excessive water cooling?

cloaked · 10-11-2004, 11:32 PM

I have been playing with the idea of adding lots of water blocks to a secondary loop. This is all theoretical for now, I am planning on a new computer sometime in the next 6 months or so, and have decided on watercooling at least the cpu and video card.
But I was also thinking (fantasizing maybe?) about putting blocks on other parts. Maybe buying some copper tubing to make very simple water blocks for hot parts of the computer. The things I was thinking about were power supply, mosfets, video ram, probably northbridge, maybe hard drives, and even the dimms (I have no idea on the temperatures these reach, and whether better cooling would help in any way.)

The way I see it, this system would have the benefits of being able to get rid of a couple fans (power supply, hard drives, northbridge), and increasing stability if some elements (mosfets, vram) are better cooled.

I thought a possible way to do this would be to have:

___loop with less ____....... ____cpu/video______
|..critical components....\..../............blocks..............|
/\....................................\../..................................../\
|..................................resevoir....... ....................heater
smaller.............................|............. .......................core
pump.............................../\......................................|
|...................................../...\....................main.........|
|________<_________|....|_____>___pump____|

now the obvious problem with this is that the second loop has no way to dissapate heat. I was hoping the components it cooled would not add too much heat to the water, so when it got to the resevoir it would just mix with the cooler water from the main loop.

What problems do you see with this? Is there anything inherantly wrong with cooling, say, the power supply and removing it's fan? Do I need a second heater core for this/what else can be fixed in the loop.

I know this will not provide the best overclock possible, but it my mind the reduction of noise, and of course, overall awsomeness (was gonna say coolness until I realized what a bad pun that would make) is worth it

edit: another failed case of ascii art formatting- sorry bout the .......s

MaxxxRacer · 10-11-2004, 11:52 PM

ITs a good idea to put the less important on the smaller pump as they dont need as much cooling or as much flow. that way you could use 3/8 tubing instead of 1/2 inch to make things easier on you. those components also dont need as much flow.

and there is no such think as overkill

jman1310 · 10-18-2004, 03:29 AM

talk to jaydee
he water cooled his entire sys and is now fan free
it looks awesome

jman

STAT · 02-12-2005, 01:34 PM

I think your double flow idea is really inventive! You need to be careful when water cooling a power supply...the heatsinks very often are 'live', carry high voltage!

MadHacker · 02-12-2005, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STAT

I think your double flow idea is really inventive! You need to be careful when water cooling a power supply...the heatsinks very often are 'live', carry high voltage!

I tried to watercool My Powersupply...
got it all hooked up and got a nice pop and some smoke for my troubles...

havn't bother to try again :shrug:

STAT · 02-12-2005, 08:14 PM

Man, that would suck!!!

Anyway, with a bay res, you would have multiple inputs & outputs:

CrazyPC UV Blue 5.25 inch Bay Reservoir

Was that what you were thinking of? Also, I found a guide on how to make blocks to cool mosfets:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips1104/

When you do it, we need pics!!!

Edit: an easy & ugly way to make your own waterblocks:

http://www.overclockers.com/tips730/

Also, I just had a thought...why water cool your power supply at all if you could buy a fanless one like this:

COOLMAX Black 480W Fanless Switching Power Supply

It wouldn't be real inexpensive, but it would be a lot safer!

MadHacker · 02-13-2005, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by STAT

Also, I just had a thought...why water cool your power supply at all if you could buy a fanless one like this:

COOLMAX Black 480W Fanless Switching Power Supply

It wouldn't be real inexpensive, but it would be a lot safer!

I guess part of it is bragging rights...

I can buy a completly premodded case.. but what would be the fun in that? :shrug:

jaydee · 02-13-2005, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jman1310

talk to jaydee
he water cooled his entire sys and is now fan free
it looks awesome

jman

Probably thinking of BladeRunner of http://zfz.com/. I don't think I ever posted any pics of any of my past WC PC's. All my current comps are air cooled at the moment.

Long Haired Git · 02-14-2005, 03:01 AM

In the old days, it was the case that for the extra cost of all the hosing and the extra pump and the complexity, you could just buy the next size pump up and plumb it all sequentially.
I mean, for the cost of a eheim 1048 on the CPU side and a 1046 on the NB/GPU side, you could just buy an eheim 1250 and be done with it.

These days, so much has changed (and yet so much is the same)....

10-11-2004, 11:32 PM	#1
cloaked Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: NYC Posts: 7	Excessive water cooling, (power supply, mosfets, vram), idea? I have been playing with the idea of adding lots of water blocks to a secondary loop. This is all theoretical for now, I am planning on a new computer sometime in the next 6 months or so, and have decided on watercooling at least the cpu and video card. But I was also thinking (fantasizing maybe?) about putting blocks on other parts. Maybe buying some copper tubing to make very simple water blocks for hot parts of the computer. The things I was thinking about were power supply, mosfets, video ram, probably northbridge, maybe hard drives, and even the dimms (I have no idea on the temperatures these reach, and whether better cooling would help in any way.) The way I see it, this system would have the benefits of being able to get rid of a couple fans (power supply, hard drives, northbridge), and increasing stability if some elements (mosfets, vram) are better cooled. I thought a possible way to do this would be to have: ___loop with less ____....... ____cpu/video______ \|..critical components....\..../............blocks..............\| /\....................................\../..................................../\ \|..................................resevoir....... ....................heater smaller.............................\|............. .......................core pump.............................../\......................................\| \|...................................../...\....................main.........\| \|________<_________\|....\|_____>___pump____\| now the obvious problem with this is that the second loop has no way to dissapate heat. I was hoping the components it cooled would not add too much heat to the water, so when it got to the resevoir it would just mix with the cooler water from the main loop. What problems do you see with this? Is there anything inherantly wrong with cooling, say, the power supply and removing it's fan? Do I need a second heater core for this/what else can be fixed in the loop. I know this will not provide the best overclock possible, but it my mind the reduction of noise, and of course, overall awsomeness (was gonna say coolness until I realized what a bad pun that would make) is worth it edit: another failed case of ascii art formatting- sorry bout the .......s Last edited by cloaked; 10-16-2004 at 05:18 PM. Reason: bad title

10-11-2004, 11:52 PM	#2
MaxxxRacer Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Los Angeles, Ca Posts: 310	ITs a good idea to put the less important on the smaller pump as they dont need as much cooling or as much flow. that way you could use 3/8 tubing instead of 1/2 inch to make things easier on you. those components also dont need as much flow. and there is no such think as overkill __________________ Excuse me, I believe you have my stapler.

02-12-2005, 08:14 PM	#6
STAT Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3	Man, that would suck!!! Anyway, with a bay res, you would have multiple inputs & outputs: CrazyPC UV Blue 5.25 inch Bay Reservoir Was that what you were thinking of? Also, I found a guide on how to make blocks to cool mosfets: http://www.overclockers.com/tips1104/ When you do it, we need pics!!! Edit: an easy & ugly way to make your own waterblocks: http://www.overclockers.com/tips730/ Also, I just had a thought...why water cool your power supply at all if you could buy a fanless one like this: COOLMAX Black 480W Fanless Switching Power Supply It wouldn't be real inexpensive, but it would be a lot safer! Last edited by STAT; 02-12-2005 at 08:30 PM.

02-14-2005, 03:01 AM	#9
Long Haired Git Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Sydney, Oz Posts: 336	In the old days, it was the case that for the extra cost of all the hosing and the extra pump and the complexity, you could just buy the next size pump up and plumb it all sequentially. I mean, for the cost of a eheim 1048 on the CPU side and a 1046 on the NB/GPU side, you could just buy an eheim 1250 and be done with it. These days, so much has changed (and yet so much is the same).... __________________ Long Haired Git "Securing an environment of Windows platforms from abuse - external or internal - is akin to trying to install sprinklers in a fireworks factory where smoking on the job is permitted." (Prof. Gene Spafford) My Rig, in all its glory, can be seen best here AMD XP1600 @ 1530 Mhz \| Soyo Dragon + \| 256 Mb PC2700 DDRAM \| 2 x 40 Gb 7200rpm in Raid-0 \| Maze 2, eheim 1250, dual heater cores! \| Full specifications (PCDB)

10-18-2004, 03:29 AM	#3
jman1310 Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 246	talk to jaydee he water cooled his entire sys and is now fan free it looks awesome jman

02-12-2005, 01:34 PM	#4
STAT Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 3	I think your double flow idea is really inventive! You need to be careful when water cooling a power supply...the heatsinks very often are 'live', carry high voltage!

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