Cheap and effective res?

airspirit · 07-11-2002, 12:58 PM

Here is my idea for a res. I'd use a elbow/1/2" T-fitting on the bottom, 3/4->1/2->3/4" fitting in the middle, 1.5-> 3/4" fittings at funnel looking areas, and 1.5" tube as "collection pools," the top being capped and available to vent air or top off system. Any thoughts?

(btw: this would all be made of pvc/nylon and externally sealed with silicone to prevent galvanic corrosion)

airspirit · 07-11-2002, 01:11 PM

I guess it goes without saying that this would use an inline pump and would serve as nothing more than an efficient way to top off your system or trap air. That is why I went for the wide bottom and funnel design. It should disrupt the air bubble's path enough to cause it to keep going up rather than get sucked into the outlet (at least that is the theory).

gmat · 07-11-2002, 01:15 PM

Why not simply reverse the flow ? (ie inlet on the side and outlet at bottom) ?

airspirit · 07-11-2002, 01:50 PM

That would work too. I dunno, I'm just thinking of putting a trap on my unit, and I don't want to spend more than $5-10 on it. I'm too broke after the project.

gmat · 07-11-2002, 01:58 PM

Well that will work, provided you put the inlet *higher* than the outlet (in your case, on the side) so you won't recirculate bubbles...
BTW I've built my aitrap with:
1 elbow (at bottom)
1 straight plug (on the side)
1 40mm pvc pipe (length: 50mm)
2 pvc end caps (the bottom one has a hole through which i put the elbow)
total cost: less than $5 (not counting PVC glue which i had for other reasons).

bigben2k · 07-11-2002, 02:07 PM

I wouldn't bother with the cones. You can use a Pepsi bottle for a res.

airspirit · 07-11-2002, 02:19 PM

I've thought of that, but Pepsi bottles are flimsy and that freaks me out. I am thinking of parts I can drop kick ... heh. I don't want it to get accidentally punctured on something, and I'm thinking of possibly doing a mount on the side of the case .... I dunno. I've just noticed a few tiny bubbles in my system that must have shook loose from something, and since I'm shrinking my hose lengths tonight to better fit the case, I figured now would be a good time to install something.

airspirit · 07-11-2002, 02:21 PM

Oh, and might I add that I'm trying to piece something together that I won't have to cut into. I'm looking for professional fittings (I know, fat chance). I'm really sloppy with that sort of thing ... impatient.

bigben2k · 07-11-2002, 02:34 PM

Pepsi bottles are surprisingly resilient... They're made specifically to handle a lot of internal pressure.

gmat's got it going on!

It sounds to me like you want to build it, but that you don't want to work at it, at least not very long or hard. That's why I'm suggesting the Pepsi bottle. Otherwise, people here have made res from a "marine junction box" aka a sealed electrical box. It's square and easy to work with.

V12|V12 · 07-11-2002, 03:15 PM

Hrmm... I'd have to disagree... The simplest way is letting gravity do all the work!

Your inlet should be at the highest point and outlet the lowest. That way air has 10x more of a chance of escaping the water flow. It starts at the top and most likely will end up there, rather than starting at the bottom and then, and it will, get sucked back into the outlet if you do it that way. I tried something like that and switched to a large 1" inline PVC-"T" That works pretty well, but I'm going to make a res from a mini NyQuil bottle or just cut some plexi and make a thin rectangle... I know one thing is that you shouldn't even attempt to use PE (polyethylene) plastic bottles, most epoxies don't bond to well to them. Aka the same waxy like plastic milk jugs are made from.

I swear by this plastic welder/epoxy mix: Devcon III fusion. It's part welder/high tensile epoxy! 35oo PSI max, 3-4 working time, 15min set...FULL strength in ONE HR!!!

good luck

chazz469 · 07-11-2002, 03:25 PM

Works like a charm.

airspirit · 07-11-2002, 03:26 PM

Here is what I did. The inlet is top, the outlet (feeding to the pump for easier system priming) is on the bottom. The top is capped by a PVC plug that tightens by a little lever and is sealed with a thick rubber gasket. No leakage there.

edit: I'm thinking of mounting this externally on the back of my box ....

jaydee · 07-12-2002, 06:04 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
Pepsi bottles are surprisingly resilient... They're made specifically to handle a lot of internal pressure.

LOL, I guess I am the only one using Gatorade and Powerade Bottles! Hell my water cooled comps are not even in a case! Cases are over rated!

Fixittt · 07-12-2002, 06:17 PM

2 2x4`s and some wood screws.... all the way baby, if you want to get really fancy, some L brackets and a small peice of ply wood to mount the PS on.

jaydee · 07-12-2002, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fixittt
2 2x4`s and some wood screws.... all the way baby, if you want to get really fancy, some L brackets and a small peice of ply wood to mount the PS on.

Well I am a little more high tech! I use old mobo trays and stand off's. lol works real good for a test bed.

Brians256 · 07-12-2002, 07:00 PM

Pepsi bottles have one major problem: the label. Mine developed a leak because I didn't strip the label from around the sealed area where I inserted a barbed fitting into the side. So, water seeped into the crack between the label and the plastic of the bottle itself.

Really irritated me, because it looked so neat!

V12|V12 · 07-14-2002, 05:45 PM

I think I'm going to scrap the whole idea of making an actualy Res out of plexi etc... I'm going to take a small and thin plastic bottle and make one from one of them... Forget about wasting precious epoxy/welder and TIME TIME TIME... simply purchace, drain, drill holes, epoxy, wait.... done.

bigben2k · 07-15-2002, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brians256
Pepsi bottles have one major problem: the label. Mine developed a leak because I didn't strip the label from around the sealed area where I inserted a barbed fitting into the side. So, water seeped into the crack between the label and the plastic of the bottle itself.

I wouldn't call it major, but something to be noted, for sure.

airspirit · 07-15-2002, 12:07 PM

I installed it on Thursday. I suppose it would have been a good idea to pvc glue ALL of the seals before filling my system. HyperLube all over the carpet, and 6 hours wasted before I returned it to original configuration. BTW, I reinstalled my system from pump>block>rad to pump>rad>block, and it seems to be running 2C hotter. I'm going to keep checking on this and make sure there are no other reasons that this could be happening.

Oh, and for humor, when I installed, I filled her up and started it running with the cap off. I ended up with a momentary geyser of green goop before it settled down. It's a good thing to test your system with the components OUT and in a DIFFERENT room. Heh.

I'm reinstalling it tonight (I glued the Puck out of it).

airspirit · 07-15-2002, 01:39 PM

It's installed and working great. My machine now has a snorkel sticking out the rear. The res is definitely not at the top of the loop, but it is still catching air. It's just not as efficient as a top mount, but I didn't want my rig looking like it had a damn periscope (though it would fit with the whole aquatic theme).

07-11-2002, 01:11 PM	#2
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	I guess it goes without saying that this would use an inline pump and would serve as nothing more than an efficient way to top off your system or trap air. That is why I went for the wide bottom and funnel design. It should disrupt the air bubble's path enough to cause it to keep going up rather than get sucked into the outlet (at least that is the theory). Last edited by airspirit; 07-11-2002 at 01:50 PM.

07-11-2002, 02:07 PM	#6
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I wouldn't bother with the cones. You can use a Pepsi bottle for a res. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-11-2002, 02:34 PM	#9
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Pepsi bottles are surprisingly resilient... They're made specifically to handle a lot of internal pressure. gmat's got it going on! It sounds to me like you want to build it, but that you don't want to work at it, at least not very long or hard. That's why I'm suggesting the Pepsi bottle. Otherwise, people here have made res from a "marine junction box" aka a sealed electrical box. It's square and easy to work with. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-11-2002, 03:15 PM	#10
V12\|V12 Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio-State! <--Money Hussle! SUCKS Posts: 292	Hrmm... I'd have to disagree... The simplest way is letting gravity do all the work! Your inlet should be at the highest point and outlet the lowest. That way air has 10x more of a chance of escaping the water flow. It starts at the top and most likely will end up there, rather than starting at the bottom and then, and it will, get sucked back into the outlet if you do it that way. I tried something like that and switched to a large 1" inline PVC-"T" That works pretty well, but I'm going to make a res from a mini NyQuil bottle or just cut some plexi and make a thin rectangle... I know one thing is that you shouldn't even attempt to use PE (polyethylene) plastic bottles, most epoxies don't bond to well to them. Aka the same waxy like plastic milk jugs are made from. I swear by this plastic welder/epoxy mix: Devcon III fusion. It's part welder/high tensile epoxy! 35oo PSI max, 3-4 working time, 15min set...FULL strength in ONE HR!!! good luck __________________ XP 1600+ AGOIA-Y (GreenLabel, UNLOCKED!@/ NF7-S 2.0/ PC 2700 DDR 10.5*172FSB(1806/ 1991 high), Vcore 1.792...@84.95Watts --86' Chevette Heater Core --1/2" Vinyl tubes --Via1300-Stealth Mod(QUIET!) ---Home made copper-tube block ---PVC small internal res

07-11-2002, 03:25 PM	#11
chazz469 Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 150	Works like a charm. __________________ "I believe that the moment is near when by a procedure of active paranoiac thought, it will be possible to systematize confusion to the total discrediting of the world of reality" -Salvador Dali AMD XP1600+ @1790MHz and rethinking my cooling.... MAZE3 --> DD Cooler Cube --> Eheim 1048 512MB PC2700 DDR MSI KT3 Ultra-ARU 2x 20GB Maxtor in RAID 0 1x 30GB Maxtor --> WinXP GF3 Ti200 @ 240/499

07-11-2002, 01:15 PM	#3
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Why not simply reverse the flow ? (ie inlet on the side and outlet at bottom) ?

07-11-2002, 01:50 PM	#4
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	That would work too. I dunno, I'm just thinking of putting a trap on my unit, and I don't want to spend more than $5-10 on it. I'm too broke after the project.

07-11-2002, 01:58 PM	#5
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Well that will work, provided you put the inlet higher than the outlet (in your case, on the side) so you won't recirculate bubbles... BTW I've built my aitrap with: 1 elbow (at bottom) 1 straight plug (on the side) 1 40mm pvc pipe (length: 50mm) 2 pvc end caps (the bottom one has a hole through which i put the elbow) total cost: less than $5 (not counting PVC glue which i had for other reasons).

07-11-2002, 02:19 PM	#7
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	I've thought of that, but Pepsi bottles are flimsy and that freaks me out. I am thinking of parts I can drop kick ... heh. I don't want it to get accidentally punctured on something, and I'm thinking of possibly doing a mount on the side of the case .... I dunno. I've just noticed a few tiny bubbles in my system that must have shook loose from something, and since I'm shrinking my hose lengths tonight to better fit the case, I figured now would be a good time to install something.

07-11-2002, 02:21 PM	#8
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Oh, and might I add that I'm trying to piece something together that I won't have to cut into. I'm looking for professional fittings (I know, fat chance). I'm really sloppy with that sort of thing ... impatient.

07-12-2002, 06:17 PM	#14
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	2 2x4`s and some wood screws.... all the way baby, if you want to get really fancy, some L brackets and a small peice of ply wood to mount the PS on. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

07-12-2002, 07:00 PM	#16
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	Pepsi bottles have one major problem: the label. Mine developed a leak because I didn't strip the label from around the sealed area where I inserted a barbed fitting into the side. So, water seeped into the crack between the label and the plastic of the bottle itself. Really irritated me, because it looked so neat!

07-14-2002, 05:45 PM	#17
V12\|V12 Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ohio-State! <--Money Hussle! SUCKS Posts: 292	I think I'm going to scrap the whole idea of making an actualy Res out of plexi etc... I'm going to take a small and thin plastic bottle and make one from one of them... Forget about wasting precious epoxy/welder and TIME TIME TIME... simply purchace, drain, drill holes, epoxy, wait.... done. __________________ XP 1600+ AGOIA-Y (GreenLabel, UNLOCKED!@/ NF7-S 2.0/ PC 2700 DDR 10.5*172FSB(1806/ 1991 high), Vcore 1.792...@84.95Watts --86' Chevette Heater Core --1/2" Vinyl tubes --Via1300-Stealth Mod(QUIET!) ---Home made copper-tube block ---PVC small internal res

07-15-2002, 12:07 PM	#19
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	I installed it on Thursday. I suppose it would have been a good idea to pvc glue ALL of the seals before filling my system. HyperLube all over the carpet, and 6 hours wasted before I returned it to original configuration. BTW, I reinstalled my system from pump>block>rad to pump>rad>block, and it seems to be running 2C hotter. I'm going to keep checking on this and make sure there are no other reasons that this could be happening. Oh, and for humor, when I installed, I filled her up and started it running with the cap off. I ended up with a momentary geyser of green goop before it settled down. It's a good thing to test your system with the components OUT and in a DIFFERENT room. Heh. I'm reinstalling it tonight (I glued the Puck out of it).

07-15-2002, 01:39 PM	#20
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	It's installed and working great. My machine now has a snorkel sticking out the rear. The res is definitely not at the top of the loop, but it is still catching air. It's just not as efficient as a top mount, but I didn't want my rig looking like it had a damn periscope (though it would fit with the whole aquatic theme).

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