Gan You Guess What This Is?

[billbartuska]

I just redid my WC setup, and I needed one of these, So I designed one.
What do you think? Would it work? Would it be usefull, Would it be marketable?

[Dopefish]

Looks like a decorative splitter, I dont get it....

~Kris

[HammerSandwich]

How about a splitter that's sized precisely for 2 cards in SLI?

[billbartuska]

Originally Posted by HammerSandwich

How about a splitter that's sized precisely for 2 cards in SLI?

I'm not going to let this go on too long.
It's a deaireator. Thr flow enters on one side, spins around the small chamber and exits out the bottom. The air, on the other hand, is forced into the center of the chamber by the centrifugal force on the water. A "T" line (with water in it) is connected to the top outlet where the air in the center of the chamber exits and is replaced by the water in the "T" line. Slick, huh!...if it will work!
Comments?

I spent 4 hrs getting the air out of my system and thought that something like this would speed that up greatly.

[bobo5195]

ummm, i have my doubts but i have never seen or heard of something like this yet.

[jman1310]

not a new design
things like this are used to pre-filter fuel in the marine environment

but

i think getting some bubbles out 3 hours faster is not worth the restriction in a system that is going to be run for months or years without opening

would get more advantages out of a res

[billbartuska]

Originally Posted by jman1310

not a new design
things like this are used to pre-filter fuel in the marine environment

but

i think getting some bubbles out 3 hours faster is not worth the restriction in a system that is going to be run for months or years without opening

would get more advantages out of a res

Ok. How about putting it on a bypass?

What I'm interested in is, will it work?

[HammerSandwich]

Gut feeling is that it's way too small.

[BillA]

will not work at all as configured
just went through a biggish design exercise with cyclones for separation
krebs, etc

[gmat]

A reservoir with a baffle is quite enough for the kind of flow we have in our systems... This looks like a neat device but what about the flow losses ?

[BillA]

it is quite a trick to dump the velocity head with a small volume,
look at the small res of Swiftech designed for the DDC

the problem with bb's 'design' is that it will not work
he should have built a prototype before posting and answered his own question
no points for anything if too lazy to prototype, a dwg is not a design
some plastic and a tube of goop reveals all (or google !)

if one wishes credit as a designer, put out some effort

[billbartuska]

Originally Posted by BillA

if one wishes credit as a designer, put out some effort

Prototype is in process, but construction (major) is just completing at home (just moved back in last week), so work is slow....now where the heck is that 4-jaw chuck?

[BillA]

google a bit
the bottom must be a cone

[billbartuska]

Originally Posted by BillA

if one wishes credit as a designer, put out some effort

Progress

[BillA]

indeed
did you get rid of that sholder ?
how did you determine an appropriate ld ratio ?

[billbartuska]

Originally Posted by BillA

indeed
did you get rid of that sholder ?
how did you determine an appropriate ld ratio ?

Sholder? What sholder? That photo was taken at about 8:00pm. Rest assured that by midnight the sholder was gone! The whole endevor went badly. No drill press, It's burried under "moving stuff" from home renovation. I got a proto done, but it may be leaky...skipped the o-rings, just goobered it up with some RTV. Spent too much time polishing machined clear plastic..in order to be able to see what's going on inside.

ID ratio? I pulled it out of my ass. 1/2" inlet, 1/2" outlet1/2" = 1-1/2" "racetrack", 1" cavity depth (where the sholder was) . The thought is to keep the radius as small as practable...higher forces. less work prototyping and testing (for the 1st-off, gotta learn how to make these) When I get this one finished I have to test it. I was thinging of a simple loop with a 1048, valve and air bleeder..hence clear top to see what's going on inside. Then I can start playing around with "ratios". But of course the 1st off is going to work perfectly!

You seem to think that the bottom of the cavity is important (cone). I think the top wii be the key...how to get the air out and the water in.

All this is coming from some playing around I did with a 3gpm Iwaki and a small, round res. The air didn't come out, it just swirled around in a cyclone and was sucked back out the discharge.

[billbartuska]

Aw, shucks. the prototype has a leak. Oh well, back to the shop.

[bigben2k]

Weird reflections; looks like there's a tube within the tube.

Keep at it.

[jaydee]

Seems to me it wouldn't be much better than the old school T.

I always thought a good place for a air vent would be the top of the rads tanks. Providing the rad is mounted vertical of course. Just seems like a good air trap.

[BillA]

ck the ThermoChill rads

[billbartuska]

Originally Posted by bigben2k

Weird reflections; looks like there's a tube within the tube.

Keep at it.

It is. I made the top outlet 3/4". Used 1/2" inside the 3/4" for leak testing.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by BillA

ck the ThermoChill rads

Originally Posted by ThermoChill Rad Website

Unique silver soldered bleed inserts for bleeding off collected air & maintaining performance.

Sweet, was planning to do that for years to my heater cores, but never got around to it. I was going to do it a little different. Drill and solder a 3rd barb to the top of the tank and run a fill tube to the top of the case and use it to fill coolant and bleed air.

[billbartuska]

Well....Back to the original topic.

Rev2 is completed, Just neets some cleaning up and polishing.

[DrCR]

Hey billbartuska. Interesting idea you have here. How did Rev2 work out for you?

[billbartuska]

Originally Posted by DrCR

Hey billbartuska. Interesting idea you have here. How did Rev2 work out for you?

It's working well. Cuts the time to get the air out in half. to about an hour and a half. Actually it works better than I thought it would. With either an Eheim1048 and/or an IwakiMD20RZT it takes out big bubbles (inch long slugs of air in the tubing) and the microscopic froth produced by the Iwaki (I use 10% antifreeze). I did add a small plastic baffle in the upper outlet to slow the swirling there and help the smaller bubbles rise. All in all it was a successful experiment.