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02-25-2005, 04:15 PM | #101 |
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War is profitable. Very.
It is in the best interests of a few powerful people, for the USA to be waging war. WWII, ended. War on Communism. Communism collapsed, oh no, we need a new enemy. Drug cartels! Lost that war, so lets fight terrorism. |
02-25-2005, 04:55 PM | #102 |
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[quote=jaydee116]Even if it was USA pro propaganda this IS a USA based site.
can i use this one as a quotation ?? |
02-25-2005, 05:17 PM | #103 | |
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some of the things happening on 911 seem to organized... http://www.policestate21.com/ don't take my word for it.
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02-25-2005, 05:19 PM | #104 | |
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maybe we should change it to USWW
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02-25-2005, 05:21 PM | #105 |
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I've seen websites dedicated to the moon landing being faked too. And I'm sure there are thousands of "extraterrestrials live among us" websites too. Doesn't make it so.
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02-25-2005, 05:33 PM | #106 | |
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just something to think about...
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It’s nice to think that war is never the answer but I think you are naive if you think that well run well organized dictatorships can’t totally suppress democracy. Example look at North Korea, honestly do you think that state will fail from the inside. People have been litterly eating bark and grass in that country for years and yet no popular up rising. Why not? BillA has it right; we (all free nations) have an obligation to help people in the pursuit of democracy. That does not mean we have to go to war each situation will requrie it own solution. |
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02-25-2005, 06:29 PM | #108 | |
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02-25-2005, 06:36 PM | #109 |
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I realize calling afganastan and iraq shitholes might be " ", but that doesnt mean it's not true. Would you want to go live with your family in Afganastan or Iraq? Why not? Because its a shithole, thatswhy.
I know Iraq was once a 1st world country. As the old saying went, "Books are printed in Egypt, and read in Iraq." Unfortunately, today it is notthe same Iraq. Today it is a shithole. Saying or admiting to that might piss people off, but only because its true. So lets not sugur coat things and call it how it is, shall we?
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02-25-2005, 06:46 PM | #110 | |
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- if you weren´t a well intentioned democracy do you really believe that all the other countries in this world would remain numb, and let it all be? - if "well intentioned democracies" exists, then ill intentioned democracies must also exist, which means that democracy isn't a value per se. So, why are you using "democracy" as an absolute value if you can change it's features? |
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02-25-2005, 07:12 PM | #111 |
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the structure has value though its shape may vary
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02-25-2005, 07:52 PM | #112 |
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and how do we know that our shape is the right, or good, shape? What do we compare to/against?
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02-25-2005, 07:56 PM | #113 | |
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02-25-2005, 07:59 PM | #114 |
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and since GW is dog's prophet, anything he says is right and must be followed without question, for it is the word of the lord our dog, scruffy.
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02-25-2005, 08:33 PM | #115 |
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woof, woof and pass the kibble
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02-25-2005, 08:34 PM | #116 | |
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02-26-2005, 04:10 AM | #117 | |
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Yes, is the answer to your first question. History has shown that you would stand idly by. Kosovo is a prime example with out our leadership you would have let the genocide continue. Perhaps you should be equally as critical of the US for our intervention in your back yard. Further, we have seen other cases where the very word genocide was not used in order to avoid the necessity for force. The truth is that you have and will give up one another to protect your own skin. Honestly it often seems that the British are the only one among you who will stand on principal. In answer to your second question. Yes, you have two premises and a conclusion thus a logical argument. I know you are an ESL guy so just add the conjunction ‘and’ to the sentence so that we can avoid this fallacy. |
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02-26-2005, 05:59 AM | #118 | |
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OK, look at all those third-world nations. Look at the resources they sit on: minerals, ores, oil, agriculture. Often too poor to exploit these for themselves, sometimes unwilling to trade with the West on political grounds (or vice-versa). Wouldn't we want to get our hands on those, hmmm? The Western economy that supports our relatively wealthy lifestyle is a hungry beast. It needs feeding, or it will, in the end, collapse. So what do we do? We engineer there to be governments in those resource-rich countries that will trade with us (and of course, on terms that work very well for us). There are many political ways to do this, but war is one of them. Conflict investment asks two questions: in a politically unstable country, lots of civil conflict going on etc., which party is likely to win? And if they do, will they pay? We back the one that is likely to do business with us. We support them with weapons, resources, intelligence or by turning a blind eye. War is a means of making sure that a country ends up with a government that is willing to let its resources be exploited by us. Of course those parties know this as well, and may "advertise" their willingness to engage in such a "business relationship" through their political ideology. As such we know that fundamentally religious or communist factions will look at the Middle East or Communist nations respectively, while Capitalistically inclined factions will be courting us. Of course strategic interests come into play as well, but if you get down to it, this is again about economic control. Just as we back one faction, competitor nations may be backing another. If you look at the tremendous ammount of weapons and resources that are poured into such conflicts for years on end, you get to appreciate just how hungry and demanding our economies and associated lifestyles are. I'm not saying that Western Governments are purely motivated by economic considerations, but they do play an important role. They do have their own business interests and investments. They do have their sponsors and backers (I mean, it makes sense that they would try to influence the political process, wouldn't it?). And an unhappy economy means unhappy voters (i.e. us).
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02-26-2005, 09:50 AM | #119 | |
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Loosing billions, then forgiving any debt that was to be paid off by the oil itself is not well descriptive of war for econimic exploitation. Its like buying an entire airline so you can use your frequent flyer miles to get to the Bahamas.
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02-26-2005, 02:56 PM | #124 | |
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Honestly, my republic doesn't even have the continuity to fix long term internal problems. Two, four and six year periods respective of office are all you get. Planning for most policy ten, twenty or thirty years down the road is almost imposable in a democracy; the policy makers are only concerned about the next election. It’s one of the few but significant failings of all modern democratic governments. |
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02-26-2005, 06:06 PM | #125 | |
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It seems that we are diverging from the main issue here that is your question, and it seems evident that you're tyring to funnel this issue leading it to a military action. Well Democracy isn't incompatible with military actions (as in forging one) but the decision of establishing a democracy belongs to the people and not to the military,that is to say it's a political decision (wider meaning of this word) and not a military one. As for the Britains being the principal, this headline hasn't any bearing at all on this issue by the way - Star Wars deal places US missiles on UK soil?(http://www.cndyorks.gn.apc.org/yspac...iles_in_uk.htm) As for the Kosovo, you're right, there shouldn't be any need for the U.S. to intervene in there, should the European states be more cohesive, that has been and allways be the doom of Europe, and it shows the need more than ever to have a joint army composed of all the E.U. states. The question is: does the U.S. sees it with good eyes? |
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