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Unread 04-18-2008, 03:05 PM   #1
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Well its time my old tired 800 MHz shit server be retired and a new one in place! I have some parts and am buying others and yes, it will be liquid cooled

Motherboard: Tyan Thunder K7
Memory: 4x 256 MB for a total 1 GB (DDR 200)
CPUs: Don't have em yet. I'm cheap so I can't afford Athlon MPs and will just mod some XPs.
Power: I'll find something...
Storage: Probably a 40 gig for the OS drive and a 74 gig SCSI for the apps / database, files, etc...
Cooling: I have a pretty big heater core and plan to make a northbridge block and custom air ducts. pHaestus says he has some stuff for me so we'll see
Case: I might reuse my SuperMicro tower (case my current old ass server is in) or use the spare Lian Li I have here.

I'll try to get some pics up as soon as I can. And don't worry, this isn't another of my long term projects Should be done in a month or less.
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RAM arrived today Board sometime next week.
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Well I got the case all apart and think I might put the first heater core in front. I may use a second one if it makes a difference in CPU temps.

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Unread 04-23-2008, 06:53 PM   #4
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Hey ben a few questions to ponder for ya

1) What are you serving? For my music/movies/files fileserver I go with cheapo big capacity ide drives and I always have. When I hear one start to get noisy or when they get full then I just take the oldest and smallest one out and upgrade with the biggest one in my price point. Basically I feed my file server box $100 a year, which worked out to 60gb many years ago and is close to 500gb now. Also I'd wonder if the 74gb scsi is actually all that much faster than a new gen drive...

2) Is 4x256mb memory good with dual cpus on that board? It's been so long since I messed with Athlon XPs I honestly don't recall whether there'd be a big benefit to going to 2gb ram instead?

3) I think I have some junk er I mean quality vintage watercooling for you to finish it off with...
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Hey ben a few questions to ponder for ya

1) What are you serving? For my music/movies/files fileserver I go with cheapo big capacity ide drives and I always have. When I hear one start to get noisy or when they get full then I just take the oldest and smallest one out and upgrade with the biggest one in my price point. Basically I feed my file server box $100 a year, which worked out to 60gb many years ago and is close to 500gb now. Also I'd wonder if the 74gb scsi is actually all that much faster than a new gen drive...

2) Is 4x256mb memory good with dual cpus on that board? It's been so long since I messed with Athlon XPs I honestly don't recall whether there'd be a big benefit to going to 2gb ram instead?

3) I think I have some junk er I mean quality vintage watercooling for you to finish it off with...
1) I run a small website, small forums (PHP+MySQL), files, music and video. I am going to grab up a 1 TB hard drive or a couple 400/500 drives when I get the money. The 74 was a typeo and probobly isn't faster than any modern 7,200 IDE drive considering it was made in 1998 and only 5,400 RPM

2) It should be all the ram I need. My last server only had 256 MB and the one before that had 512 MB. Also keep in mind back when this board was made, 512 MB was considered a lot of ram

3) Yep, I need em quick.

Hope I get some work done this weekend.
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Aim Me Your Address So I Can Finish Packing This Box Up Imo
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Unread 04-24-2008, 01:52 PM   #8
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Well the last piece besides the cooling got here today: The motherboard.
Look at the size of that bastard!

Good thing I decided to change cases. Lets just hope these XP chips work. If not I have a duron here to start off with. One thing I found funny was this board has the 24 pin power AND the 8 pin CPU connector Think I'd be all set buying a cheap new PSU with the 24 & 8 pin connectors?
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Unread 05-19-2008, 07:39 AM   #9
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If your server isn't mission critical you'd be ok with a cheapo 400w. Fortunately the 350-500w PSU market is pretty saturated so you could get a decent PSU for only a few more $ over a super cheapo.

I nearly bought a dual PIII server board from a used computer store a few weeks back, it was $15. But I just couldn't justify it, the server was only going to be a file server, and possibly a mythTV backend. I still haven't built my file server yet, I want to have a really low power server. Was thinking about using a recently rolled down Asus A8N SLI-Prem board with 3200+ processor. Not going to wc until I've done so on my P4 poop.

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oh dang I just noticed the 64bit PCI slots, you gonna be running any hw raid?

I was going to go with the A8N SLI-Prem board since it has 2 sata controllers for a total of 8 sata HDs. Its not truly a hw raid but if its only going to be a file server it doesn't matter to me anyway... I just need a couple identical HDs or I guess I could go VLM since it'll be linux anyway. If only I had money to actually do the projects I want to.... >_>
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oh dang I just noticed the 64bit PCI slots, you gonna be running any hw raid?
I'm planning on a cheap card for a RAID 0 array with two or four 500 GB disks.

This is the card I had in mind:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16816104007


But for a while I'll just be using PATA disks. The good news is I got the blocks from pH and I think I've found a nice cheap PSU in the OverClockers Classifieds forum.
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I sold something today and have a bit of money to spare. I might just go with a single dual core CPU and cheap mobo but I'll still water cool it. Guess I'll see how these parts work and then I'll decide.
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Unread 05-22-2008, 06:31 AM   #13
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What OS are you going to use? I will be going with Linux (ubuntu) once I have another HD to move my files onto - my current HDs are NTFS...
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What OS are you going to use? I will be going with Linux (ubuntu) once I have another HD to move my files onto - my current HDs are NTFS...
Probobly Windows 2003. I'd do linux but I don't have the time to refresh on it.
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Unread 05-29-2008, 06:52 PM   #15
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sure you didnt typo on that raid 0? for a fileserver?
might as well do a 4 x 500gb raid 10 setup for 1 usable terrabyte
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Nah, I'm just doing RAID0. I have some removable drives to backup to. I picked up two cheap 250 GB drives I'll use for a while till I get more money. Also I changed a lot of the hardware. updates soon
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to keep your mojo flowing.... would love to see one of these up and running again....


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#Rotor Man... I just shipped off my K7 to a guy on OverClockers forums Had I seen that pic sooner I might have kept it. I will be building a dual MP system for fun some day but ATM I don't have enough time and I just bought a quad core and a modern board for the server.
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I remember when I wanted that board....that board....that board.....~~~@~@~@
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I remember when I wanted that board....that board....that board.....~~~@~@~@
I know man, I know Ever since I saw that board in a review (not sure exactly how long ago) I'd wanted it. I just don't have the time to play with it - it being my server and all. If you want one check ebay. Mine was $15!!
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The sad thing is that $90 will buy you a motherboard that will hold a $90 CPU outperforms that K7 mobo by a lot. Computers is a bad field for those who succumb to nostalgia (unfortunately for me).
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Well I made a server outside of this log while I was selling off my K7 parts... Got back about what I paid I think

New server specs: X3210 Quad Xeon, 2 GB RAM, 2x 250GB SATA in RAID 0 (thread & pics to come)

But last night I was on ebay and won something for $50...

This board takes a NORMAL PSU and all I need is a case, drives, PSU and better cooling and I'm good to go! K7 live on!!
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So with some simple pin mods my wimpy 2200s are now awesome 2600s!!



Not bad for air cooling, eh? Water soon to come...

And if anyone was wondering, here is the mod I did and the wire I used:



More to come...
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Heres the server I did build (pics and specs)

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