Pro Rad?

RickCain · 06-04-2002, 08:52 AM

Anyone used this rad before and what are their thoughts.

http://dtekcustoms.safeshopper.com/19/92.htm?414

UpAllNight · 06-04-2002, 09:00 AM

looks alot like the rad i have (chevette heater core with homemade shroud)same size as mine to

this rad preforms great for me u can see my temps in my sig and thats with a vcore of 2 volts

webmedic · 06-04-2002, 09:27 AM

Looks like the rads I use but I didn't get it there.

http://community.webshots.com/photo/...4938HamqDKaYhv

Here it is in a more finished look:

http://community.webshots.com/album/35111553UecmAe

bigben2k · 06-04-2002, 09:33 AM

It looks a lot like this, doesn't it?

Cyco-Dude · 06-04-2002, 10:30 AM

similar in size, but thats not the same rad as the one Dtek uses.
nevertheless, heater cores do well (whether its one you get from DDen, Dtek, or the auto-parts store lol). you'ld be happy with its performance, but there are some things to consider first.

do you have enough room for it? they are typically 7 1/2" tall, 6 1/8" wide, and 2" deep.

you'll have to make a shroud of some sort and duct the fan to the heater core for best results. you can do this with a cardboard cereal box and duct tape if you want (ghetto, but it works lol). dtek sells one also, but its kind of pricey.

next is mounting the rad to your case. this isnt that big a deal; just go to the hardware store and get some proper sized bolts (i use 6x32 thread bolts that are 2 1/2" long) and screw them thru the cores fins.

bigben2k · 06-04-2002, 10:36 AM

Right on CD!

The above pic is a heater core for an '85 Chevy Chevette, and is available for $22. It measures 6 x 6 1/8 x 2 inches and has 3/4 ID, 5/8 OD fittings.

I found it at NapaOnline.com .

(It even comes with a 90 day warranty, LOL!)

Cyco-Dude · 06-04-2002, 10:40 AM

if you get one from the auto-parts store, try soldering a shroud to it. make it cover the sides of the core too (like the black ice rads). it'll make it look nicer. i wouldve done something like that myself, but ive got *no* room to play with on the sides lol.

just be sure to paint that ugly thing if you have a window

Spinoza · 06-04-2002, 11:39 AM

I have the Dtek radiator. Got it last fall to cool the dual Athlon. Works great.

kalvnhobbz · 06-04-2002, 05:58 PM

i don't see why it would be more expensive or any better than the other heater cores on dtek's site. other than that it's black and has chrome barbs, i don't see why it's "The Ultimate Radiator."

webmedic · 06-04-2002, 06:21 PM

Thats the point he's saying ultimate because it looks better.

pHaestus · 06-04-2002, 10:41 PM

??

mkosem · 06-04-2002, 11:00 PM

yep, you got it pH!

--Matt

kalvnhobbz · 06-04-2002, 11:24 PM

i've got the same radiator as you, phaestus, and have yet to build a shroud... what is yours made of and how did you make it?

Brad · 06-06-2002, 02:21 AM

pH's pic shows the true pro/rad, dual 120's with snowflake grills

pHaestus · 06-06-2002, 07:36 AM

well a TRUE pro/rad would have a 172mm Rotron on it

RickCain · 06-06-2002, 09:52 AM

Well I just replaced my BIX with the pro rad and my idle temps went from 36c to 29-30c and max is now 33c. Crazy

bigben2k · 06-06-2002, 09:55 AM

Not Crazy at all...
http://www.procooling.com/reviews/ht...on_1_-_8.shtml

Cyco-Dude · 06-06-2002, 01:21 PM

that was a Black Ice Prime in that roundup, not the Black Ice Xtreme.
3C difference eh? maybe that becuase the HC is a lot bigger? :shrug:

bigben2k · 06-06-2002, 01:52 PM

The results are still consistant with the review... You can't beat a heatercore.

pHaestus · 06-06-2002, 02:02 PM

Black Ice Extreme is a heatercore design unlike the original black ice. It relies on more tightly pcked fins to offset its smaller size, so with fans in the noise range I like (I am old and cantanekrous about this sort of thing) then a heatercore will do much better (fins typically spread apart more). The Extreme also needs a proper fan duct on it, same as a heatercore. Give a fan a 1" duct and you should see some improvement in temps with the extreme.

Cyco-Dude · 06-06-2002, 04:02 PM

all the BI rads are a 'heater core' design, its just the BIX got bigger and has fewer passes / more parrallel channels (according to HWlabs anyway).

actually, its more of a radiator design if youve ever looked at your cars radiator befor...heater cores (at least the ones Dtek and DDen sell) have a slightly different fin and channel layout. but anyhow....

pHaestus · 06-06-2002, 04:33 PM

According to the procooling roundup:

"The flow goes from one of the fittings down the first 3 tubes, then weaves up and down every 3rd set of tubes."

I think that would make black ice prime 4 pass?

Cyco-Dude · 06-06-2002, 04:37 PM

that would be correct. oh, thats what you meant by being a 'heater core' design, in that the BIX was only 2 passes? its all gravy to me...the priciple was what i was talking about (thin tubes w/ fins), not the actual number of passes.

hey, did you see the new 80mm rads over @ HWlabs? i also posted a thread in the news section. hehe, maybe Joe can make a Pro/Mini-mini-MINI. lol

bigben2k · 06-06-2002, 04:48 PM

There's been so many versions of the Black Ice, I can't even keep up with them!

As far as I know:
1-Black Ice
2-Black Ice Prime
3-Black Ice Pro (available in three other colors)
4-Black Ice Extreme
5-Black Ice Extreme rev 2.0

And somewhere in there appeared a Black Ice, High performance (twice the size)

and now there's a new Black Ice Micro.

I don't know. '85 Chevy Chevette seems simpler to me...

Cyco-Dude · 06-06-2002, 04:50 PM

the BI prime was the original. then there was the BI 2 (essentially a regular BI, except twice as long). then the BIX came out, then the BI pro (revised BI prime), and now an 80mm one called the BI micro. its all there on HWlabs' website if you click on "products" up @ the top...

06-04-2002, 08:52 AM	#1
RickCain Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 110	Pro Rad? Anyone used this rad before and what are their thoughts. http://dtekcustoms.safeshopper.com/19/92.htm?414

06-04-2002, 09:00 AM	#2
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	looks alot like the rad i have (chevette heater core with homemade shroud)same size as mine to this rad preforms great for me u can see my temps in my sig and thats with a vcore of 2 volts __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

06-04-2002, 09:27 AM	#3
webmedic Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cheney, Wa Posts: 367	Looks like the rads I use but I didn't get it there. http://community.webshots.com/photo/...4938HamqDKaYhv Here it is in a more finished look: http://community.webshots.com/album/35111553UecmAe __________________ www.water-cool.com

06-04-2002, 10:36 AM	#6
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Right on CD! The above pic is a heater core for an '85 Chevy Chevette, and is available for $22. It measures 6 x 6 1/8 x 2 inches and has 3/4 ID, 5/8 OD fittings. I found it at NapaOnline.com . (It even comes with a 90 day warranty, LOL!) __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-04-2002, 11:39 AM	#8
Spinoza Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 42	I have the Dtek radiator. Got it last fall to cool the dual Athlon. Works great. __________________ Thunder K7 Athlon 1800's Danger Den/Ehiem to cool jig of RAM http://www.cs.oswego.edu/~vito/complete.jpg

06-04-2002, 10:30 AM	#5
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	similar in size, but thats not the same rad as the one Dtek uses. nevertheless, heater cores do well (whether its one you get from DDen, Dtek, or the auto-parts store lol). you'ld be happy with its performance, but there are some things to consider first. do you have enough room for it? they are typically 7 1/2" tall, 6 1/8" wide, and 2" deep. you'll have to make a shroud of some sort and duct the fan to the heater core for best results. you can do this with a cardboard cereal box and duct tape if you want (ghetto, but it works lol). dtek sells one also, but its kind of pricey. next is mounting the rad to your case. this isnt that big a deal; just go to the hardware store and get some proper sized bolts (i use 6x32 thread bolts that are 2 1/2" long) and screw them thru the cores fins.

06-04-2002, 10:40 AM	#7
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	if you get one from the auto-parts store, try soldering a shroud to it. make it cover the sides of the core too (like the black ice rads). it'll make it look nicer. i wouldve done something like that myself, but ive got no room to play with on the sides lol. just be sure to paint that ugly thing if you have a window

06-04-2002, 05:58 PM	#9
kalvnhobbz Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 27	i don't see why it would be more expensive or any better than the other heater cores on dtek's site. other than that it's black and has chrome barbs, i don't see why it's "The Ultimate Radiator."

06-04-2002, 06:21 PM	#10
webmedic Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Cheney, Wa Posts: 367	Thats the point he's saying ultimate because it looks better. __________________ www.water-cool.com

06-04-2002, 10:41 PM	#11
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Pro/Rad? ??

06-04-2002, 11:00 PM	#12
mkosem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: here Posts: 494	yep, you got it pH! --Matt __________________ If you can't cool it, blow it up!! http://www.mattkosem.com

06-04-2002, 11:24 PM	#13
kalvnhobbz Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 27	i've got the same radiator as you, phaestus, and have yet to build a shroud... what is yours made of and how did you make it? Last edited by kalvnhobbz; 06-04-2002 at 11:27 PM.

06-06-2002, 02:21 AM	#14
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	pH's pic shows the true pro/rad, dual 120's with snowflake grills __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

06-06-2002, 07:36 AM	#15
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	well a TRUE pro/rad would have a 172mm Rotron on it

06-06-2002, 09:52 AM	#16
RickCain Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 110	Well I just replaced my BIX with the pro rad and my idle temps went from 36c to 29-30c and max is now 33c. Crazy

06-06-2002, 09:55 AM	#17
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Not Crazy at all... http://www.procooling.com/reviews/ht...on_1_-_8.shtml __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-06-2002, 01:21 PM	#18
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	that was a Black Ice Prime in that roundup, not the Black Ice Xtreme. 3C difference eh? maybe that becuase the HC is a lot bigger? :shrug:

06-06-2002, 01:52 PM	#19
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	The results are still consistant with the review... You can't beat a heatercore. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-06-2002, 02:02 PM	#20
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Black Ice Extreme is a heatercore design unlike the original black ice. It relies on more tightly pcked fins to offset its smaller size, so with fans in the noise range I like (I am old and cantanekrous about this sort of thing) then a heatercore will do much better (fins typically spread apart more). The Extreme also needs a proper fan duct on it, same as a heatercore. Give a fan a 1" duct and you should see some improvement in temps with the extreme.

06-06-2002, 04:02 PM	#21
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	all the BI rads are a 'heater core' design, its just the BIX got bigger and has fewer passes / more parrallel channels (according to HWlabs anyway). actually, its more of a radiator design if youve ever looked at your cars radiator befor...heater cores (at least the ones Dtek and DDen sell) have a slightly different fin and channel layout. but anyhow....

06-06-2002, 04:33 PM	#22
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	According to the procooling roundup: "The flow goes from one of the fittings down the first 3 tubes, then weaves up and down every 3rd set of tubes." I think that would make black ice prime 4 pass?

06-06-2002, 04:37 PM	#23
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	that would be correct. oh, thats what you meant by being a 'heater core' design, in that the BIX was only 2 passes? its all gravy to me...the priciple was what i was talking about (thin tubes w/ fins), not the actual number of passes. hey, did you see the new 80mm rads over @ HWlabs? i also posted a thread in the news section. hehe, maybe Joe can make a Pro/Mini-mini-MINI. lol Last edited by Cyco-Dude; 06-06-2002 at 04:39 PM.

06-06-2002, 04:48 PM	#24
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	There's been so many versions of the Black Ice, I can't even keep up with them! As far as I know: 1-Black Ice 2-Black Ice Prime 3-Black Ice Pro (available in three other colors) 4-Black Ice Extreme 5-Black Ice Extreme rev 2.0 And somewhere in there appeared a Black Ice, High performance (twice the size) and now there's a new Black Ice Micro. I don't know. '85 Chevy Chevette seems simpler to me... __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-06-2002, 04:50 PM	#25
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	the BI prime was the original. then there was the BI 2 (essentially a regular BI, except twice as long). then the BIX came out, then the BI pro (revised BI prime), and now an 80mm one called the BI micro. its all there on HWlabs' website if you click on "products" up @ the top... Last edited by Cyco-Dude; 06-06-2002 at 04:52 PM.

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