do it on some of these sites or those that are in a position to fire someone dosn't have the knowledge to know they are getting bull shitted.

The net is about the only place this kind of thing would be tolerated because their is no higher power to put the hammer down. The people have to start realizing that they are the one's that need to step up and put the hammer down so a lot of this stuff stops becoming public. I feel that the people that makeup ProCooling have a similar belief as this is the reason I continue to hang around here and is now the only forum I visit. Onlytime I visit another forum is when someone links a thread were I or ProCooling gets complained about.

Liquid3D needs to understand HE is hurting his OWN future as a hardware reviewer. Not the people that call him on his ignorance/bull shit.

[BalefireX]

Oh, I think Los Angeles is a much better destination - the beaches, the girls, the weather, and I know an Assistant District Attorney there

[Cathar]

I say Hawaii. Middle ground for all of us. I can even bring the wife'n'kids.

[Cathar]

Originally Posted by jaydee116

Liquid3D needs to understand HE is hurting his OWN future as a hardware reviewer. Not the people that call him on his ignorance/bull shit.

What? ...and accept responsibility for one's own actions?

Surely you jest. That's just not the value system by which people today are brought up. It's always someone else's fault!

"I'm gonna sue them all, because I did something stupid and they saw me do it !"

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

From PMs I have received from liquid3d I believe that he feels I am responsible for hurting his future as a hardware reviewer. I am not planning on filing any law suits at all. I for one welcome any legal action by liquid3d as it would result in a free trip to Los Angeles or Houston. When the case is dismissed then I would be entitled to court costs (air fare, hotel, and beers). Hell if the suit includes Swiftech, BillA, Cathar, Procooling (Joe), and me then maybe a few of you guys will also want to come visit!

Hey I just thought of something. I DO represent CustomCooledPC.com as that is my site. Maybe I can get in on this to! I feel an article a brewing. After all I made the Cascade for Cathar right?

Maybe he is the one that is "whoising" my domain name. Yes it does show up in my stats.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by Cathar

What? ...and accept responsibility for one's own actions?

Surely you jest. That's just not the value system by which people today are brought up. It's always someone else's fault!

"I'm gonna sue them all, because I did something stupid and they saw me do it!"

That is sig material!

[gone_fishin]

Originally Posted by unregistered

"There are many articles which bother me, many where the results were fabricated."

now you know who you can trust GF

the fool knows nothing about Socrates, who chose death
an idiot with delusions

And this jewel for dumpster Nobelists,

"a true Scientist is someone whom loves science, and will forge ahead no matter their "budget." "

[Joe]

I tell ya the 2 threads in both forums were by far some of the funniest reading I have had in some time... L3D and jmke have made my vacation worth it now Thanks guys!

Also I don’t see anything in this thread or what I read of the truextreme thread as Slanderous or Libel. See now if I were to post something about someone molesting sheep for a hobby, or saying he does more drugs than a rodie for motorhead... that could be considered libel if I was talking about anyone in particular. I mean to say that some person in the 3rd dimension loves to dress up like a school girl and be fed shit sammiches while being drilled in the bum by random homeless guys... that would just go over the line.

So you can see there is a clear line here that wasn’t crossed in any of the posts on either forum

Edit: Also I forgot the most important part - its only libel or slander if it isnt true.

hehe as if this was the first time ProCooling was threatened to be sued...

[pHaestus]

As an aside, I just noticed that MadShrimps seems to just slap the word "Preview" on things instead of "review". Look at the byline:

"We take an in-depth look at the latest water block from Danger Den; the TDX features the same performance increasing nozzles as the RBX but improves on its design. Tested on an Athlon 64 setup we take a look at what it can do!"

Doesnt sound like a preview really. It looks like the other reviews on the site; it is a preview until the proforums finishes critiquing it I guess?

[BalefireX]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

Doesnt sound like a preview really. It looks like the other reviews on the site; it is a preview until the proforums finishes critiquing it I guess?

It is a preview pending legal advice.

[jmke]

*gone* *

Joe "hehe as if this was the first time ProCooling was threatened to be sued..."
jaydee116:"Sure I can be rude sometimes "
Cathar:"It was morbidly enjoyable like sneaking an occasional peak at one of the soap-dramas my wife watches when there's some horribly dramatic affair occurring"
gone_fishing:"That is the biggest sadsack case of human existance I have yet run into over the net."
pHaestus:"Ah I didn't realize you were also a moderator at that forum jmke."
jaydee116:"What does it matter if they are on your site or not. Fact is they are OUT THERE! That should be enough for you not to use his reviews"

[WAJ_UK]

edit

deleted silly post that was off topic and misunderstood

[gone_fishin]

Originally Posted by WAJ_UK

Apparantly I'm like Plato


well, what is.......................... flattering oneself ?

Anyone can do that.....

[pHaestus]

jmke I am surprised you'd want to turn liquid3d into a martyr over this. The facts are clear:

He called the credibility of my tests and website into question
I demanded he retract those statements
He refused to do so repeatedly
He ultimately was made to see the wisdom of doing so
He then threatened legal action on me for damaging his reputation by protecting my own

It's not my fault he tried to tarnish my credibility and instead was harmed. I mean if you make shit up you have to expect that eventually it'll burn you. The question of WTF would someone go off the rails like this has come up. It is proposed that l3d made this up because he is angry at Cathar for not giving him a free Cascade, and of course at me for impuning his language skills and writing. The posts he's made seem to be consistent with this but I don't honestly know what would make him act the way he has. In any case, there's a pattern here of twisting reality to suit his purposes. From this mfgrs could readily draw their own conclusions about liquid3d. MANY water cooling mfgrs read this forum (not just the ones who register and post here). liquid3d made his bed and now can lie in it as far as I am concerned.