DD GPU MAZE has mounting problems.

mrcandy224 · 01-03-2002, 07:14 PM

When mounting the block I found that the lug nuts on the back side of the card on one of the holes does not become flush with the card since there is a resistor in the way. I find it ironic that a block that is specifically designed for GeForce3s can't be mounted on a GeForce3 that is the same as the reference design. Here's a pic of what I'm talking about.

(Courtesy X-bit Labs)

I've already emailed them about the problem but I wanted to get it out to the public before people buy more of them.

Joe · 01-03-2002, 08:01 PM

Hmm thats interesting.

<sarcasim> just cut that lil SMT cap off, you didnt need it anyway, its just a spare </sarcasim> hehehe

BrianW · 01-03-2002, 08:22 PM

Ya i just received mine last week. I noticed the same thing. I went down to Ace and bought some rubber washers. Problem fixed.

Triton · 01-03-2002, 08:37 PM

Anyone have any problems mounting to a Geforce 2??? I just ordered one of those coolers. Thanks.

Brad · 01-03-2002, 08:47 PM

I'd imagine there wouldn't be a problem with anything other than the gf3 referance design, cause there probably wouldn't be a resistor there in the gf2 models.

as far as the washer goes, you should try that adam

mrcandy224 · 01-04-2002, 03:35 AM

Who the hell is adam? My name ain't adam!! Get it right! thx for the idea though.. How did the rubber washers improve it?

Brad · 01-04-2002, 04:05 AM

how come all of your emails were from adam then? :P

mrcandy224 · 01-04-2002, 12:46 PM

Uhhh... I have NEVER put down adam in my life.. I'm Aaron.. show me the place where it says Adam.

Butcher · 01-04-2002, 12:59 PM

Brad has been on the crack again it seems, tsk

mrcandy224 · 01-04-2002, 07:17 PM

Teeheee! Good one :P

Brad · 01-05-2002, 06:56 AM

now thats complete bs

anyway, has dden replied?

mrcandy224 · 01-05-2002, 12:22 PM

Yah they have.. completely forgot heres what they told me.

Hi Aaron,

We did test our blocks on many different brands, but VisionTek was not one of them.

I want to make sure I understand the problem correctly. The way I understand it is, the VisionTek card does have the mounting holes in the correct location, but there is a resistor next to one of the holes and that makes one of the mounting bolts lean sideways. Is that correct?????

Dennis

dennis@dangerden.com

Thats all he gave me.. and sorry I didn't reply sooner.. was on a small vacation with the family

mrcandy224 · 01-05-2002, 12:23 PM

btw.. someone told me on [H]ard|Forum if you use the metal plated screw holes it works fine.. but its just a little tilted. This person had a LeadTek card.. Gainward is the one they had at DD I think.

BrianW · 01-05-2002, 01:58 PM

Well my card is a cardexpert geforce3 goldensample from gainward and it had the resistor in the same spot.

beav · 01-05-2002, 06:16 PM

yeah, i just checked my asus board...it has the resistor too

mrcandy224 · 01-05-2002, 09:03 PM

Alright heres what I've gathered so far w/ ones with problems:

VisionTek
LeadTek
Gainward
ASUS

I have no idea which companies THEY were testing then.. We will soon find out. But follow my instructions (metal plated screws.. talked about it above) if you want it to work. should be fine.

mashie · 01-05-2002, 10:35 PM

Add ELSA to the list...

Here is my solution:

mrcandy224 · 01-05-2002, 10:39 PM

Mash you already posted over at the [H]

Read my post over there again.. How did you "mod" the washers.

mashie · 01-05-2002, 10:51 PM

Well, not everyone here reads over at [H]

I used a cutter to remove enough material on the nylon washer so it could fit between the bolt and the resistor. Then I just added a metal washer on top of it so the nut got a good mating surface.

boycee · 01-06-2002, 08:08 AM

why dont you just move the resistor ?
As in desolder it, then add extension wire between the card and the resistor ?.

mrcandy224 · 01-06-2002, 11:43 AM

Ok. first off I'm not the greatest "solderer", 2nd off even if I did get my professional friend, that would be putting $230 or more of pressure on his head. He wouldn't do something like that, plus I wouldn't want him to at the moment.. I think mashie's idea is better.

btw mashie: I think I have your exact setup except with the 2x sized heatercore.. I looked on your site.. I am still confused on how that radiator works.. I might do the same if needed with 2x 120MM 130 CFM deltas. One other thing, I've got that GPU maze.. and the Northbridge maze.. should I run my DDMAZE2 lines to my GPU and my northbridge like you did? Or should I use the separate radiator and pump I had set aside for just northbridge and GPU? Its a semi crap radiator (with a 120 MM delta so I think that cancels em out) so I'm not sure which would be best..

Brad · 01-06-2002, 08:39 PM

yeah mashies solution is the best.

mrcandy, I'd just do that, don't worry about removing the resistor and that sort of crap.

mashie · 01-06-2002, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by mrcandy224
btw mashie: I think I have your exact setup except with the 2x sized heatercore.. I looked on your site.. I am still confused on how that radiator works.. I might do the same if needed with 2x 120MM 130 CFM deltas. One other thing, I've got that GPU maze.. and the Northbridge maze.. should I run my DDMAZE2 lines to my GPU and my northbridge like you did? Or should I use the separate radiator and pump I had set aside for just northbridge and GPU? Its a semi crap radiator (with a 120 MM delta so I think that cancels em out) so I'm not sure which would be best..

The fan in the front suck air through the radiator so the air goes from the floor, via radiator and fan and out through the front (the pics on my site doesn't show the cut I've done in the front beezel).

I can't see any advantage of using two loops.

mrcandy224 · 01-07-2002, 09:06 AM

Won't the water going through the loop that goes through everything be hotter if it gets to the CPU first or either way.. it wouldn't matter. I think I could just do 1 loop with it going like this..
____________________________________________VGA->#1res->Pump
Pump->Big Radiator->CPU->Small Radiator->Splitter<
____________________________________________Nbridg e->#1res->Pump

mashie · 01-07-2002, 12:01 PM

Well, if you consider that the water in a system with an Eheim 1048 (600l/h) and 1/2" moves at up to 1.35m/s I doubt that each component will be able to heat it much...

My loop is rad --> pump --> CPU --> GPU --> NB --> rad

01-03-2002, 08:01 PM	#2
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Hmm thats interesting. <sarcasim> just cut that lil SMT cap off, you didnt need it anyway, its just a spare </sarcasim> hehehe __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

01-04-2002, 03:35 AM	#6
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Who the hell is adam? My name ain't adam!! Get it right! thx for the idea though.. How did the rubber washers improve it? __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-04-2002, 12:46 PM	#8
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Uhhh... I have NEVER put down adam in my life.. I'm Aaron.. show me the place where it says Adam. __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-04-2002, 12:59 PM	#9
Butcher Thermophile Join Date: May 2001 Location: UK Posts: 1,064	Brad has been on the crack again it seems, tsk __________________ Once upon a time, in a land far far away...

01-04-2002, 07:17 PM	#10
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Teeheee! Good one :P __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-03-2002, 07:14 PM	#1
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	DD GPU MAZE has mounting problems. When mounting the block I found that the lug nuts on the back side of the card on one of the holes does not become flush with the card since there is a resistor in the way. I find it ironic that a block that is specifically designed for GeForce3s can't be mounted on a GeForce3 that is the same as the reference design. Here's a pic of what I'm talking about. (Courtesy X-bit Labs) I've already emailed them about the problem but I wanted to get it out to the public before people buy more of them. __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-03-2002, 08:22 PM	#3
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	Ya i just received mine last week. I noticed the same thing. I went down to Ace and bought some rubber washers. Problem fixed.

01-03-2002, 08:37 PM	#4
Triton Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Union City, CA Posts: 78	Anyone have any problems mounting to a Geforce 2??? I just ordered one of those coolers. Thanks.

01-03-2002, 08:47 PM	#5
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I'd imagine there wouldn't be a problem with anything other than the gf3 referance design, cause there probably wouldn't be a resistor there in the gf2 models. as far as the washer goes, you should try that adam

01-04-2002, 04:05 AM	#7
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	how come all of your emails were from adam then? :P

01-05-2002, 06:56 AM	#11
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	now thats complete bs anyway, has dden replied?

01-05-2002, 12:22 PM	#12
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Yah they have.. completely forgot heres what they told me. Hi Aaron, We did test our blocks on many different brands, but VisionTek was not one of them. I want to make sure I understand the problem correctly. The way I understand it is, the VisionTek card does have the mounting holes in the correct location, but there is a resistor next to one of the holes and that makes one of the mounting bolts lean sideways. Is that correct????? Dennis dennis@dangerden.com Thats all he gave me.. and sorry I didn't reply sooner.. was on a small vacation with the family __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-05-2002, 12:23 PM	#13
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	btw.. someone told me on [H]ard\|Forum if you use the metal plated screw holes it works fine.. but its just a little tilted. This person had a LeadTek card.. Gainward is the one they had at DD I think. __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-05-2002, 01:58 PM	#14
BrianW Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Desert City in California Posts: 631	Well my card is a cardexpert geforce3 goldensample from gainward and it had the resistor in the same spot.

01-05-2002, 06:16 PM	#15
beav Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Danville Posts: 96	yeah, i just checked my asus board...it has the resistor too __________________ What a chump.

01-05-2002, 09:03 PM	#16
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Alright heres what I've gathered so far w/ ones with problems: VisionTek LeadTek Gainward ASUS I have no idea which companies THEY were testing then.. We will soon find out. But follow my instructions (metal plated screws.. talked about it above) if you want it to work. should be fine. __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-05-2002, 10:35 PM	#17
mashie Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 149	Add ELSA to the list... Here is my solution: __________________ mashie

01-05-2002, 10:39 PM	#18
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Mash you already posted over at the [H] Read my post over there again.. How did you "mod" the washers. __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-05-2002, 10:51 PM	#19
mashie Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 149	Well, not everyone here reads over at [H] I used a cutter to remove enough material on the nylon washer so it could fit between the bolt and the resistor. Then I just added a metal washer on top of it so the nut got a good mating surface. __________________ mashie

01-06-2002, 08:08 AM	#20
boycee Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 13	why dont you just move the resistor ? As in desolder it, then add extension wire between the card and the resistor ?. __________________ BOYCEE 1.4 Athlon Abit KT7A-RAID 512 SD-RAM PC-133 64MB 3D Prophet MX 30GB Seagate 7200 100 60GB IBM Deskstar 7200 100 10GB unknown 5400 66 10GB Western digital 7200 100 Win XP, Win 2K, Win 98

01-06-2002, 11:43 AM	#21
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Ok. first off I'm not the greatest "solderer", 2nd off even if I did get my professional friend, that would be putting $230 or more of pressure on his head. He wouldn't do something like that, plus I wouldn't want him to at the moment.. I think mashie's idea is better. btw mashie: I think I have your exact setup except with the 2x sized heatercore.. I looked on your site.. I am still confused on how that radiator works.. I might do the same if needed with 2x 120MM 130 CFM deltas. One other thing, I've got that GPU maze.. and the Northbridge maze.. should I run my DDMAZE2 lines to my GPU and my northbridge like you did? Or should I use the separate radiator and pump I had set aside for just northbridge and GPU? Its a semi crap radiator (with a 120 MM delta so I think that cancels em out) so I'm not sure which would be best.. __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-06-2002, 08:39 PM	#22
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	yeah mashies solution is the best. mrcandy, I'd just do that, don't worry about removing the resistor and that sort of crap.

01-07-2002, 09:06 AM	#24
mrcandy224 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Solana Beach, CA, USA Posts: 50	Won't the water going through the loop that goes through everything be hotter if it gets to the CPU first or either way.. it wouldn't matter. I think I could just do 1 loop with it going like this.. ____________________________________________VGA->#1res->Pump Pump->Big Radiator->CPU->Small Radiator->Splitter< ____________________________________________Nbridg e->#1res->Pump __________________ EpoX 8k7a is the BEST. 512 MB DDR VisionTek GeForce3 1.33 @ 1.56 Ghz

01-07-2002, 12:01 PM	#25
mashie Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Reading, UK Posts: 149	Well, if you consider that the water in a system with an Eheim 1048 (600l/h) and 1/2" moves at up to 1.35m/s I doubt that each component will be able to heat it much... My loop is rad --> pump --> CPU --> GPU --> NB --> rad __________________ mashie

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