A 3rd type of tubing - looks very good but $

EMC2 · 03-22-2002, 10:20 PM

Ran across this thread tonight. Read the chemist's recommendations and follow the links

superart · 03-22-2002, 10:39 PM

would those metal braided tubes(the kind under your sink) work, if you could get them connected without leaking? im asking since it would look cool with an aluminum case, and im thinking of doing it for my new system.

Haddy · 03-22-2002, 11:01 PM

looks like some good tubing there......superart the only problem with that stuff is it frays if u dont have somekinda cap at the end...would be interesting though

Marco · 03-23-2002, 06:27 AM

Hmm I'd like some of that tubing. It is definitely on the pricey side but the properties sound pretty good.

DigitalChaos · 03-23-2002, 10:37 AM

the tygon looks exactly like vinyl... i wonder if its elastic memory is like silicone or like vinyl... if its anything like vinyl then whats the point?

anyone know what the Shore A durometer is for the standard vinyl tubing everyone is using? the silicone we use has a shore A of 50, the tygon is 55. so the tygon is pretty soft, i THINK. i want to know the durometer of vinyl for comparison.

EMC2 · 03-23-2002, 02:10 PM

Actually there are some versions of it that aren't too pricy - go to http://www.usplastic.com, click on the "More Tygon Tubing" link and look at the prices for the various "Beverage, Food, and Dairy" tubing. However, the down side is that it isn't anywhere near as flexible as that made for the "Peristaltic Pump" application (instead of a Shore A of 40, the beverage has a Shore A of 65, still better than vinyl, but not as good as some of the silicone).

DG - here is a page with Vinyl tubing, shows a Shore A rating of 80. So from that regard some of the Tygon is much, much closer to silicone than vinyl. Just be careful that you look at the Shore rating of the actual tubing you use, as there are different grades of tubing. Also, the softer stuff doesn't hold up to as much pressure for a given wall thickness.

superart · 03-23-2002, 02:16 PM

i think thats a broken link, emc2.

EMC2 · 03-23-2002, 02:18 PM

I noticed - me fixed

Arrrrrrrrrgggg... ok, you have to type the URL into your browser to work... just type in the www.usplastic.com

*sigh*

3rd edition... if I don't put the url /url around the url it seems to work *shrug*

DigitalChaos · 03-23-2002, 04:40 PM

hrmmm... it is starting to sound basically like clear silicone in respect to its looks and workability.

gonna have to get some!

DigitalChaos · 03-23-2002, 05:46 PM

well i just ordered 20 feet of 3/8" tubing with 1/16" wall, shore A of 55 , tygon-3603 tubing!

let ya know what its like when i get it

EMC2 · 03-23-2002, 05:59 PM

1/16" wall ?!? Hmmmmm...will be looking forward to your results.

Cyco-Dude · 03-23-2002, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DigitalChaos
well i just ordered 20 feet of 3/8" tubing with 1/16" wall, shore A of 55 , tygon-3603 tubing!

let ya know what its like when i get it

man, that will kink so easy! hope you dont have any tight turns...

Haddy · 03-23-2002, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by EMC2
DG - here is a page with Vinyl tubing, shows a Shore A rating of 80. So from that regard some of the Tygon is much, much closer to silicone than vinyl. Just be careful that you look at the Shore rating of the actual tubing you use, as there are different grades of tubing. Also, the softer stuff doesn't hold up to as much pressure for a given wall thickness.

read this cyco, this stuff is pretty close to silicon tubing

mkosem · 03-23-2002, 09:28 PM

I used tygon on my first system, it worked well and stayed clear

--Matt

DigitalChaos · 03-23-2002, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Cyco-Dude

man, that will kink so easy! hope you dont have any tight turns...

im gonna be doing my tubing mashie style! (every bend is with a copper elbow, and every run of tubing is perfectly straight) but i will let you know about how it bends n stuff.

reason i got the thin wall is because it was all i could find in short lengths.

superart · 03-23-2002, 10:09 PM

chaos, so your gunna cut the tube, attache it to a copper elbo, then reatach a tube? Wouldnt that make it verry prone to leaks? If you insist on useing copper elbows, hy not just screw the tubes and use the copper pipes instead, it would look pretty cool, and be less leak prone than attaching tubes to copper elbows.

DigitalChaos · 03-23-2002, 10:28 PM

nahh... ill just use mini zip ties if im worried about leaks... whats all this talk about leaks? it seems to hardly ever happen unless you are using crappy tube, or you just dont think. hell if been running vinyl for almost a year with NO zipties or clamps. havent had a leak yet!!

you should check out mashie's setup, he is like the plumbing pimp

Techguy · 03-23-2002, 10:30 PM

Guys... it's not price at all!
1/2ID 5/8 OD is
$18.67 for 10 FEET!!!
http://www.vwrsp.com/catalog/product...ect_id=0013719

that's $1.87 a foot!

Class VI Medical Grade Silicone Rubber Tubing is
$5.52 a foot at Mcmaster.com

that's the clear stuff.

the regular is $1.22 for the off white, and $1.33 for the red

it's about the same cost, and this stuff seems like it will be better.

Besides, I've heard reports that Silicon tubing tends to absorb Water Wetter, which I could se becoming a problem (unvarified tho)

DigitalChaos · 03-23-2002, 10:36 PM

well you are pricing thin tubing to thick tubing.

the cost of 1/16" wall tubing is $1-1.5 a foot
but 1/8" wall tubing is almost $3 per foot if you buy 50 feet.

sooo.... 1/8" wall silicone is about the same price as 1/16" tygon.

Techguy · 03-23-2002, 10:44 PM

all the prices I listed were for the same thickness if it was an option.

1/2 ID 5/8 OD

DigitalChaos · 03-23-2002, 10:47 PM

hrm... oh yea =)

well the 1/16" wall version is good then
but the 1/8" wall versions are not as good in price comparison

Techguy · 03-23-2002, 10:52 PM

ya. but I cant buy a 50 foot segment any how.

another site sells 1/2 ID 3/32 thickness for
$3.15 foot.

I'll take the 1/16 :->

redleader · 03-23-2002, 11:20 PM

Quote:

Besides, I've heard reports that Silicon tubing tends to absorb Water Wetter

It does, however after almost 8 months my tubing was mechanically fine, even if it did turn red.

Cyco-Dude · 03-23-2002, 11:59 PM

well, how do you know it was 'absorbing' the water wetter? perhaps the coloring of the water wetter just stained the silicone tubing...

Pyrotechnic · 03-24-2002, 01:39 AM

the vinyl tubing i got absorbed some antifreeze or something and turned a greenish-brown color.

03-22-2002, 10:20 PM	#1
EMC2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 365	A 3rd type of tubing - looks very good but $ Ran across this thread tonight. Read the chemist's recommendations and follow the links

03-22-2002, 10:39 PM	#2
superart Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: FL Posts: 787	would those metal braided tubes(the kind under your sink) work, if you could get them connected without leaking? im asking since it would look cool with an aluminum case, and im thinking of doing it for my new system. __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure youv'e done anything at all. Looking to buy/trade for used Deep Fryer and Vacume Pack Sealer.

03-23-2002, 10:37 AM	#5
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	the tygon looks exactly like vinyl... i wonder if its elastic memory is like silicone or like vinyl... if its anything like vinyl then whats the point? anyone know what the Shore A durometer is for the standard vinyl tubing everyone is using? the silicone we use has a shore A of 50, the tygon is 55. so the tygon is pretty soft, i THINK. i want to know the durometer of vinyl for comparison. Last edited by DigitalChaos; 03-23-2002 at 10:46 AM.

03-23-2002, 02:10 PM	#6
EMC2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 365	Actually there are some versions of it that aren't too pricy - go to http://www.usplastic.com, click on the "More Tygon Tubing" link and look at the prices for the various "Beverage, Food, and Dairy" tubing. However, the down side is that it isn't anywhere near as flexible as that made for the "Peristaltic Pump" application (instead of a Shore A of 40, the beverage has a Shore A of 65, still better than vinyl, but not as good as some of the silicone). DG - here is a page with Vinyl tubing, shows a Shore A rating of 80. So from that regard some of the Tygon is much, much closer to silicone than vinyl. Just be careful that you look at the Shore rating of the actual tubing you use, as there are different grades of tubing. Also, the softer stuff doesn't hold up to as much pressure for a given wall thickness. Last edited by EMC2; 03-23-2002 at 02:30 PM.

03-23-2002, 02:16 PM	#7
superart Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: FL Posts: 787	i think thats a broken link, emc2. __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure youv'e done anything at all. Looking to buy/trade for used Deep Fryer and Vacume Pack Sealer.

03-22-2002, 11:01 PM	#3
Haddy Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 434	looks like some good tubing there......superart the only problem with that stuff is it frays if u dont have somekinda cap at the end...would be interesting though

03-23-2002, 06:27 AM	#4
Marco Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 79	Hmm I'd like some of that tubing. It is definitely on the pricey side but the properties sound pretty good.

03-23-2002, 02:18 PM	#8
EMC2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 365	I noticed - me fixed Arrrrrrrrrgggg... ok, you have to type the URL into your browser to work... just type in the www.usplastic.com sigh 3rd edition... if I don't put the url /url around the url it seems to work shrug Last edited by EMC2; 03-23-2002 at 02:34 PM.

03-23-2002, 04:40 PM	#9
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	hrmmm... it is starting to sound basically like clear silicone in respect to its looks and workability. gonna have to get some!

03-23-2002, 05:46 PM	#10
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	well i just ordered 20 feet of 3/8" tubing with 1/16" wall, shore A of 55 , tygon-3603 tubing! let ya know what its like when i get it

03-23-2002, 05:59 PM	#11
EMC2 Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dark Side of the Moon Posts: 365	1/16" wall ?!? Hmmmmm...will be looking forward to your results.

03-23-2002, 09:28 PM	#14
mkosem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: here Posts: 494	I used tygon on my first system, it worked well and stayed clear --Matt __________________ If you can't cool it, blow it up!! http://www.mattkosem.com

03-23-2002, 10:09 PM	#16
superart Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: FL Posts: 787	chaos, so your gunna cut the tube, attache it to a copper elbo, then reatach a tube? Wouldnt that make it verry prone to leaks? If you insist on useing copper elbows, hy not just screw the tubes and use the copper pipes instead, it would look pretty cool, and be less leak prone than attaching tubes to copper elbows. __________________ When you do things right, people won't be sure youv'e done anything at all. Looking to buy/trade for used Deep Fryer and Vacume Pack Sealer. Last edited by superart; 03-23-2002 at 10:14 PM.

03-23-2002, 10:28 PM	#17
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	nahh... ill just use mini zip ties if im worried about leaks... whats all this talk about leaks? it seems to hardly ever happen unless you are using crappy tube, or you just dont think. hell if been running vinyl for almost a year with NO zipties or clamps. havent had a leak yet!! you should check out mashie's setup, he is like the plumbing pimp

03-23-2002, 10:30 PM	#18
Techguy Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 130	Guys... it's not price at all! 1/2ID 5/8 OD is $18.67 for 10 FEET!!! http://www.vwrsp.com/catalog/product...ect_id=0013719 that's $1.87 a foot! Class VI Medical Grade Silicone Rubber Tubing is $5.52 a foot at Mcmaster.com that's the clear stuff. the regular is $1.22 for the off white, and $1.33 for the red it's about the same cost, and this stuff seems like it will be better. Besides, I've heard reports that Silicon tubing tends to absorb Water Wetter, which I could se becoming a problem (unvarified tho) __________________ My only PC is a PII 333 with 256MB RAM a GeForce2 MX 200, and 30GB's of 7,200rpm ATA/66 goodness. And yes, I know it sucks.

03-23-2002, 10:36 PM	#19
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	well you are pricing thin tubing to thick tubing. the cost of 1/16" wall tubing is $1-1.5 a foot but 1/8" wall tubing is almost $3 per foot if you buy 50 feet. sooo.... 1/8" wall silicone is about the same price as 1/16" tygon.

03-23-2002, 10:44 PM	#20
Techguy Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 130	all the prices I listed were for the same thickness if it was an option. 1/2 ID 5/8 OD __________________ My only PC is a PII 333 with 256MB RAM a GeForce2 MX 200, and 30GB's of 7,200rpm ATA/66 goodness. And yes, I know it sucks.

03-23-2002, 10:47 PM	#21
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	hrm... oh yea =) well the 1/16" wall version is good then but the 1/8" wall versions are not as good in price comparison

03-23-2002, 10:52 PM	#22
Techguy Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 130	ya. but I cant buy a 50 foot segment any how. another site sells 1/2 ID 3/32 thickness for $3.15 foot. I'll take the 1/16 :-> __________________ My only PC is a PII 333 with 256MB RAM a GeForce2 MX 200, and 30GB's of 7,200rpm ATA/66 goodness. And yes, I know it sucks.

03-23-2002, 11:59 PM	#24
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	well, how do you know it was 'absorbing' the water wetter? perhaps the coloring of the water wetter just stained the silicone tubing...

03-24-2002, 01:39 AM	#25
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	the vinyl tubing i got absorbed some antifreeze or something and turned a greenish-brown color.

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