I'm a fat bastard: time to go on a diet - Page 7

pHaestus · 10-06-2003, 02:16 PM

I have never figured out why MDs make such a big deal out of being called "Dr.". I could do the same, but prefer people call me Derek. *shrugs*

Phant0m51 · 10-06-2003, 02:23 PM

Well I couldn't do the Atkins diet (had my Gal Bladder out, and all that meat was giving me severe cramping) so I've started my own diet. I eat 5 small meals a day, equaling + - 2000 Calories. The smaller meals have made my stomach shrink, so I don't eat as much anyway. My metabolism has gone up, and I haven't added any extra exercise.

So far I'm losing 3 lb's a week and don't have to eat anything special. I just drink plenty of fluids. I'm going to add in some extra exercises, more for Cardio Vascular, than weight loss.

airspirit · 10-06-2003, 03:56 PM

(I was kidding about the Dr. thing, if you couldn't tell, hehe).

Yeah, that's a problem. The gall bladder is important for processing fat. Oddly, it will be kept extremely healthy if you eat plenty of fat, but if you don't have it you are screwed for this kind of diet. That and diabetic ketonosis are two of the major disqulifiers for this diet.

Joe · 10-06-2003, 04:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by airspirit
That's DOCTOR Atkins to you, HEATHEN! WAOR!

LOL!

if only they had a title for scam artists.....

Doctor... hahaha Yeh well, I hardly call real doctors doctor... I totally dont call Ph.D's Docs ever, and I know 3 of them now (pH being one). I figure a Doctor is a dude who helps me get over the flu or something... not some dude schilling on TV late nights some Fad diet

heheh

Joe · 10-06-2003, 04:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pHaestus
I have never figured out why MDs make such a big deal out of being called "Dr.". I could do the same, but prefer people call me Derek. *shrugs*

yeh if you insisted to be called doctor... I am sure so many other bad things would come form that

I know I could have some fun!

maxim · 10-06-2003, 04:32 PM

eating more often and in small amounts not only shrinks your stomach, but also increases metabolism! and that's exactly what makes you lose fat for good. spicy food also increases metabolism. fruit and veggies decrease it, however!

pHaestus · 10-08-2003, 11:30 AM

Rolling right along now. 9 days in and 9 lbs lighter. I have taken to eating the flax seeds with salads; not too bad. I am not really having any problem staying on this diet and it does seem to be working. Pants that were tight are just right again, and I think my blood sugar levels must be pretty stable because I am not getting hungry or tired during the day anymore. I am back to sleeping less too thankfully. I'll probably stay on induction but add in a cup or two of coffee and the occasional evening beer after 2 weeks is up.

Phant0m51 · 10-08-2003, 02:16 PM

So...how much sleep do you guys get with the Atkins diet? I don't sleep much, ever. I usually go with 2-3 hours of sleep a night, with 6 hours of sleep or less on weekends (total hours a night).

pHaestus · 10-08-2003, 02:23 PM

5-6 now but I am not drinking any coffee either. About the same as I was getting before drinking a ton of coffee. The big difference I am seeing is that before I would still be sound asleep when alarm went off, hit it a few times, and then be rushed getting ready. Now I am usually waking up before the alarm every day and can just pop out of bed. Your mileage may vary of course. I can't sustain less than 4 hours sleep for any length of time. 2-3 hours is crazy!

airspirit · 10-08-2003, 04:03 PM

I told you, pH: your body does adjust. If you are having good success without the coffee it may be time for you to consider dropping it altogether ... it doesn't do you any good, that's for sure. If you don't need it then why drink it?

I've grown used to beating the alarm clock in the morning ... it almost never has a chance to go off because I wake up 20 minutes early now. I rarely if ever have any caffiene intake anymore. I think I'm better for it.

Just wait until your used-to-be-tight pants need a sturdy belt to cinch them closed. It won't take too much longer. I dropped over two inches in my first two weeks.

airspirit · 10-09-2003, 04:34 PM

Check out the back cover of the Oct 13 issue of Time for a surprise. This will help you, pH.

drummingpariah · 10-31-2003, 08:20 AM

ok guys you've convinced me.... i'm gonna get healthy too.
my situation's a bit different though. i'm a shorter guy, 5'7", and about 135lbs. so my plan is to put on some weight, but in the right places. of course i could just start working out, but what do you guys suggest? or where do you suggest looking for some good info? everyone here seems pretty well informed, especially airspirit. anything's appreciated.

thanx

pHaestus · 10-31-2003, 10:05 AM

Might as well give an update: Down 20 lbs after 30 days. I went off diet (kinda) in Madison last weekend and drank a ton of beer on Friday and Saturday. I tried to otherwise stick reasonably close to Atkins though. Over the weekend I had gained one whole lb which dropped back off on Monday. Then this week I have been just dropping weight like a rock: 5 lbs in 5 days! I had initially thought I'd stop at 200 lbs (what I weighed when I got married) but now I am thinking 185 is easily attainable. That's what I weighed the last time I didn't feel at all overweight (maybe 1995?).

This is with nothing but strict atkins diet and walking up and down the stairs at work whenever I need to go somewhere (5th floor). I am feeling a lot more energetic though now and plan to start doing some more rigorous exercising whenever I start adding more carbs back.

BillA · 10-31-2003, 10:32 AM

go for it
I'm at my target of 175, now the hard part
- actually getting an exercise program going as I add carbs
I never have been able to sustain this exercise bit

pHaestus · 10-31-2003, 11:56 AM

The only thing that's ever really stuck for me is exercise bike + reading material. I can actually get caught up on journal articles and other technical issues while I ride for 20-30 minutes.

BillA · 10-31-2003, 12:03 PM

not a bad idea at all
and those bikes are always available used too
hmmm

pHaestus · 10-31-2003, 12:12 PM

Yea I found one by dumpster at apartment complex once that just needed some bearing grease and a little loving on the brake mechanism that adjusts the resistance. But it didn't make the move to Canada unfortunately.

airspirit · 10-31-2003, 12:59 PM

If you are trying to combine a weight gaining regimin with this diet you will need to take a few precautions to prevent muscle damage at the beginning. First you will need to go on two weeks of induction. This is designed to fully convert your body into a fat burning machine, and will ensure that you have no residual glucose left to burn ... it also will ensure that your muscles are fully accustomed to ketosis and that you as a person will be comfortable. You will literally feel and function differently. On those occasional times I go too high on carbs anymore it feels like I'm on crack ... when in ketosis you have a more calm and sure muscle response. It is something that is hard to explain but something you will understand during induction.

To start, you will need to set a date. On that date, all carb consumption will cease ... hehe. You need to stay under 20 carbs per day, and these need to be the right type (i.e. the right fruits and vegetables). Stay at it for two weeks. Toward the end of week two, start taking a protien supplement IN ADDITION to your diet to ensure that you will have the right amino acids available for protien development. MAKE SURE THIS DOES NOT CONTAIN AN IRON SUPPLEMENT. Also, you should be taking multivitamins (WITHOUT IRON) throughout to promote good health. After the two weeks are done, ease into a weight lifting routine and start gradually increasing your carb count with GOOD carbs (no sugar, starches, processed grains, etc) to around 40-50 (YRMV). This raise in carb counts will help replace the small amounts of protien burnt via glucogenesis and will enhance your muscle growth.

First off, though, do some research on the diet to ensure you know what you're getting in to. It's not for everyone ... especially if you're a bread/pasta fanatic.

drummingpariah · 10-31-2003, 03:19 PM

well i didnt even mean with the diet. i am a bread/pasta fanatic. my average food intake for the day is as follows:

breakfast(1 day's worth)
box of cereal, 1/2 dozen bagels, leftover lasagna/spaghetti/whatever pasta, cereal bars, a gallon of orange juice, a couple apples/oranges/tomatoes/whatever's colorful and juicy

brunch(in addition to breakfast)
gallon of orange juice, donuts, a container of yogurt

lunch
2/3 roast beef wraps/sandwiches, gallon of water/milk, quick pasta(simple stuff like spaghetti), muffins, some kind of fruit, some kind of snack food that i can find(chips, etc)

dinner
steak.

i'm just looking for a good exercise routine that's cheap, and maybe some key foods to look for for weight gain(in a healthy way)

thx

airspirit · 10-31-2003, 03:34 PM

Er, then just take a protien supplement (full amino range) and hit the gym. *shrugs*

drummingpariah · 10-31-2003, 03:43 PM

lol, sounds like a plan. i guess... lol you responded quick! thanks man, im gonna see if i can find a workout buddy now. its just not fun by yourself.

drummingpariah · 11-07-2003, 07:54 PM

just got my subscription to one of the local gyms and got myself a workout buddy, 6 days a week, broken up into upper and lower body workouts. we're starting tomorrow morning at 8:00. oh man, this thread is gonna break the "computer geek" stereotypical body. lol BREAK THE CYCLE!

Tempus · 11-17-2003, 10:05 AM

I know the book says that caffine is a bad thing for this diet.

why is that? And how serious is the restriction? I've decide to restart on it. I did the atkins for about 2 months and lost ~25 lbs.

Got off it for 2 months and kept the weight off. now I'm going to get back on and try for 10-15 more lbs by Xmas.

I kept drinking diet coke/diet Mt dew last time and it didn't seem to affect the weight loss. I'm willing to go with out now but I'm curious about why the diet has that restriction.

pHaestus · 11-17-2003, 10:08 AM

It has to do with the regulation of blood sugar/insulin levels. Atkins only says to go totally without caffeine during induction anyway.

I have a cup of coffee on occasion now (when I need it) but don't really miss it too much.

mad mikee · 11-17-2003, 11:04 AM

Started at 207, now at 190 after about a month. Just made up some quick concoctions for breakfast and lunch for the week.
Eggs (no Cholesterol), turkey, onions, garlic, olive oil, a touch of horseradish, some of the gelatin from the bottom of the pan for the Rotissirie Chicken I got at grocer this weekend (very little fat, think of cold homemade chicken soup in the fridge) and stir-fry vegies (the okay kinds), about 3/4 cup of oat bran (Fiber) w/ a slice of sharp cheddar on the top for breakfast (made 8 servings in about 1/2 hour. 1 chicken + 1 turkey sausage covered w/ another slice of cheddar (had to finish the package!) for lunch. Salads for dinner. Eating nuts for snacks along w/ cheese sticks and cottage cheese. Check out chocovic for great low-carb real chocolate. Now to find some droste unsweeted cocoa (Need more antioxidants!)

10-06-2003, 03:56 PM	#153
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	(I was kidding about the Dr. thing, if you couldn't tell, hehe). Yeah, that's a problem. The gall bladder is important for processing fat. Oddly, it will be kept extremely healthy if you eat plenty of fat, but if you don't have it you are screwed for this kind of diet. That and diabetic ketonosis are two of the major disqulifiers for this diet. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

10-06-2003, 04:32 PM	#156
maxim Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: VA Tech Posts: 111	eating more often and in small amounts not only shrinks your stomach, but also increases metabolism! and that's exactly what makes you lose fat for good. spicy food also increases metabolism. fruit and veggies decrease it, however! __________________ 1700@2050 (205x10@2.0v) Abit NF7-S rev2.0 3x 512 Corsair XMS3200C2 11-3-3-2 ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 128MB

10-08-2003, 04:03 PM	#160
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	I told you, pH: your body does adjust. If you are having good success without the coffee it may be time for you to consider dropping it altogether ... it doesn't do you any good, that's for sure. If you don't need it then why drink it? I've grown used to beating the alarm clock in the morning ... it almost never has a chance to go off because I wake up 20 minutes early now. I rarely if ever have any caffiene intake anymore. I think I'm better for it. Just wait until your used-to-be-tight pants need a sturdy belt to cinch them closed. It won't take too much longer. I dropped over two inches in my first two weeks. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

10-09-2003, 04:34 PM	#161
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Check out the back cover of the Oct 13 issue of Time for a surprise. This will help you, pH. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

10-31-2003, 12:59 PM	#168
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	If you are trying to combine a weight gaining regimin with this diet you will need to take a few precautions to prevent muscle damage at the beginning. First you will need to go on two weeks of induction. This is designed to fully convert your body into a fat burning machine, and will ensure that you have no residual glucose left to burn ... it also will ensure that your muscles are fully accustomed to ketosis and that you as a person will be comfortable. You will literally feel and function differently. On those occasional times I go too high on carbs anymore it feels like I'm on crack ... when in ketosis you have a more calm and sure muscle response. It is something that is hard to explain but something you will understand during induction. To start, you will need to set a date. On that date, all carb consumption will cease ... hehe. You need to stay under 20 carbs per day, and these need to be the right type (i.e. the right fruits and vegetables). Stay at it for two weeks. Toward the end of week two, start taking a protien supplement IN ADDITION to your diet to ensure that you will have the right amino acids available for protien development. MAKE SURE THIS DOES NOT CONTAIN AN IRON SUPPLEMENT. Also, you should be taking multivitamins (WITHOUT IRON) throughout to promote good health. After the two weeks are done, ease into a weight lifting routine and start gradually increasing your carb count with GOOD carbs (no sugar, starches, processed grains, etc) to around 40-50 (YRMV). This raise in carb counts will help replace the small amounts of protien burnt via glucogenesis and will enhance your muscle growth. First off, though, do some research on the diet to ensure you know what you're getting in to. It's not for everyone ... especially if you're a bread/pasta fanatic. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

10-06-2003, 02:16 PM	#151
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	I have never figured out why MDs make such a big deal out of being called "Dr.". I could do the same, but prefer people call me Derek. shrugs

10-06-2003, 02:23 PM	#152
Phant0m51 Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Utah Posts: 160	Well I couldn't do the Atkins diet (had my Gal Bladder out, and all that meat was giving me severe cramping) so I've started my own diet. I eat 5 small meals a day, equaling + - 2000 Calories. The smaller meals have made my stomach shrink, so I don't eat as much anyway. My metabolism has gone up, and I haven't added any extra exercise. So far I'm losing 3 lb's a week and don't have to eat anything special. I just drink plenty of fluids. I'm going to add in some extra exercises, more for Cardio Vascular, than weight loss.

10-08-2003, 11:30 AM	#157
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Rolling right along now. 9 days in and 9 lbs lighter. I have taken to eating the flax seeds with salads; not too bad. I am not really having any problem staying on this diet and it does seem to be working. Pants that were tight are just right again, and I think my blood sugar levels must be pretty stable because I am not getting hungry or tired during the day anymore. I am back to sleeping less too thankfully. I'll probably stay on induction but add in a cup or two of coffee and the occasional evening beer after 2 weeks is up.

10-08-2003, 02:16 PM	#158
Phant0m51 Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Utah Posts: 160	So...how much sleep do you guys get with the Atkins diet? I don't sleep much, ever. I usually go with 2-3 hours of sleep a night, with 6 hours of sleep or less on weekends (total hours a night).

10-08-2003, 02:23 PM	#159
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	5-6 now but I am not drinking any coffee either. About the same as I was getting before drinking a ton of coffee. The big difference I am seeing is that before I would still be sound asleep when alarm went off, hit it a few times, and then be rushed getting ready. Now I am usually waking up before the alarm every day and can just pop out of bed. Your mileage may vary of course. I can't sustain less than 4 hours sleep for any length of time. 2-3 hours is crazy!

10-31-2003, 08:20 AM	#162
drummingpariah Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 45	ok guys you've convinced me.... i'm gonna get healthy too. my situation's a bit different though. i'm a shorter guy, 5'7", and about 135lbs. so my plan is to put on some weight, but in the right places. of course i could just start working out, but what do you guys suggest? or where do you suggest looking for some good info? everyone here seems pretty well informed, especially airspirit. anything's appreciated. thanx

10-31-2003, 10:05 AM	#163
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Might as well give an update: Down 20 lbs after 30 days. I went off diet (kinda) in Madison last weekend and drank a ton of beer on Friday and Saturday. I tried to otherwise stick reasonably close to Atkins though. Over the weekend I had gained one whole lb which dropped back off on Monday. Then this week I have been just dropping weight like a rock: 5 lbs in 5 days! I had initially thought I'd stop at 200 lbs (what I weighed when I got married) but now I am thinking 185 is easily attainable. That's what I weighed the last time I didn't feel at all overweight (maybe 1995?). This is with nothing but strict atkins diet and walking up and down the stairs at work whenever I need to go somewhere (5th floor). I am feeling a lot more energetic though now and plan to start doing some more rigorous exercising whenever I start adding more carbs back.

10-31-2003, 10:32 AM	#164
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	go for it I'm at my target of 175, now the hard part - actually getting an exercise program going as I add carbs I never have been able to sustain this exercise bit

10-31-2003, 11:56 AM	#165
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	The only thing that's ever really stuck for me is exercise bike + reading material. I can actually get caught up on journal articles and other technical issues while I ride for 20-30 minutes.

10-31-2003, 12:03 PM	#166
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	not a bad idea at all and those bikes are always available used too hmmm

10-31-2003, 12:12 PM	#167
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Yea I found one by dumpster at apartment complex once that just needed some bearing grease and a little loving on the brake mechanism that adjusts the resistance. But it didn't make the move to Canada unfortunately.

10-31-2003, 03:19 PM	#169
drummingpariah Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 45	well i didnt even mean with the diet. i am a bread/pasta fanatic. my average food intake for the day is as follows: breakfast(1 day's worth) box of cereal, 1/2 dozen bagels, leftover lasagna/spaghetti/whatever pasta, cereal bars, a gallon of orange juice, a couple apples/oranges/tomatoes/whatever's colorful and juicy brunch(in addition to breakfast) gallon of orange juice, donuts, a container of yogurt lunch 2/3 roast beef wraps/sandwiches, gallon of water/milk, quick pasta(simple stuff like spaghetti), muffins, some kind of fruit, some kind of snack food that i can find(chips, etc) dinner steak. i'm just looking for a good exercise routine that's cheap, and maybe some key foods to look for for weight gain(in a healthy way) thx

10-31-2003, 03:34 PM	#170
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Er, then just take a protien supplement (full amino range) and hit the gym. shrugs __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

10-31-2003, 03:43 PM	#171
drummingpariah Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 45	lol, sounds like a plan. i guess... lol you responded quick! thanks man, im gonna see if i can find a workout buddy now. its just not fun by yourself.

11-07-2003, 07:54 PM	#172
drummingpariah Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 45	just got my subscription to one of the local gyms and got myself a workout buddy, 6 days a week, broken up into upper and lower body workouts. we're starting tomorrow morning at 8:00. oh man, this thread is gonna break the "computer geek" stereotypical body. lol BREAK THE CYCLE!

11-17-2003, 10:05 AM	#173
Tempus Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 456	Caffine and stuff I know the book says that caffine is a bad thing for this diet. why is that? And how serious is the restriction? I've decide to restart on it. I did the atkins for about 2 months and lost ~25 lbs. Got off it for 2 months and kept the weight off. now I'm going to get back on and try for 10-15 more lbs by Xmas. I kept drinking diet coke/diet Mt dew last time and it didn't seem to affect the weight loss. I'm willing to go with out now but I'm curious about why the diet has that restriction. __________________ Thou art God.

11-17-2003, 10:08 AM	#174
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	It has to do with the regulation of blood sugar/insulin levels. Atkins only says to go totally without caffeine during induction anyway. I have a cup of coffee on occasion now (when I need it) but don't really miss it too much.

11-17-2003, 11:04 AM	#175
mad mikee Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: US of A!!!! Posts: 146	Just an update for me - Movin on down.... Started at 207, now at 190 after about a month. Just made up some quick concoctions for breakfast and lunch for the week. Eggs (no Cholesterol), turkey, onions, garlic, olive oil, a touch of horseradish, some of the gelatin from the bottom of the pan for the Rotissirie Chicken I got at grocer this weekend (very little fat, think of cold homemade chicken soup in the fridge) and stir-fry vegies (the okay kinds), about 3/4 cup of oat bran (Fiber) w/ a slice of sharp cheddar on the top for breakfast (made 8 servings in about 1/2 hour. 1 chicken + 1 turkey sausage covered w/ another slice of cheddar (had to finish the package!) for lunch. Salads for dinner. Eating nuts for snacks along w/ cheese sticks and cottage cheese. Check out chocovic for great low-carb real chocolate. Now to find some droste unsweeted cocoa (Need more antioxidants!) __________________ His PCV2000 DFI ULTRA D (SLI Modded just because) 4200 x2 @ ~ 10 x 260 /1.49 Vcore , G5 + PA160 + 150mm Papst@5V + Maze 4 GPU + mcp350. Temp 36-37(load-2 x D20L) 2x1GB Ballistix PC4000, x800xl 256m, 74G rap + 160G Hitachi SATA , 21" mit/nec 1920x1440 Crt + 19 Neovo F-419 1280x1024 LCD, OCZ Powerstream 600 Hers: (my beloved who lets me do all this) LianLi PCV1000, SD3700 @ 9x300, 1GB GBLA, 250+ 120 SATA, X700pro, 19" Neovo F-419 LCD, another OCZ 600

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