A real worklog update

pHaestus · 05-22-2004, 12:22 PM

Test equipment is starting to trickle in now; I had most of it shipped to Madison WI and will get it once it's been calibrated and set up to suit my purposes. I finished testing JayDee's "lumpy channel" wb last night and will post a graph here in a bit. Summary? Nice block; HORRIBLE name. I'm running the MCW6000-A now and will try to get reviews of both these blocks done by next week.

I am getting a little burned out on constant wb testing guys and so I am most likely going to take a little hiatus from that for the next few weeks. Instead I have a couple of Pro/Geeks articles I need to post, a water chiller to set up, and *gasp* I'd like to actually finish my main rig's cooling and get it set up. So things may slow down here for a while (I'm travelling much of June too) but don't be concerned.

pHaestus · 05-22-2004, 12:41 PM

hmm I forgot to post one other thing of importance

I am setting up a web page that fully describes my test equipment and methods. Hopefully I'll have it up this week too. It will be posted here in the forums for suggestions on improving clarity (if needed) and methods (let's hope not). I am thinking that this could be useful for others getting into cooler testing for other websites.

bigben2k · 05-22-2004, 01:21 PM

Looking forward to it, thank you!

pHaestus · 05-23-2004, 10:57 AM

Preliminary numbers on the MCW6000; final results (w/ all the required reps) could shift up or down by 0.3C or so.

Bill's "2C" improvement seems pretty close to dead on. Block performs a bit better than I expected on my testbed in fact. Getting performance this good is a bit of a pita; the holddown has a lot of play and you have to get the block oriented "just right" as you are tightening it or temps are 1-1.5 degrees worse.

This is the new layout for graphs on the site btw (well almost). I'm going to play around in Origin today and see if I can't set up a simple template for dual Y axis graphs and put L/m on top as well

freeloadingbum · 05-23-2004, 11:16 AM

The graph looks great but I think you forgot to include Jaydee's block. I expect Swiftech is going to be hit with a massive surge of orders with this graph. The results looks extremely impressive.

trit187 · 05-23-2004, 11:22 AM

might have missed this somewhere else, but hows the restrictivness?

pHaestus · 05-23-2004, 01:13 PM

The first couple of times I mounted the MCW6000 the results were about 2C worse than shown above. The mounting is really not ideal for SocketA; once you get a consistent method though the wb performs great.

jaydee · 05-23-2004, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by freeloadingbum

The graph looks great but I think you forgot to include Jaydee's block.

Waiting patiently.

Wow the MCW6000 is a good block eh?

pHaestus · 05-23-2004, 07:24 PM

I could test another wb tonight and tomorrow but I decided to start formatting Pro/Geeks stuff and get these reviews all ready to go instead. This graph's REALLY getting busy now (what to do about it?)

"Lumpy channel" actually isn't bad at all...performs better or equal to Danger Den TDX w/ #1 nozzle. Far better below 1gpm in fact.

JayDee I need you to e-mail me some .nfo on block design and construction (a paragraph or two is fine). PS make a TEC version for socketA pls

jaydee · 05-23-2004, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pHaestus

"Lumpy channel" actually isn't bad at all...performs better or equal to Danger Den TDX w/ #1 nozzle. Far better below 1gpm in fact.

Hehehe.

This suprizes me a little being there is no center inlet and a MUCH simpler design. I am VERY happy it performs that well at 1GPM and lower.

Quote:

JayDee I need you to e-mail me some .nfo on block design and construction (a paragraph or two is fine). PS make a TEC version for socketA pls

I will write something up here tonight. The TEC version is on the drawing board.

pHaestus · 05-23-2004, 08:02 PM

crap it's still missing #rotor's block.... Oh well I'll revise it again when I have a few minutes

nicozeg · 05-23-2004, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pHaestus

This graph's REALLY getting busy now (what to do about it?)

Connect the dots with fine color lines. Its going to be a lot easier to read.

deathBOB · 05-23-2004, 11:03 PM

can u expand your graph? its a bit crowded...

bigben2k · 05-23-2004, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pHaestus

I could test another wb tonight and tomorrow but I decided to start formatting Pro/Geeks stuff and get these reviews all ready to go instead. This graph's REALLY getting busy now (what to do about it?)

...

"Lumpy channel" actually isn't bad at all...performs better or equal to Danger Den TDX w/ #1 nozzle. Far better below 1gpm in fact.

JayDee I need you to e-mail me some .nfo on block design and construction (a paragraph or two is fine). PS make a TEC version for socketA pls

Dang JD, you matched DD's new TDX block, by pHaestus account

Got anything else in the works?

jaydee · 05-23-2004, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigben2k

Dang JD, you matched DD's new TDX block, by pHaestus account

Got anything else in the works?

Lots of stuff. Just not much time. My current projext is "Project X" in the water block design and construction forum. Pondering buying a large CNC mill.

9mmCensor · 05-23-2004, 11:44 PM

Whats up with the mark for JayDee's block between 2 and 2.25 GPM, it looks lonely.

Ok thanks, I undrestand now.

trit187 · 05-23-2004, 11:52 PM

i believe that's the maximum flow rate achievable using the equipment. just like the cascade stops at 2gpm.

pHaestus · 05-24-2004, 01:30 AM

that's correct, trit187

zoson · 05-24-2004, 04:53 AM

pH, now that you have results for the TDX's different nozzles, and seeing as both the #4 and 5 improved the TDX's performance, don't you think it's time to test the RBX with these nozzles?
I think it's only fair that you show everyone the best results achieved with each block...

AngryAlpaca · 05-24-2004, 10:03 AM

I could be wrong, but I think the RBX has gone the way of the Model T (wow... I'm horrible at analogies.) It's harder to use than the TDX, harder to mount, worse, and the same price. There's no point in reviewing outdated stuff, except for a laugh, maybe, but the RBX isn't outdated enough for that.

pHaestus · 05-24-2004, 10:31 AM

i do not recommend the rbx, so i see no reason to retest it

jaydee · 05-26-2004, 10:12 PM

If you could pH, how about making a DIY only graph aswell. I got the block to beat! How about some competition?

jaydee · 05-30-2004, 11:58 AM

Did you get my e-mail pH?

Myth · 05-30-2004, 01:00 PM

I know i probably just fail to read delta-t right, but how big a difference would you assume there is in temp using eg. Maze4 and TDX?

05-22-2004, 01:21 PM	#3
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05-23-2004, 11:44 PM	#16
9mmCensor Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 219	Whats up with the mark for JayDee's block between 2 and 2.25 GPM, it looks lonely. Ok thanks, I undrestand now. Last edited by 9mmCensor; 05-24-2004 at 10:19 AM.

05-24-2004, 04:53 AM	#19
zoson Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: X Posts: 204	pH, now that you have results for the TDX's different nozzles, and seeing as both the #4 and 5 improved the TDX's performance, don't you think it's time to test the RBX with these nozzles? I think it's only fair that you show everyone the best results achieved with each block... __________________ Core i7 930 @ 4254Hz 22x193 \| ASUS R3E 901 BIOS \| 12GB Mushkin Blackline 3x4GB @ 1547MHz 7-8-7-24-1N \| Lian Li PC-A10B 2x EVGA GTX275 SLI @ 720/1266/1566 \| 2x 80GB Intel X25-M G2 SSD Raid 0 \| 3x 1TB Samsung Spinpoint 7.2K Raid 5 \| Corsair 950TX H2O \| Enzotech Sapphire Rev.A \| EK-FB RE3 \| Swiftech - 2x MCW60/GTX275 Unisink, MCP655b, MCRes Micro.v2 \| 3x HWLabs SR1-120 あなたの神への弓 Time isn't wasted, when you're gettin' wasted.

05-22-2004, 12:22 PM	#1
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	A real worklog update Test equipment is starting to trickle in now; I had most of it shipped to Madison WI and will get it once it's been calibrated and set up to suit my purposes. I finished testing JayDee's "lumpy channel" wb last night and will post a graph here in a bit. Summary? Nice block; HORRIBLE name. I'm running the MCW6000-A now and will try to get reviews of both these blocks done by next week. I am getting a little burned out on constant wb testing guys and so I am most likely going to take a little hiatus from that for the next few weeks. Instead I have a couple of Pro/Geeks articles I need to post, a water chiller to set up, and gasp I'd like to actually finish my main rig's cooling and get it set up. So things may slow down here for a while (I'm travelling much of June too) but don't be concerned.

05-22-2004, 12:41 PM	#2
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	hmm I forgot to post one other thing of importance I am setting up a web page that fully describes my test equipment and methods. Hopefully I'll have it up this week too. It will be posted here in the forums for suggestions on improving clarity (if needed) and methods (let's hope not). I am thinking that this could be useful for others getting into cooler testing for other websites.

05-23-2004, 10:57 AM	#4
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Preliminary numbers on the MCW6000; final results (w/ all the required reps) could shift up or down by 0.3C or so. Bill's "2C" improvement seems pretty close to dead on. Block performs a bit better than I expected on my testbed in fact. Getting performance this good is a bit of a pita; the holddown has a lot of play and you have to get the block oriented "just right" as you are tightening it or temps are 1-1.5 degrees worse. This is the new layout for graphs on the site btw (well almost). I'm going to play around in Origin today and see if I can't set up a simple template for dual Y axis graphs and put L/m on top as well

05-23-2004, 11:16 AM	#5
freeloadingbum Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: winnipeg Posts: 129	The graph looks great but I think you forgot to include Jaydee's block. I expect Swiftech is going to be hit with a massive surge of orders with this graph. The results looks extremely impressive.

05-23-2004, 11:22 AM	#6
trit187 Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: shanghai, china Posts: 200	might have missed this somewhere else, but hows the restrictivness?

05-23-2004, 01:13 PM	#7
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	The first couple of times I mounted the MCW6000 the results were about 2C worse than shown above. The mounting is really not ideal for SocketA; once you get a consistent method though the wb performs great.

05-23-2004, 07:24 PM	#9
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	I could test another wb tonight and tomorrow but I decided to start formatting Pro/Geeks stuff and get these reviews all ready to go instead. This graph's REALLY getting busy now (what to do about it?) "Lumpy channel" actually isn't bad at all...performs better or equal to Danger Den TDX w/ #1 nozzle. Far better below 1gpm in fact. JayDee I need you to e-mail me some .nfo on block design and construction (a paragraph or two is fine). PS make a TEC version for socketA pls

05-23-2004, 08:02 PM	#11
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	crap it's still missing #rotor's block.... Oh well I'll revise it again when I have a few minutes

05-23-2004, 11:03 PM	#13
deathBOB Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 60	can u expand your graph? its a bit crowded...

05-23-2004, 11:52 PM	#17
trit187 Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: shanghai, china Posts: 200	i believe that's the maximum flow rate achievable using the equipment. just like the cascade stops at 2gpm.

05-24-2004, 01:30 AM	#18
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	that's correct, trit187

05-24-2004, 10:03 AM	#20
AngryAlpaca Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Alberta Posts: 631	I could be wrong, but I think the RBX has gone the way of the Model T (wow... I'm horrible at analogies.) It's harder to use than the TDX, harder to mount, worse, and the same price. There's no point in reviewing outdated stuff, except for a laugh, maybe, but the RBX isn't outdated enough for that.

05-24-2004, 10:31 AM	#21
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	i do not recommend the rbx, so i see no reason to retest it

05-26-2004, 10:12 PM	#22
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	If you could pH, how about making a DIY only graph aswell. I got the block to beat! How about some competition?

05-30-2004, 11:58 AM	#23
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Did you get my e-mail pH?

05-30-2004, 01:00 PM	#24
Myth Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Denmark Posts: 69	I know i probably just fail to read delta-t right, but how big a difference would you assume there is in temp using eg. Maze4 and TDX?

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