COOL review...oh jeez

snowwie · 03-29-2005, 01:30 PM

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=312

i didn't even realize the author until i moved along to the 3rd page, and looked at the pictures...primarily the orientation of the "primary heat exchanger"

i hate to bring up old--well, anyway, i'm just still not impressed with his test setup...at all

pH you ever consider testing kits in the future?

VitaminB · 03-29-2005, 02:19 PM

I know we're probably not supposed to rag on l3d's reviews after that big brouhaha a while back, but everytime I read one, it looks like someone ate a thesaurus with a side of hyphens and then threw it up into dreamweaver.

As a side note, I really don't like the color Corsair picked for the retention mechanism. Ugh.

RaptorRaider · 03-29-2005, 02:39 PM

Personally I don't think this review was that bad; many, many other websites who review watercooling kits are far worse.

Also as a sidenote, I can't find a difference between this kit and Swiftech's H20-120 (Rev. 3) kit besides the colour and 'Coolsleeves'; my guess is that the price will have a difference.

MadHacker · 03-29-2005, 02:54 PM

As long a companies send him free stuff... he will do reviews on them.
As long as his reviews seem favorable, companies will send him free stuff to review.

At least he doesn't have the system in front of an open window this time :shrug:

killernoodle · 03-29-2005, 03:16 PM

Why do they do the [M] like [H]?

jman1310 · 03-29-2005, 03:35 PM

wait - open windows are bad?
i was getting these great temps - then frostbite set in...

andy497 · 03-29-2005, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowwie

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=312

i didn't even realize the author until i moved along to the 3rd page, and looked at the pictures...primarily the orientation of the "primary heat exchanger"

i hate to bring up old--well, anyway, i'm just still not impressed with his test setup...at all

pH you ever consider testing kits in the future?

The block looked suspiciously like the mcw6000. Then I saw they were using a laing ddc. Then I saw the hold-down plates. Holy cow, the entire system looks identical to swiftec. Is it all oem from them?

If not, I wonder how the block performs.

jaydee · 03-29-2005, 04:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy497

The block looked suspiciously like the mcw6000. Then I saw they were using a laing ddc. Then I saw the hold-down plates. Holy cow, the entire system looks identical to swiftec. Is it all oem from them?

If not, I wonder how the block performs.

It is a Swiftech System from the MCW6000 to the RadBox. Just repainted and relabled. The more water cooling becomes mainstream the more this type of thing will happen. It isn't a bad thing either.

As for the review, it is what it is. Liquid3D is improving so I am not going to complain.

snowwie · 03-29-2005, 04:45 PM

he did the whole review with the cpu block upside down

i mean c'mon, i just read the quick start pdf on corsair's website and it clearly states to have the outlet above the inlet to avoid air cavitation

if the reviewer can not, or will not follow the manufacturer's installation instructions then the review....sucks, esp. for the review method he follows (system testing of a kit)

edit, grammar

jaydee · 03-29-2005, 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snowwie

he did the whole review with the cpu block upside down

i mean c'mon, i just read the quick start pdf on corsair's website and it clearly states to have the outlet above the inlet to avoid air cavitation

if the reviewer can not, or will not follow the manufacturer's installation instructions then the review....sucks, esp. the review method he follows (system testing of a kit)

The block thing is a valid bitch. Probably got air trapped on the top half of that block. e-mail him and see if he will redo it?

BillA · 03-29-2005, 06:16 PM

could be the cam box orientation, got to flip the case less res
what fun
- 'nother reason to investigate mobos before WCing

snowwie · 03-29-2005, 06:21 PM

cam box orientation? i thought there was no step in A64 blocks

jaydee · 03-29-2005, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by unregistered

could be the cam box orientation, got to flip the case less res
what fun
- 'nother reason to investigate mobos before WCing

Looks to me like it is just upside down. I see no problems fliping the block with the outlet up.

snowwie · 03-29-2005, 06:31 PM

in fact, the Corsair pdf has a picture showing the COOL kit installed in a system with that same DFI nf4 motherboard--outlet above the inlet no less

BillA · 03-29-2005, 06:38 PM

my error, the review has the descriptions all f**d up (he cited the 775 which DOES have a step)
it is a flat bp, oriented incorrectly
Corsair has good inst, a shame they were not followed

AngryAlpaca · 03-29-2005, 08:11 PM

STILL does not compare to anything, not even stock.

Jam · 03-29-2005, 09:42 PM

If I were the manufacturer- or the private lable entity, I'd be grateful for a review such as this one.

The average tinkerer who buys the Swiftech-Corsair branded kit will get something that works and receive value for dollars.

The underlying message of the review is that the buyer will get what he pays for, seems to me.

What's the big deal?

BTW . . .

Does anyone here like those nylon ratchet clamps?

Am I correct in assuming that the Corsair kit comes pre-clamped with Oetikers on the pump and the rad?

I do not like those plastic/nylon clamps.

I built a system recently and the only leak I had was on the joint that used those damnable clamps, lol. The Oetikers and the Ideals - are ideal.

Cheers,

Joe

PS . . .

Is the block actually upside down?

I'm a n00b, so I really do not know the answer, but it looked to me like, if the block were fed by the center inlet port, the outlet would appropriately be the upper port?

snowwie · 03-29-2005, 09:50 PM

well after some email correspondence with liquid3d, it turns out the the pictures are from a preliminary mount, and though he took test data from that mount, he didn't use it

his test data that appears in the review is from a subsequent mount he says that oriented in the correct fashion, and gave slightly better results

just a confusion where the photos are slightly diff from the real test conditions

freeloadingbum · 03-29-2005, 11:34 PM

I'm surprised that no one is complaining about this

quote from article:

"For more precise CPU measurements I re-mounted the water-block several times inserting a thermistor between the base plate and CPU surface. I placed a thermistor fed into a TTGI USA Fan Master SF-609 as close to the center of the A64 IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) as possible,"

At first I wasn't sure if I understood him correctly but the link showed a sensor about to be wedged between the block and die of a graphics card

MadHacker · 03-29-2005, 11:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeloadingbum

I'm surprised that no one is complaining about this

quote from article:

"For more precise CPU measurements I re-mounted the water-block several times inserting a thermistor between the base plate and CPU surface. I placed a thermistor fed into a TTGI USA Fan Master SF-609 as close to the center of the A64 IHS (Integrated Heat Spreader) as possible,"

At first I wasn't sure if I understood him correctly but the link showed a sensor about to be wedged between the block and die of a graphics card

well that makes sense to me...
you want to get an accurate temperature of the chip..
who cares if the block can actualy remove the heat

jman1310 · 03-30-2005, 04:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadHacker

well that makes sense to me...
you want to get an accurate temperature of the chip..
who cares if the block can actualy remove the heat

just apply more artic silver

bigben2k · 03-30-2005, 02:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jman1310

just apply more artic silver

That's one heck of a thick, TIM joint... huge temp gradient!

03-29-2005, 01:30 PM	#1
snowwie Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 154	COOL review...oh jeez http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=312 i didn't even realize the author until i moved along to the 3rd page, and looked at the pictures...primarily the orientation of the "primary heat exchanger" i hate to bring up old--well, anyway, i'm just still not impressed with his test setup...at all pH you ever consider testing kits in the future?

03-29-2005, 02:54 PM	#4
MadHacker Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Okotoks, A.B. Canada Posts: 726	As long a companies send him free stuff... he will do reviews on them. As long as his reviews seem favorable, companies will send him free stuff to review. At least he doesn't have the system in front of an open window this time :shrug: __________________ "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" - (Einstein)

03-29-2005, 03:16 PM	#5
killernoodle Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,014	Why do they do the [M] like [H]? __________________ I have a nice computer.

03-29-2005, 04:45 PM	#9
snowwie Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 154	he did the whole review with the cpu block upside down i mean c'mon, i just read the quick start pdf on corsair's website and it clearly states to have the outlet above the inlet to avoid air cavitation if the reviewer can not, or will not follow the manufacturer's installation instructions then the review....sucks, esp. for the review method he follows (system testing of a kit) edit, grammar Last edited by snowwie; 03-29-2005 at 05:30 PM.

03-29-2005, 09:42 PM	#17
Jam Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Staten Island, New York Posts: 16	If I were the manufacturer- or the private lable entity, I'd be grateful for a review such as this one. The average tinkerer who buys the Swiftech-Corsair branded kit will get something that works and receive value for dollars. The underlying message of the review is that the buyer will get what he pays for, seems to me. What's the big deal? BTW . . . Does anyone here like those nylon ratchet clamps? Am I correct in assuming that the Corsair kit comes pre-clamped with Oetikers on the pump and the rad? I do not like those plastic/nylon clamps. I built a system recently and the only leak I had was on the joint that used those damnable clamps, lol. The Oetikers and the Ideals - are ideal. Cheers, Joe PS . . . Is the block actually upside down? I'm a n00b, so I really do not know the answer, but it looked to me like, if the block were fed by the center inlet port, the outlet would appropriately be the upper port? Last edited by Jam; 03-29-2005 at 09:47 PM.

03-29-2005, 02:19 PM	#2
VitaminB Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Handbasket, Hell Posts: 1	I know we're probably not supposed to rag on l3d's reviews after that big brouhaha a while back, but everytime I read one, it looks like someone ate a thesaurus with a side of hyphens and then threw it up into dreamweaver. As a side note, I really don't like the color Corsair picked for the retention mechanism. Ugh.

03-29-2005, 02:39 PM	#3
RaptorRaider Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Amsterdam, The Netherlands Posts: 70	Personally I don't think this review was that bad; many, many other websites who review watercooling kits are far worse. Also as a sidenote, I can't find a difference between this kit and Swiftech's H20-120 (Rev. 3) kit besides the colour and 'Coolsleeves'; my guess is that the price will have a difference.

03-29-2005, 03:35 PM	#6
jman1310 Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 246	wait - open windows are bad? i was getting these great temps - then frostbite set in...

03-29-2005, 06:16 PM	#11
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	could be the cam box orientation, got to flip the case less res what fun - 'nother reason to investigate mobos before WCing

03-29-2005, 06:21 PM	#12
snowwie Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 154	cam box orientation? i thought there was no step in A64 blocks

03-29-2005, 06:31 PM	#14
snowwie Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 154	in fact, the Corsair pdf has a picture showing the COOL kit installed in a system with that same DFI nf4 motherboard--outlet above the inlet no less

03-29-2005, 06:38 PM	#15
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	my error, the review has the descriptions all f**d up (he cited the 775 which DOES have a step) it is a flat bp, oriented incorrectly Corsair has good inst, a shame they were not followed

03-29-2005, 08:11 PM	#16
AngryAlpaca Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 631	STILL does not compare to anything, not even stock.

03-29-2005, 09:50 PM	#18
snowwie Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: New Jersey Posts: 154	well after some email correspondence with liquid3d, it turns out the the pictures are from a preliminary mount, and though he took test data from that mount, he didn't use it his test data that appears in the review is from a subsequent mount he says that oriented in the correct fashion, and gave slightly better results just a confusion where the photos are slightly diff from the real test conditions

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