Coollaboratory Liquid PRO TIM

[murray13]

Check this out Coollaboratory Liquid PRO TIM.

Can't beleive I'm the first to post on this.

[Highvoltagepc]

Interesting....

[AngryAlpaca]

If it's just liquid metal, and it's liquid at ambient, how can it possibly solidify on a CPU?

[jaydee]

We had a discussion on the stuff about a year ago. I don;t think it was available in the US at that time though.

Problems I see:

Highly conductive. Would not use it on a non IHS topped CPU.

Can't use on Aluminum. Not to huge of a deal but if the numbers are as they say it should make a stock aluminum cooler perform as well as a very good copper cooler.

Highly toxic.... Never a good thing.

Dries as a solid. Maybe never get your CPU off the IHS again.

No long term results that I know of.

[ricecrispi]

Its been discussed and that stuff is risky.This stuff started appearing on ebay before commercial release.
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...Coollaboratory
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...Coollaboratory

Can't be used on aluminum is an understatement. It will eat the aluminum away like a sumo wrestler at a free buffet. It looks like a liquid but is more like a thick paint.
http://frostytech.com/permalink.cfm?NewsID=46586

I think the thermamax metal alloy paper TIM tested by citrella at overclockers.com is a better risky TIM to use. Just need to trim the paper to the right size.

[bigben2k]

[murray13]

Now, I do remember the old thread.

Has anyone used it?
Real world results?

Pro's and con's in theory are great, but does it really perform?

[unreal]

This the one thats only available from german ebay? If its the one im thinking of, somebody did test it, and performance was very close to AS5... Just from memory.

[ricecrispi]

1-2C improvement at load

but doesn't matter if benefit/cost risk ratio is very high. Okay If you want to put it on a cheap cpu or vidcard on 2nd-3rd spare comp and the risk is very low. I wouldn't use it on expensive cpu and cooler or a computer you can't afford to have down like a server or main computer.

The thermamax metal tim paper is a better choice because it offers an improvement (looks significant but no real data to compute) and risk is slightly less.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by unreal

This the one thats only available from german ebay? If its the one im thinking of, somebody did test it, and performance was very close to AS5... Just from memory.

From the ad on the site listed in the first post the graphs show about a 5C gain.....

[ricecrispi]

aw come' on Jaydee
I don't take you as a guy trusting that info from manufacturer or ads.

I'm even more skeptical these days after what went down. I don't trust these sites but hell, pick a poisin and hopefully the one you pick doens't kill you.

http://reviews.pimprig.com/cooling/c...tal.php?page=2

http://www.dirkvader.de/frame.php? site=http://www.dirkvader.de/page/Coollaboratory/

http://www.tweakers4u.de/artikel/coo...,2005,,458.htm

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by ricecrispi

aw come' on Jaydee
I don't take you as a guy trusting that info from manufacturer or ads.

My sarcasm must not be apparent.
It is up to you what you want to believe. After years of seeing stuff completely false advertised by "reputable" companies I take manufacture data and shelf it until it can be verified. Some have different views here however.

[Edge]

Yeah Jaydee,

I personally deeply trust web sites given the product for review by the manufacturer for testing, especially when I see their ads in the side frames...

[Ice Czar]

its mostly Gallium
thermal conductivity of 40.6 W/(m·K)
10g $56.90
(as opposed to roughly roughly one gram for $20 from Coollabratory)

in the event you want to employ it as a calibration device best to use the 99.9999% stuff slightly more expensive
https://www1.fishersci.com/Coupon?cid=1334&gid=222432

http://www.hartscientific.com/products/primarystds.htm
http://www.cstl.nist.gov/div836/836....ouse99GaTP.pdf
https://srmors.nist.gov/view_detail.cfm?srm=1968 (pre-assembled and NIST traceable)
http://www.its-90.com/gaguide.html

29.7646°C Melting Point (ISO standard)


http://periodic.lanl.gov/elements/31.html
http://www.answers.com/topic/gallium

Since aluminum and gallium form a low-melting eutectic mixture, air transport of gallium poses a potential risk that the gallium could melt and leak from its container, possibly contacting the aluminum structure of the aircraft. If this were to occur, the gallium could attack the aluminum and weaken it, possibly with catastrophic results. For this reason, air transport regulations for gallium metal place stringent requirements on the packaging and maximum permissible quantities of the gallium.

rumor is its cut with indium and tin a bit

gallium isnt considered toxic its employed as a dental alloy
indium compounds are another matter

what I'd like to see is a head to head comparision of straight Gallium to Liquid Metal

[AngryAlpaca]

gallium isnt considered toxic its employed as a dental alloy

Well, not sure how valid that little stat is. Mercury is also used as a dental alloy, and we all know that it's quite toxic.

[Ice Czar]

its MSDS

http://www.acialloys.com/msds/ga.html

Potential Health Effects
Eye:
Causes eye irritation.

Skin:
Causes skin irritation. May be harmful if absorbed through the skin.
The toxicological properties of this material have not been fully
investigated. May cause contact dermatitis.

Ingestion:
May cause gastrointestinal irritation with nausea, vomiting and
diarrhea. The toxicological properties of this substance have not
been fully investigated. May be harmful if swallowed.

Inhalation:
Causes respiratory tract irritation. The toxicological properties of
this substance have not been fully investigated. May be harmful if
inhaled.

Chronic:
May cause bone marrow abnormalities with damage to blood forming
tissues. Administration of gallium to humans has caused metallic
taste, skin rashes, and bone marrow depression.

compared to say copper

Inhalation:
Inhalation of dusts and fumes of metallic copper causes irritation of the upper respiratory tract, congestion of nasal mucous membranes, ulceration and perforation of the nasal septum, and pharyngeal congestion. Inhalation of copper fumes may give rise to metal fume fever (high temperature, metallic taste, nausea, coughing, general weakness, muscle aches, and exhaustion).

Ingestion:
Copper ingestion causes nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, metallic taste, and diarrhea. Ingestion of large doses may cause stomach and intestine ulceration, jaundice, and kidney and liver damage.

Skin Contact:
Causes irritation to skin. Symptoms include redness, itching, and pain. Exposure to copper dust may cause a greenish-black skin discoloration.

Eye Contact:
Small copper particles in the eyes may cause irritation, discoloration, and damage.

Chronic Exposure:
Prolonged or repeated exposure to copper can discolor skin and hair and irritate the skin; may cause mild dermatitis, runny nose, and irritation of the mucous membranes. Repeated ingestion may damage the liver and kidneys. Repeated inhalation can cause chronic respiratory disease.

Aggravation of Pre-existing Conditions:
Persons with pre-existing skin disorders or impaired liver, kidney, or pulmonary function or pre-existing Wilson's disease may be more susceptible to the effects of this material.

while its not "fully" investigated, its not a highly toxic metal either (beryllium)
but any metal should be processed and employed with care