Back from the LSPR Rally

Joe · 10-20-2002, 04:35 PM

Well the Rally was a ****ing blast!

Only yook 6 hours to drive up to Houghton, MI. and then it was all just a party on wheels!. There was plenty of forest road driving (well more than just normal driving, you get the idea). Me and my bud hung out in the freezing, raining, snowing, sleeting weather all Friday and Saturday on Rally Stages, kicking back with our stove, a pot of hot water, and all the mixing for some nice "Irish" Hot Coco

hehehe Also had a plentiful supply of beer I took up with me.

I am dumping the 3 hours of MiniDV video tapes I filled up to my DVE box now... I will have some cool pics and video segments from the rally. Was a very very cool deal, and I hope to be at the *Snow Drift rally in MI early next year.

heres a pic of the lil setup me and my drunken bud had: ( BTW thats only 1/4th the beer I took up there

) For those interested this pic is off of a corner in Stage 4.

mfpmax · 10-20-2002, 04:41 PM

I haven't been to a drag strip or an autoX in a month...HURRY! Must get my fix!

Joe · 10-20-2002, 04:49 PM

Drag Strip... thats not racing!!! thats Mullet Sports!

mfpmax · 10-20-2002, 05:02 PM

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Originally posted by Joe
Drag Strip... thats not racing!!! thats Mullet Sports!

NASCAR is mullet sport...

get it right.

MeltMan · 10-20-2002, 05:03 PM

Indeed...

Joe · 10-20-2002, 05:56 PM

Nascar is just one of many Mullet Sports. Atleast in Nascar they need to TURN so it takes a hair of tallent.

Drag racing its the original no talent Mullet Sport. ( I am talking all the kiddies taking their cars down to the strip to measure their dicks... A car is only as good as its driver and if its driver cant turn, then what good is a car? )

"Any fool can run in a straight line"

Lateral G forces are your friend.

mfpmax · 10-20-2002, 06:32 PM

uh oh...feet being stepped on.

The skill in drag racing is to keep a 1400HP car going straight...since the strip isn't perfectly flat or smooth.

Also clutch control and throttle control and watching the tree is another skill.

Nascar has skills...but its...well..boring.

Nobody talks about HP, nobody talks about tuning...its get in and draft.

That and NASCAR has yet to be exported to other countries...unlike Drag Racing

Besides...I can say AutoX is as well...I mean its got a nickname of being Parking Lot Racing...sounds ghetto to me. I mean if you really want a challenge, try the Japanese variant of AutoX where they have the most outrageous looking courses that require spinning around a cone several times and sliding the rear end around.

But yeah, NASCAR sucks...and where are the pictures

DarkEdge · 10-20-2002, 06:35 PM

Nascar only sucks on TV. I love going to the Texas Motor Speedway for races. Ofcourse we take our friends RV and stay for 3 days almost.

Joe · 10-20-2002, 06:53 PM

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Originally posted by mfpmax
uh oh...feet being stepped on.

The skill in drag racing is to keep a 1400HP car going straight...since the strip isn't perfectly flat or smooth.

Also clutch control and throttle control and watching the tree is another skill.

Nascar has skills...but its...well..boring.

Nobody talks about HP, nobody talks about tuning...its get in and draft.

That and NASCAR has yet to be exported to other countries...unlike Drag Racing

Besides...I can say AutoX is as well...I mean its got a nickname of being Parking Lot Racing...sounds ghetto to me. I mean if you really want a challenge, try the Japanese variant of AutoX where they have the most outrageous looking courses that require spinning around a cone several times and sliding the rear end around.

But yeah, NASCAR sucks...and where are the pictures

You just have never been to a good AutoX I guess in the US. There are a handful of Madison AutoX's which are brutal and some people do flick the car around, but as most drivers will tell you, thats rarely if ever the fastest line. ( since AutoX courses do NOT get to a speed level that a slide like that is benificial).

NHRA and Top Fuel type dragsters... TOTALY different that the no talent mullet sports I am talking about... I am talking about all the kiddies and non pro drag folks. Any "Professional" level of an auto sport is respectable to a point. But its hard to call what the rejects do down at the strip with mom and dads car "respectable". Learn how to turn kiddies.

And NASCAR has been exported, there are 2 European Spec stock car series, one Australian, and one in asia also. Oval racing of spec cars is nothing unique to the US. Even Nascar drivers can handle a road course or 2! I would fear to see some of the straight line racers be confronted with a off camber decreasing radius turn...

if the entire capacity of the race is trying to not fry a clutch and hold the steering wheel straight for 10 - 20 seconds then thats not really much compared to someone who concentrates about a line, and has to shift 40 times per lap for 80 laps on a road course and control 900 Hp in and out of turns, all while driving in a group of cars at 180 Mph.

Drag is for the weak and the simple among us. Want to prove something, learn to drive good.. cause in drag racing its all about money.. the more money you have the faster you go. In an road course, or shit even a Rally, someone whos invested 10,000$ has a chance of SPANKINg someone with a 90,000$ car if they can drive good enough. Hmm even an AutoX... a 5000$ car could walk all over a 200,000$ supercar if the driver is good enough.

see a theme here? The driver is the important part in the sports I admire, the car is just a tool for them. In Drag, the Driver is the tool, and the car just wants them to press a button, push a peddal, hold on, and hit the brake at the end. wow Skill.

Mullets!!!

mfpmax · 10-20-2002, 07:10 PM

Eww, nobody cares about the 18 year old that goes to Track night in his mom's Accord.

As for NASCAR being exported...why isn't it on TV...cause it sucks.

NASCAR drivers can handle a road course(Sears Point), but they don't drive their Circle course cars...they drive a separate car made for the road course, compeletely built different. And boy its funny watching them turn.

V8 SUPERCARS 4 LIFE.

And no, I've heard about good AutoX, then there is also Solo 2...good lord. The bigger events are somewhat different than the smaller events since some of the people don't compete at both. I have a friend in North Florida where they have a large open course...not a skip pad like we have.

Also, ever look into Bracket Racing...thats a sport where large amounts of money aren't required. Skill is required there.

And clutch control isn't about frying your clutch in a Top Fuel car...clutch control is keeping the tires from smoking and loosing traction.

Yeah Drag Racing is about money, but so is AutoX. Any automotive hobby requires money, how much depends on the hobby.

Now stop teasing me...I missed an AutoX today because my car is busted and I missed Drag Racing yesterday...

I NEED MY FIX OF FUEL!

Oh yeah, i'm a car guy...which is why I like both...in NASCAR, like I said earlier, they don't talk about nothing but drafting.

But I like horsepower more than turning, which is why I watch AutoX and would like to drag race in a decently powered vehicle.

Joe · 10-20-2002, 07:31 PM

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Originally posted by mfpmax
As for NASCAR being exported...why isn't it on TV...cause it sucks.

NASCAR drivers can handle a road course(Sears Point), but they don't drive their Circle course cars...they drive a separate car made for the road course, compeletely built different. And boy its funny watching them turn.

And no, I've heard about good AutoX, then there is also Solo 2...good lord. The bigger events are somewhat different than the smaller events since some of the people don't compete at both. I have a friend in North Florida where they have a large open course...not a skip pad like we have.

Also, ever look into Bracket Racing...thats a sport where large amounts of money aren't required. Skill is required there.

And clutch control isn't about frying your clutch in a Top Fuel car...clutch control is keeping the tires from smoking and loosing traction.

Yeah Drag Racing is about money, but so is AutoX. Any automotive hobby requires money, how much depends on the hobby.

Oh yeah, i'm a car guy...which is why I like both...in NASCAR, like I said earlier, they don't talk about nothing but drafting.

Umm cummon you cant leave a debate this open!!! Fire in the hole!:

1. Yes it is on TV, you get the UK and European TV? what about Aussy? Its a fairly big sport in those areas. Only auto series that are on TV in the US that are based in other countries are series that the US doesnt have itself or are series that the US teams participate in. Aussy has an awesome V8 series, where they race cars that would make most mullet power heads cream, and they run them ON ROAD COURSES!.. thats not on TV here either.. but it sure as hell rocks!

2. A car built for a specific course... welcome to motor sports! Almost any series has different chassis for different events. CART and IRL cars are also different between ovals and street and road courses. Same with F1 they tweak the cars for every course cause all are different.

3. AutoX is Solo2... atleast any and all around here. I have only run or spectated at SCCA AutoX's which are classified as Solo2 and are under the Solo2 classifications for the cars.

4. Require'n money isnt the same as being 100% Dependant on money. Since drag is all about power and almost not at all about driver its purely money driven since the only way to go faster is to put more money into the car. For AutoX or anything where you turn, the driver becomes the biggest factor in the speed of the car since you can exploit advantages and compensate for weaknesses in your car by your driving and not by just dumping more money into it. More power = More money. More speed in real racing = good driver.

5. Nascar is a SPEC race series. you know what the deffinition of SPEC is? their cars are all as close to eachother as possible, their engines are all putting out the spec amount of power and have restrictions in place on their design. you never hear F1 drivers, WRC drivers, Pro Rally drivers, or any of those SPEC classes talk about HP cause its not a real concern. They all have the most they can have. the only real difference is power curve, speed the car gets into the curve etc... Nascar doesnt talk about drifting because its not effective for their racing just as its not for F1 ( which is considered the premire auto racing series on the planet). Drifting is limited to a VERY small group of racing which covers about all Dirt oval racing and rally racing.

Everyone has their own thing, the whole excitement about Drag racing escapes me. 10 seconds of high G loads in one direction... Give me a 2 hour race where you are hammered with Gloads of up to 2 Gs in every direction ( or if you are in a serious race car 4G's... F1 cars can hit 6G's in some cases drivers normally cant handle that though) the feeling of 4 wheels gripping to the ground like magnets and just hammering turn after turn in the power band, apexing and getting a line... How much more fun can there be?!

"Guide to drag race - Hit head with hammer, start car, press gas, release clutch, hit brake when you cross line." hehehe

mfpmax · 10-20-2002, 07:49 PM

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Originally posted by Joe
Umm cummon you cant leave a debate this open!!! Fire in the hole!:

1. Yes it is on TV, you get the UK and European TV? what about Aussy? Its a fairly big sport in those areas. Only auto series that are on TV in the US that are based in other countries are series that the US doesnt have itself or are series that the US teams participate in. Aussy has an awesome V8 series, where they race cars that would make most mullet power heads cream, and they run them ON ROAD COURSES!.. thats not on TV here either.. but it sure as hell rocks!

2. A car built for a specific course... welcome to motor sports! Almost any series has different chassis for different events. CART and IRL cars are also different between ovals and street and road courses. Same with F1 they tweak the cars for every course cause all are different.

3. AutoX is Solo2... atleast any and all around here. I have only run or spectated at SCCA AutoX's which are classified as Solo2 and are under the Solo2 classifications for the cars.

4. Require'n money isnt the same as being 100% Dependant on money. Since drag is all about power and almost not at all about driver its purely money driven since the only way to go faster is to put more money into the car. For AutoX or anything where you turn, the driver becomes the biggest factor in the speed of the car since you can exploit advantages and compensate for weaknesses in your car by your driving and not by just dumping more money into it. More power = More money. More speed in real racing = good driver.

5. Nascar is a SPEC race series. you know what the deffinition of SPEC is? their cars are all as close to eachother as possible, their engines are all putting out the spec amount of power and have restrictions in place on their design. you never hear F1 drivers, WRC drivers, Pro Rally drivers, or any of those SPEC classes talk about HP cause its not a real concern. They all have the most they can have. the only real difference is power curve, speed the car gets into the curve etc... Nascar doesnt talk about drifting because its not effective for their racing just as its not for F1 ( which is considered the premire auto racing series on the planet). Drifting is limited to a VERY small group of racing which covers about all Dirt oval racing and rally racing.

Everyone has their own thing, the whole excitement about Drag racing escapes me. 10 seconds of high G loads in one direction... Give me a 2 hour race where you are hammered with Gloads of up to 2 Gs in every direction ( or if you are in a serious race car 4G's... F1 cars can hit 6G's in some cases drivers normally cant handle that though) the feeling of 4 wheels gripping to the ground like magnets and just hammering turn after turn in the power band, apexing and getting a line... How much more fun can there be?!

"Guide to drag race - Hit head with hammer, start car, press gas, release clutch, hit brake when you cross line." hehehe

I don't get to talk about cars here...so duh I'm gonna leave it open

1.) SpeedVision(back when it was cool) showed all sorts of races from other countries...Such as the UK and Aussie V8 Supercar races...they also show Semi truck races, WRC, Go-Kart(in the UK). The only thing I haven't seen is JGTC racing from Japan...oh god do I want to.

2.) Grassroots Motorsports Challenge, you take one car and compete in 3 different events...Drag Racing, Car Show, and Road Course. 1 Car.

3.) Our AutoX isn't Solo2, its SCCA, but not big time. I don't speak for Solo2 cause thats the good stuff.

4.) Bracket racing requires money to go faster...but in the end its driver dependent. Same goes for AutoX, a guy has a tricked out Civic hatch with a Integra Type R engine...he is the fastest out there...I bet he didn't get there by being cheap though.

5.) Thats why NASCAR sucks now...you can't be different. AutoX and Drag Racing you can almost run anything you want. Back in the 70s Everybody but GM got something banned because they were different. The HEMIs were banned, the Big Wing Birds were banned. NASCAR sucks cause they want you to conform.

AutoX can be summed up as "Turn, don't hit cone, push pedal, Turn" But its not that simple, i've ridden with people in AutoX, and it requires more, which is why I don't AutoX. Cause Drag Racing a 200HP car is "Push Pedal, keep straight" Above 300HP and you've got more work to do. Same goes for AutoX, cause when you've got a 120HP car kicking your but and you've got a tricked out 400HP car...you've got to do a little better on the next go around.

Can I have a sneak picture please?

Joe · 10-20-2002, 08:20 PM

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Originally posted by mfpmax
I don't get to talk about cars here...so duh I'm gonna leave it open

1.) SpeedVision(back when it was cool) showed all sorts of races from other countries...Such as the UK and Aussie V8 Supercar races...they also show Semi truck races, WRC, Go-Kart(in the UK). The only thing I haven't seen is JGTC racing from Japan...oh god do I want to.

2.) Grassroots Motorsports Challenge, you take one car and compete in 3 different events...Drag Racing, Car Show, and Road Course. 1 Car.

3.) Our AutoX isn't Solo2, its SCCA, but not big time. I don't speak for Solo2 cause thats the good stuff.

4.) Bracket racing requires money to go faster...but in the end its driver dependent. Same goes for AutoX, a guy has a tricked out Civic hatch with a Integra Type R engine...he is the fastest out there...I bet he didn't get there by being cheap though.

5.) Thats why NASCAR sucks now...you can't be different. AutoX and Drag Racing you can almost run anything you want. Back in the 70s Everybody but GM got something banned because they were different. The HEMIs were banned, the Big Wing Birds were banned. NASCAR sucks cause they want you to conform.

AutoX can be summed up as "Turn, don't hit cone, push pedal, Turn" But its not that simple, i've ridden with people in AutoX, and it requires more, which is why I don't AutoX. Cause Drag Racing a 200HP car is "Push Pedal, keep straight" Above 300HP and you've got more work to do. Same goes for AutoX, cause when you've got a 120HP car kicking your but and you've got a tricked out 400HP car...you've got to do a little better on the next go around.

Can I have a sneak picture please?

I wouldnt rely on SpeedTV or for all your Sports goodness. I post in many F1 and WRC forums and we often get on the topic of local sports in the different countries.. there is much you dont see on NascarTV ..err SpeedTV

Umm Check the SCCA deffinition for Solo2, its AutoCross. Now running AutoX's outside of Solo2 classifications and rules happens a lot. so I guess it comes down to Any Solo2 is an AutoX, but All AutoX's do not have to use the solo2 rules and classifications. All the events I participate in are Solo2 and SCCA controled which is nice.

Someone with a 500$ Go Kart could spank a INtegra Type R on an AutoX course. Same thing with a stock beat up MR2, if the drivers good. it all comes back to driver skill NOT money put into the car. a 2.5L 165Hp Impreza 2.5RS can HAMMER a 300 Hp Modified WRX with Tarmac suspension and wider wheels. I have seen it happen quite often. All cause the guy in the RS is damn good and the guy in the WRX is OK. When the good driver took the WRX for a spin he clocked damn near 6 seconds faster on the course than the other guys fastest time in only 1 run. Money is involved in the starting but once you build a stable base that doesnt need to be the best out there, you work on perfecting what you can on it instead of trying to cover for the driving handicap you have by spending more and more more money. Which is what you have to do any way in a Drag since its all about power and none about driver. It may take a driver a season to learn a car and perfect it in club racing, but in a drag, give it 3 runs and the drivers learned all there is.

You ever get to an autoX early enough to see the drivers walking the course planning lines and braking points? Putting thought into the drive and building plans of attack? good AutoX drivers dont see the cones, they see the line and they perfect the line and try to run it as smooth as possible. Same goes for any sport where there is a line that needs to be planned out and perfected. This would be a more accurate description of how to AutoX "build a plan, trail brake through the turn, control ballance of the car, left foot brake, accelerate at the apex of the turn"

Which is much more complex than just trying to keep those big 2 ft wide tires from spinning on the back of the mullet mobile

BTW I have witnessed a mid 80's VW GTI (preped) eat a '01 Porsche 911 Turbo on an autoX course

Umm maybe you fail to understand the meaning of "STOCK cars" "Stock" These are cars that all fit into one SPEC. What you need to do is look at a series like American LeMans for multi Class racing, where cars CAN and ARE different but still all within Specs of eachother.

100% Spec racing like F1, IRL, CART, NASCAR, all the Feeder series, Star Mazda, Karts, etc... all restrict the race machine so the focus is on the race driver. Since thats whats important, who is the best driver not just who can buy the fastest car. ( in theory... most spec classes when you get to the insane price tags of F1 and such get around the spec restrictions and find loop holes for small advantages... look at Ferrari this year... but Schumacher is an awesome driver in any car hes in.)

Joe · 10-20-2002, 08:33 PM

BTW here is a quick clip of one of the night passes:

http://www.procooling.com/~clegg/lspr/nightshot.wmv

That shot I am about 15 ft from the track, in others I am 3 ft away from the cars when they go by on ice at 80 Mph

mfpmax · 10-20-2002, 08:39 PM

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Originally posted by Joe
I wouldnt rely on SpeedTV or for all your Sports goodness. I post in many F1 and WRC forums and we often get on the topic of local sports in the different countries.. there is much you dont see on NascarTV ..err SpeedTV

Umm Check the SCCA deffinition for Solo2, its AutoCross. Now running AutoX's outside of Solo2 classifications and rules happens a lot. so I guess it comes down to Any Solo2 is an AutoX, but All AutoX's do not have to use the solo2 rules and classifications. All the events I participate in are Solo2 and SCCA controled which is nice.

Someone with a 500$ Go Kart could spank a INtegra Type R on an AutoX course. Same thing with a stock beat up MR2, if the drivers good. it all comes back to driver skill NOT money put into the car. a 2.5L 165Hp Impreza 2.5RS can HAMMER a 300 Hp Modified WRX with Tarmac suspension and wider wheels. I have seen it happen quite often. All cause the guy in the RS is damn good and the guy in the WRX is OK. When the good driver took the WRX for a spin he clocked damn near 6 seconds faster on the course than the other guys fastest time in only 1 run. Money is involved in the starting but once you build a stable base that doesnt need to be the best out there, you work on perfecting what you can on it instead of trying to cover for the driving handicap you have by spending more and more more money. Which is what you have to do any way in a Drag since its all about power and none about driver. It may take a driver a season to learn a car and perfect it in club racing, but in a drag, give it 3 runs and the drivers learned all there is.

You ever get to an autoX early enough to see the drivers walking the course planning lines and braking points? Putting thought into the drive and building plans of attack? good AutoX drivers dont see the cones, they see the line and they perfect the line and try to run it as smooth as possible. Same goes for any sport where there is a line that needs to be planned out and perfected. This would be a more accurate description of how to AutoX "build a plan, trail brake through the turn, control ballance of the car, left foot brake, accelerate at the apex of the turn"

Which is much more complex than just trying to keep those big 2 ft wide tires from spinning on the back of the mullet mobile

BTW I have witnessed a mid 80's VW GTI (preped) eat a '01 Porsche 911 Turbo on an autoX course

Umm maybe you fail to understand the meaning of "STOCK cars" "Stock" These are cars that all fit into one SPEC. What you need to do is look at a series like American LeMans for multi Class racing, where cars CAN and ARE different but still all within Specs of eachother.

100% Spec racing like F1, IRL, CART, NASCAR, all the Feeder series, Star Mazda, Karts, etc... all restrict the race machine so the focus is on the race driver. Since thats whats important, who is the best driver not just who can buy the fastest car. ( in theory... most spec classes when you get to the insane price tags of F1 and such get around the spec restrictions and find loop holes for small advantages... look at Ferrari this year... but Schumacher is an awesome driver in any car hes in.)

No, I'm talking about old skool SpeedVision... Not NASCAR TV...err...Speed Channel. So I won't ever use Speed channel as a basis for what I watch...because SpeedVision and Speed Channel are two different channels.

By Solo2, I mean the size...our AutoCross isn't classified under Solo2...and so its small...the comment made was only for the smaller venues. Not Solo2...you're lucky to get to attend them btw.

I know all about the Go-Kart beating a Type R...like I said, I goto AutoX events...but Drag Racing does require the driver...don't let the looks fool you...you still need to steer. As it looks, what you refer to is low level drag racing...cause like I said, anything above 300HP and Bracket racing requires more skill than you think.

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Which is much more complex than just trying to keep those big 2 ft wide tires from spinning on the back of the mullet mobile

Actually, they are about the same.

Stock cars...uh yeah...they are far from stock...going back to the 70s...back when you could buy a 70 Dodge Charger with a 426 HEMI and slap some numbers on the side and win the race...but guess what, you win too much, you get banned...NASCAR loses again.

Don't put F1 in the same sentence as NASCAR...please.

Like I said, I'm into both AutoX and Drag. In fact, 3 weeks ago, I emptied my gas tank because on Saturday, I went to the drag strip, on Sunday I went to the SCCA event in the opposite direction. I like drag more...but saying it doesn't require skill is far from correct.

mfpmax · 10-20-2002, 09:17 PM

btw, Gymkhana is the japanese autocross I spoke of...its freakishly sweet, much harder on tires though. Better stack up with a trailer full of Kuhmos if you plan on attending one of these.

Joe · 10-20-2002, 09:22 PM

They are also running R34's and Supra's over there. Stuff that would be able to smack down even some of the biggest US muscle cars, and they can handle with a top end sports car still

AWD 600 Hp R34... oh the love.

mfpmax · 10-20-2002, 09:33 PM

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Originally posted by Joe
They are also running R34's and Supra's over there. Stuff that would be able to smack down even some of the biggest US muscle cars, and they can handle with a top end sports car still AWD 600 Hp R34... oh the love.

You SOB! You had to mention those...

The king of Gymkhana are the AE86 Corrolas though...

And Supras actually are lower class vehicles in Japan...the Skylines are up there though...600HP...please...try the 900HP demons they've got.

RB26DETT goodness.
http://www.exvitermini.com/

Joe · 10-20-2002, 09:37 PM

AE86 goodness

and yes Supras are about where camaro's are over here. But just as with some camaro's there are some DAMN impressive supras... need I meantion the 1400 Hp JUN Supra?

mfpmax · 10-20-2002, 09:43 PM

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Originally posted by Joe
AE86 goodness

and yes Supras are about where camaro's are over here. But just as with some camaro's there are some DAMN impressive supras... need I meantion the 1400 Hp JUN Supra?

I know JUN very well

But here in Florida...we've got our own Supra monster.

Titan Motorsports 9 Second Supra...900+ HP, one of two of the fastest Supras in the US.

scopEDog · 10-21-2002, 01:40 PM

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if the entire capacity of the race is trying to not fry a clutch and hold the steering wheel straight for 10 - 20 seconds then thats not really much compared to someone who concentrates about a line, and has to shift 40 times per lap for 80 laps on a road course and control 900 Hp in and out of turns, all while driving in a group of cars at 180 Mph.

Drag is for the weak and the simple among us. Want to prove something, learn to drive good.. cause in drag racing its all about money.. the more money you have the faster you go. In an road course, or shit even a Rally, someone whos invested 10,000$ has a chance of SPANKINg someone with a 90,000$ car if they can drive good enough. Hmm even an AutoX... a 5000$ car could walk all over a 200,000$ supercar if the driver is good enough.

see a theme here? The driver is the important part in the sports I admire, the car is just a tool for them. In Drag, the Driver is the tool, and the car just wants them to press a button, push a peddal, hold on, and hit the brake at the end. wow Skill.

Amen brother..

I've been in a few AutoX's in a porsche club here in nyc. The sound a 600hp porsche makes is just pure music

AutoX is mostly driver skill as I've had POS civic hatchbacks beat me time wise (I drive a '00 Impreza 2.5rs..shows you how much i stink as an Autox'er

). The degree of skill needed for drag racing is nowhere near that of AutoX (I've done both many times)...but again this is totally my opinion. Joe it sounds like you need a fix...my car is for sale

ksw · 10-21-2002, 03:28 PM

ungh. i hate NASCAR because its SOOOO ****ing boring!
good old STCC is all that i want... well maybe a streetrace once in a while again < www.getawayinstockholm.com > but nothing beats a STCC game. its even fun on TV

NOW THIS IS RACING!

mfpmax · 10-21-2002, 03:50 PM

GIS is cool...can't wait to get GIS3

ksw · 10-22-2002, 06:12 AM

GIS3 is out in stores. havent you heard?

mfpmax · 10-22-2002, 09:36 AM

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Originally posted by ksw
GIS3 is out in stores. havent you heard?

Yeah, but I can't wait to get it...and I don't believe I can goto a store and buy it since I'm in the US.

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Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Nascar is just one of many Mullet Sports. Atleast in Nascar they need to TURN so it takes a hair of tallent. Drag racing its the original no talent Mullet Sport. ( I am talking all the kiddies taking their cars down to the strip to measure their dicks... A car is only as good as its driver and if its driver cant turn, then what good is a car? ) "Any fool can run in a straight line" Lateral G forces are your friend. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

10-20-2002, 06:32 PM	#7
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	uh oh...feet being stepped on. The skill in drag racing is to keep a 1400HP car going straight...since the strip isn't perfectly flat or smooth. Also clutch control and throttle control and watching the tree is another skill. Nascar has skills...but its...well..boring. Nobody talks about HP, nobody talks about tuning...its get in and draft. That and NASCAR has yet to be exported to other countries...unlike Drag Racing Besides...I can say AutoX is as well...I mean its got a nickname of being Parking Lot Racing...sounds ghetto to me. I mean if you really want a challenge, try the Japanese variant of AutoX where they have the most outrageous looking courses that require spinning around a cone several times and sliding the rear end around. But yeah, NASCAR sucks...and where are the pictures __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

10-20-2002, 06:35 PM	#8
DarkEdge Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Sugar Land, Tx Posts: 176	Nascar only sucks on TV. I love going to the Texas Motor Speedway for races. Ofcourse we take our friends RV and stay for 3 days almost.

10-20-2002, 07:10 PM	#10
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	Eww, nobody cares about the 18 year old that goes to Track night in his mom's Accord. As for NASCAR being exported...why isn't it on TV...cause it sucks. NASCAR drivers can handle a road course(Sears Point), but they don't drive their Circle course cars...they drive a separate car made for the road course, compeletely built different. And boy its funny watching them turn. V8 SUPERCARS 4 LIFE. And no, I've heard about good AutoX, then there is also Solo 2...good lord. The bigger events are somewhat different than the smaller events since some of the people don't compete at both. I have a friend in North Florida where they have a large open course...not a skip pad like we have. Also, ever look into Bracket Racing...thats a sport where large amounts of money aren't required. Skill is required there. And clutch control isn't about frying your clutch in a Top Fuel car...clutch control is keeping the tires from smoking and loosing traction. Yeah Drag Racing is about money, but so is AutoX. Any automotive hobby requires money, how much depends on the hobby. Now stop teasing me...I missed an AutoX today because my car is busted and I missed Drag Racing yesterday... I NEED MY FIX OF FUEL! Oh yeah, i'm a car guy...which is why I like both...in NASCAR, like I said earlier, they don't talk about nothing but drafting. But I like horsepower more than turning, which is why I watch AutoX and would like to drag race in a decently powered vehicle. __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

10-20-2002, 08:33 PM	#14
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	BTW here is a quick clip of one of the night passes: http://www.procooling.com/~clegg/lspr/nightshot.wmv That shot I am about 15 ft from the track, in others I am 3 ft away from the cars when they go by on ice at 80 Mph __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

10-20-2002, 09:17 PM	#16
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	btw, Gymkhana is the japanese autocross I spoke of...its freakishly sweet, much harder on tires though. Better stack up with a trailer full of Kuhmos if you plan on attending one of these. __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

10-20-2002, 09:22 PM	#17
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	They are also running R34's and Supra's over there. Stuff that would be able to smack down even some of the biggest US muscle cars, and they can handle with a top end sports car still AWD 600 Hp R34... oh the love. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

10-20-2002, 09:37 PM	#19
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	AE86 goodness and yes Supras are about where camaro's are over here. But just as with some camaro's there are some DAMN impressive supras... need I meantion the 1400 Hp JUN Supra? __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

10-21-2002, 03:28 PM	#22
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	ungh. i hate NASCAR because its SOOOO **ing boring! good old STCC is all that i want... well maybe a streetrace once in a while again < www.getawayinstockholm.com > but nothing beats a STCC game. its even fun on TV NOW THIS IS RACING!** __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

10-21-2002, 03:50 PM	#23
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	GIS is cool...can't wait to get GIS3 __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

10-22-2002, 06:12 AM	#24
ksw Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: SWEDEN(cold...) Posts: 195	GIS3 is out in stores. havent you heard? __________________ www.webraced.com <- addicted as hell /me is!

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