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Unread 07-28-2003, 12:05 PM   #26
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Actually, if you look at my first replies, they're completely innocent questions and in reply jd hasn't yet failed to mention that this forum isn't for noobs i.e. me.

Thank you uta.
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Unread 07-28-2003, 01:15 PM   #27
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Actually, if you look at my first replies, they're completely innocent questions and in reply jd hasn't yet failed to mention that this forum isn't for noobs i.e. me.

Thank you uta.
Your not a noob your your a "leet" noob and an ignorant fool not capable of reading or learning or to lazy to. Makes you a "leet" kiddie in my book. And people like you do lower the quality of this site with the comments you made and your way of thinking. (providing you not just a punk troll).

Anyway quote from the owner of this site:


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Excelent point to bring up. I want to clarify, I am NOT trying to get more traffic, I am actually really happy with what we have. I am trying to get some new material up on the site, and give our existing readers more goodies that they want.

I dont want all the "leet" kiddies coming over here in droves... that would really lower the quality of this forum quite a bit. Thats why I am asking YOU guys what YOU would like to see different to make what YOU guys are doing in the forums, more productive or cover more topics.


Anyone have any additional topics they want to see brought up in the forum?
http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=6667
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Unread 07-28-2003, 03:31 PM   #28
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I almost decided to reply with something about how much of an elitist (jerk) jd is, but he'd probably take it as a complement...

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And people like you do lower the quality of this site with the comments you made and your way of thinking.
Despite my best efforts to keep it cool around here, I can only stand jd's abuse for so long. I am, therefore, officially leaving this discussion.
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Unread 07-28-2003, 03:52 PM   #29
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I almost decided to reply with something about how much of an elitist (jerk) jd is, but he'd probably take it as a complement...

Maybe, but I am a newb conpared to a few around here and I know it.


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Despite my best efforts to keep it cool around here, I can only stand jd's abuse for so long. I am, therefore, officially leaving this discussion.
Don't forget to click on my profile and then select the "Add jaydee116 to Your ignore list" being you can't stand to listen to reality. Also being you shown you are to lazy to read anything or do any searching on how to do something through your various few posts on this site I will make it easy for you:
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Unread 07-29-2003, 05:02 PM   #30
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This is an interesting discussion because you both are right in different ways.

Nuson is saying that you can't apply science and engineering to block design because they are chaotic systems ... which is right if that can be translated into "sometimes intuition can prove fruitful." Any other interpretation, however, is ludicrous. Even considering the chaotic environment inside the block, chaos always boils down to an underlying order ... it is reality. Things always react in a certain way under a specific stimuli ... it is the way it works. It just happens that on the grand scale that this leads to entropy ... but that's a whole seperate topic.

As far as jaydee's statements go, he is right regardless of how you look at it. If you do a review, you need to be accurate. When I post temps and temp changes, I make it known that I'm not only using wildly inaccurate socket probes, but I also don't have exact measurements on anything else either. I can, however, measure by relativity. While this reviewer may have been redeemed via relativity, he didn't keep things equal in all tests nullifying his results utterly. To put any weight in them is absurd.

As far as attacking senior forum members goes, I take a harsh view of that for what it's worth. Jaydee has proven his knowledge and expertise in certain areas for a long period of time, and coming onto a thread spouting nonsense is what will get you smacked down by those with more expertise on this forum. It's happened to all of us, though many of us don't set ourselves up as spectacularly as you. What I find unforgivable is the personal nitpicking that is in Nuson's tone, even considering how generally ... roughedged (much like myself, though I tend more toward asshole than roughedged) he can be. Whether you (Nuson) want to admit it or not, your posts dripped of sarcasm, and that doesn't go over too well with anyone (and this is something I know well because I am one sarcastic SOB). Unfortunately, your sarcasm wasn't of the playful variety: it was definitely mocking.

If you want to attack those with greater experience, you better have more than "you never know" as proof to back up your claims. That kind of amateur bullsh!t doesn't fly around here, and that is the reason that this is one of the greatest cooling sites you'll ever find. If you want to blow smoke for entertainment, go do it on the [H] with the rest of the web's collected morons. Don't expect [H] style mealy-mouthed nonsense to take you far around here.

I have to disagree with Jaydee on one thing, for what its worth. Stick around. Learn the craft. Try to understand what we're talking about (I get lost in some of these discussions and I have my own level of expertise). It's the only way to better yourself ... and I'm sure you want to be more knowledgable, right? Just be sure that until a little bit of the group collective knowledge rubs off on you that you don't go attacking people again. Not only does it make people despise you now, but puts a stain on any future progress that you might help the community make. As for myself and many others here, however, we won't permit this place to become the cesspool that some other tech forums have become out of sheer obstinance. Please behave.

I'm going to stop preaching now ....
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Unread 07-29-2003, 06:36 PM   #31
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I don't need to be insulted, and I don't need to brag about my physics knowledge to qualify what I say. Water block design is not exactly serious thermal engineering. The chaotic nature of the physical processes happening inside a water block practically rules out this type of indepth analysis completely. It's more a matter of trial and error and best guesses.
I'd say this is completely wrong. Something may be chaotic, but it still follows established rules just the same.

Regardless I saw 6C and closed the link. Its obviously wrong.
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Unread 07-29-2003, 08:28 PM   #32
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I only want to say that There are 2 types of block builders.

On one end, we have JD and others, he's a tester, builds blocks, several revisions, each one of them he learns with his errors, rebuilds them better, learns again, another revision, etc etc.
No, it does not have much of a 'thermal engineering' Nuson.
And, to be honest, thats what? 90% of the blocks we see here?

PS: Im not saying bad about this kind of blocks. Its a very good way for 'normal' ppl to learn how to make a block more eficient by this or that way.

However Nuson, there are gods among us ( sorry for the expression :shrug: ).

In case of cathar, as long as i know of course, doesnt keep doing blocks. He makes 1, and its a killer.
Why is that? Because he uses Physics, knowledge, a test sofware he single-maded. Only math.
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Unread 07-29-2003, 08:33 PM   #33
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I only want to say that There are 2 types of block builders.

On one end, we have JD and others, he's a tester, builds blocks, several revisions, each one of them he learns with his errors, rebuilds them better, learns again, another revision, etc etc.
No, it does not have much of a 'thermal engineering' Nuson.
And, to be honest, thats what? 90% of the blocks we see here?

PS: Im not saying bad about this kind of blocks. Its a very good way for 'normal' ppl to learn how to make a block more eficient by this or that way.

However Nuson, there are gods among us ( sorry for the expression :shrug: ).

In case of cathar, as long as i know of course, doesnt keep doing blocks. He makes 1, and its a killer.
Why is that? Because he uses Physics, knowledge, a test sofware he single-maded. Only math.
Totally wrong. First off my blocks are designed with thermal and flow charicteristics in mind. I know what the block will do before I build it within a certain degree. The revisions are advancments and yes there is trial and error. But it is educated trial and error, that same engineers use. And NO Cathar does NOT make just one block and it is killer. He made several revisions of both the White Water and the Cascade. In fact from my count more revisions in each block than I ever put into one block.
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Unread 07-29-2003, 09:16 PM   #34
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The example was bad, but the concept is there.

There's a certain level of trial and error, that follows some pretty theoretical ideas. In the in-between, there are simulations, like Roscal did for my Radius block.

I like to think of Jd as a bit special, because he tends to deviate a little, from a plan . It's actually a good way to get some pretty awsome results. Take the lemon block for example: it's really top notch, and actually follows a plan, but look at the jet block, with the cup walls tilted out, and that went on a bit of a tangeant. Unfortunately, it hasn't paid off yet, but JD's been on this dimple idea for quite some time: Cathar and I just picked it up, and took it further.

I never thought that the Lemon block would perform as well as it does, but the design is actually pretty clever: you just have to look at it very closely.

Otherwise, I don't take being a senior member for granted. I've done a fair bit of work, all of which can be seen here. I don't assume that newcomers go back and read it all, so I occasionally post a link to what I've done.

(note to newbs: sort the posts by "thread starter", and just go down to the name you want to lookup).
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Unread 07-30-2003, 02:03 AM   #35
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And NO Cathar does NOT make just one block and it is killer. He made several revisions of both the White Water and the Cascade. In fact from my count more revisions in each block than I ever put into one block.
About 10 variations for the White Water, and about 20 variations for the Cascade.

The Cascade was significantly more expensive to develop than the White Water ever was, and that's even including getting nice "we know you now so we won't screw you" discounts from my machinists.

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Unread 07-30-2003, 02:55 PM   #36
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Eh.... ok.

I guess i was trying to say Cathar takes it to another level, in terms of using science!
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Unread 07-30-2003, 02:59 PM   #37
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Eh.... ok.

I guess i was trying to say Cathar takes it to another level, in terms of using science!
That I can agree with.
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