Well I guess I can show you my new block :)

morphling1 · 01-12-2003, 12:03 PM

Well after about 2 months of perfecting my machining methods and optimizing my desing in theory, and then making different prototypes of slightly different dimensions of 1. fin height 2. base thickness and 3. fin width. As for inlet opening I made it for normal aquarium pumps with aprox 1.5 m of head. I can almost say that I have final design of the block, I need to try two more changes. I did play with only 1mm thin base, but it wasn't as good as 1.5mm on tbred core cpu. aprox 1-2 °C higher load temps. performanse of the block is very good. On a palomino core cpu @1980 MHz @ 2.15V and water temp of 20°C my folding load temps are ~ 33°C measured by 8k3a (on die diode).
Anyway here are the pics.

Block was tested under 4 bars of water preasure for 5 hours and o-ring sealed perfectly.

Here is another version of my block in action

bikr · 01-12-2003, 12:10 PM

It's hard to tell from the pic , but is any of the liquid actually flowing through the channels.. they look rather thin.. --bikr

BillA · 01-12-2003, 12:16 PM

might be a bit tricky morphling1
but try to ramp that return channel transition
looks good, but be careful about 'too thin'

hara · 01-12-2003, 12:16 PM

Gr8 job! I had the same idea about joining the outlet barbs but you beat me to it. Does the central cut through all the channels help? How high are the fins?

jaydee · 01-12-2003, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bikr
It's hard to tell from the pic , but is any of the liquid actually flowing through the channels.. they look rather thin.. --bikr

There has to be! It looks to me like the top peice is flush against the top of the channels forceing the water to flow through them. Very nice.

bikr · 01-12-2003, 01:04 PM

ahh.. I see.. I wasn't sure if there was a slight gap or not there.. Very nice job though.. =)

m3_arun · 01-12-2003, 01:24 PM

is there a nozzle increase the speed?

LiquidRulez · 01-12-2003, 03:19 PM

All I can say is WOW!

Puzzdre · 01-12-2003, 03:31 PM

Quote:

All I can say is WOW!

I second that!

I guess you have the block on the same rig as previous block...How many °C did you gain? Still with two MJ1000 in series?

No words...just expressions...

ChrioN · 01-12-2003, 04:13 PM

this is a waterblock. waow. i want to tatch (lol...spelling) those minimalistic fins

Morphling1, how does it go with cnc-converting-projekt of yours?
Tell me all about it!

Cathar · 01-12-2003, 05:00 PM

Looking very snazzy morphling1!

morphling1 · 01-12-2003, 07:18 PM

First thanks everybody
@Bill I need to find the way for that, but I will look into it, but it's not that huge anyway 0.5mm. As for too thin yep I know

@ Hara that chanell cut is only 1.5mm deep it was only ment for improving turbolence a little and flow distribution to outer channels. My method of measuring definetly can't pick that kind of details, heh even loading program fluctuate all the time so I can only tell about average on longer period, and in that longer period I can't hold my water temps constant

Channel height depends on a model from 3.5-5mm like I said still testing.
@ m3_arun see avatar and I made it in two dimensions too so again still some testing for me, lots of combination left to try
@ Puzzdre, currently with one MJ1000 other started making some noise, so I need to check the impler next time I take everything apart. Gain from before was more then 5°C or more then 50 MHz of stable oc.
@ ChrionN, damn you had to remind me of that, no project on hold, I found out that I can make lots of thing that I would have quite some problem making with cnc, because my tooling and work pieces handling isn't automatic, and because I don't realy make lots of block (1-2 a week) I rather enjoy making them by hand

but I will definetly finish that project.
@ Thanks man, you were inspiration to realy started me thinking on machining process, one of my older blocks had something I could barely call micro fins they were made with 2mm bit and I broke two of them before finish it, the results were good but not that much better to justify the cost of tooling, then I saw your block and how they manage to make those fine channels, so then I realy started thinking again how could something like this be made by me, and this is the result with matching performanse boost

bigben2k · 01-12-2003, 08:52 PM

FINALLY!

That's excellent work, Morphling1! If you're down to a 1.5mm baseplate, I think it's an indication of an excellent block. Looking forward to seeing the results of your further refinements!

You've out-done yourself this time!

FRAGN'STIEN · 01-12-2003, 09:03 PM

Awesome job Morph!!! Now we finally see the block thats in your avatar. Very nice temps.

pippin88 · 01-12-2003, 09:50 PM

Very very very nice block.

Very good work.

Puzzdre · 01-13-2003, 06:48 AM

How deep (or shallow

) passes you have to do with that 0.6 mm bit? I have one mill bit 0.5 mm bit in my hand and I cannot stop admireing the job you did with something small and fragile like that!

RESPECT!

morphling1 · 01-13-2003, 06:55 PM

Puzzdre, I didn't use bits

I use hss cutting blade, after I made holder for it, and I went in 0.5mm passes

ChrioN · 01-14-2003, 03:12 AM

morph, whats the shankdiameter of that small bit? I saw 1mm endmills but those where 1mm all over. I haven't seen any that small with 6mm shank...

Puzzdre · 01-14-2003, 04:46 AM

ChrioN, I have several mill bits 0.5, 0.8 and 1 mm dia, all with 3 mm shank...dunno for 6 mm, got one 2 mm dia with 5 mm shank...all made by Jabro...

@Morph: even more RESPECT!

ChrioN · 01-14-2003, 08:23 AM

I don't know were to buy those "endbit-fasteners" though...
It seems like "ER" is the new standard...dunno if I can have those.
I got a ISO-30 "cone"...and the smallest fastener I got is 6mm.

morphling1 · 01-14-2003, 11:54 AM

I have a catalogue, where I can order up to 1mm bit with 6mm shank, made by Garant, but those are special order so around 14days of waiting period.

pippin88 · 01-16-2003, 03:22 AM

Morph, congrats on that uber new CPU btw.

Block seems to be doing its job very well.

bigben2k · 01-16-2003, 09:37 AM

Morphling1: what was the diameter of the blade you used?

morphling1 · 01-17-2003, 02:19 AM

Oh yeah the block is doing super job. Two days ago I bought tbred cpu and my current block is optimized for palomino core as the base thickness is only 1mm, for tbreds I need to make it a little thicker to spread the heat from that small core. But check out this :
http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&threadid=8149
And I still believe I can do better.

bb2k, I use 32mm diameter blade.

Puzzdre · 01-17-2003, 04:34 AM

That's a GREAT OC !!!!

WOW...can you pls. post a link where I can check the stepping of amd's?
PLS?

01-12-2003, 12:03 PM	#1
morphling1 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Slovenia Posts: 468	Well I guess I can show you my new block :) Well after about 2 months of perfecting my machining methods and optimizing my desing in theory, and then making different prototypes of slightly different dimensions of 1. fin height 2. base thickness and 3. fin width. As for inlet opening I made it for normal aquarium pumps with aprox 1.5 m of head. I can almost say that I have final design of the block, I need to try two more changes. I did play with only 1mm thin base, but it wasn't as good as 1.5mm on tbred core cpu. aprox 1-2 °C higher load temps. performanse of the block is very good. On a palomino core cpu @1980 MHz @ 2.15V and water temp of 20°C my folding load temps are ~ 33°C measured by 8k3a (on die diode). Anyway here are the pics. Block was tested under 4 bars of water preasure for 5 hours and o-ring sealed perfectly. Here is another version of my block in action __________________ [My ftp, with lots of pics, hope to be home page someday

01-12-2003, 12:10 PM	#2
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	It's hard to tell from the pic , but is any of the liquid actually flowing through the channels.. they look rather thin.. --bikr __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

01-12-2003, 01:04 PM	#6
bikr Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: West Palm Beach Posts: 230	ahh.. I see.. I wasn't sure if there was a slight gap or not there.. Very nice job though.. =) __________________ http://www.modasylum.com

01-12-2003, 01:24 PM	#7
m3_arun Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: san jose, ca Posts: 91	is there a nozzle increase the speed? __________________ AthlonXP 1800+ @ 135x11.5 Epox 8k5a2+ Antec SX830 case 256MB Micron PC2400 WC system soon... Iwaki MD-30RZ (getting fittings right now) Cathar WW block #102 (arrived) Heater core (still pondering) (still need to get tubing)

01-12-2003, 04:13 PM	#10
ChrioN Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 318	this is a waterblock. waow. i want to tatch (lol...spelling) those minimalistic fins Morphling1, how does it go with cnc-converting-projekt of yours? Tell me all about it! Last edited by ChrioN; 01-12-2003 at 04:32 PM.

01-12-2003, 12:16 PM	#3
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	might be a bit tricky morphling1 but try to ramp that return channel transition looks good, but be careful about 'too thin'

01-12-2003, 12:16 PM	#4
hara Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Malta, Mediterranean Posts: 662	Gr8 job! I had the same idea about joining the outlet barbs but you beat me to it. Does the central cut through all the channels help? How high are the fins?

01-12-2003, 03:19 PM	#8
LiquidRulez Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In Hell Posts: 322	All I can say is WOW!

01-12-2003, 05:00 PM	#11
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	Looking very snazzy morphling1!

01-12-2003, 07:18 PM	#12
morphling1 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Slovenia Posts: 468	First thanks everybody @Bill I need to find the way for that, but I will look into it, but it's not that huge anyway 0.5mm. As for too thin yep I know @ Hara that chanell cut is only 1.5mm deep it was only ment for improving turbolence a little and flow distribution to outer channels. My method of measuring definetly can't pick that kind of details, heh even loading program fluctuate all the time so I can only tell about average on longer period, and in that longer period I can't hold my water temps constant Channel height depends on a model from 3.5-5mm like I said still testing. @ m3_arun see avatar and I made it in two dimensions too so again still some testing for me, lots of combination left to try @ Puzzdre, currently with one MJ1000 other started making some noise, so I need to check the impler next time I take everything apart. Gain from before was more then 5°C or more then 50 MHz of stable oc. @ ChrionN, damn you had to remind me of that, no project on hold, I found out that I can make lots of thing that I would have quite some problem making with cnc, because my tooling and work pieces handling isn't automatic, and because I don't realy make lots of block (1-2 a week) I rather enjoy making them by hand but I will definetly finish that project. @ Thanks man, you were inspiration to realy started me thinking on machining process, one of my older blocks had something I could barely call micro fins they were made with 2mm bit and I broke two of them before finish it, the results were good but not that much better to justify the cost of tooling, then I saw your block and how they manage to make those fine channels, so then I realy started thinking again how could something like this be made by me, and this is the result with matching performanse boost __________________ [My ftp, with lots of pics, hope to be home page someday

01-12-2003, 08:52 PM	#13
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	FINALLY! That's excellent work, Morphling1! If you're down to a 1.5mm baseplate, I think it's an indication of an excellent block. Looking forward to seeing the results of your further refinements! You've out-done yourself this time! __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

01-12-2003, 09:03 PM	#14
FRAGN'STIEN Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Rathdrum, ID Posts: 380	Awesome job Morph!!! Now we finally see the block thats in your avatar. Very nice temps. __________________ This space for rent

01-12-2003, 09:50 PM	#15
pippin88 Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 285	Very very very nice block. Very good work.

01-13-2003, 06:48 AM	#16
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	How deep (or shallow ) passes you have to do with that 0.6 mm bit? I have one mill bit 0.5 mm bit in my hand and I cannot stop admireing the job you did with something small and fragile like that! RESPECT! __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

01-13-2003, 06:55 PM	#17
morphling1 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Slovenia Posts: 468	Puzzdre, I didn't use bits I use hss cutting blade, after I made holder for it, and I went in 0.5mm passes __________________ [My ftp, with lots of pics, hope to be home page someday

01-14-2003, 03:12 AM	#18
ChrioN Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 318	morph, whats the shankdiameter of that small bit? I saw 1mm endmills but those where 1mm all over. I haven't seen any that small with 6mm shank...

01-14-2003, 04:46 AM	#19
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	ChrioN, I have several mill bits 0.5, 0.8 and 1 mm dia, all with 3 mm shank...dunno for 6 mm, got one 2 mm dia with 5 mm shank...all made by Jabro... @Morph: even more RESPECT! __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)' Last edited by Puzzdre; 01-14-2003 at 09:49 AM.

01-14-2003, 08:23 AM	#20
ChrioN Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 318	I don't know were to buy those "endbit-fasteners" though... It seems like "ER" is the new standard...dunno if I can have those. I got a ISO-30 "cone"...and the smallest fastener I got is 6mm.

01-14-2003, 11:54 AM	#21
morphling1 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Slovenia Posts: 468	I have a catalogue, where I can order up to 1mm bit with 6mm shank, made by Garant, but those are special order so around 14days of waiting period. __________________ [My ftp, with lots of pics, hope to be home page someday

01-16-2003, 03:22 AM	#22
pippin88 Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 285	Morph, congrats on that uber new CPU btw. Block seems to be doing its job very well.

01-16-2003, 09:37 AM	#23
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Morphling1: what was the diameter of the blade you used? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

01-17-2003, 02:19 AM	#24
morphling1 Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Slovenia Posts: 468	Oh yeah the block is doing super job. Two days ago I bought tbred cpu and my current block is optimized for palomino core as the base thickness is only 1mm, for tbreds I need to make it a little thicker to spread the heat from that small core. But check out this : http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/...&threadid=8149 And I still believe I can do better. bb2k, I use 32mm diameter blade. __________________ [My ftp, with lots of pics, hope to be home page someday

01-17-2003, 04:34 AM	#25
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	That's a GREAT OC !!!! WOW...can you pls. post a link where I can check the stepping of amd's? PLS? __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

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