New WB and Cold plate integ company

Anomaly2181 · 07-26-2002, 06:27 PM

I checked google for any kind of review or performance leak analysis. They have a very nice looking block, but again this is just pics on the site. Check out their new GPU BLock...it looks like a copper base and cutout with an acylic top with a hole for an led to light up your day...

If any one has heard anything good or bad let me know.

Link~ http://www.liquidcc.co.nz/liquidcc_p..._socket_a.html

jaydee · 07-26-2002, 07:12 PM

Wonder what the inside looks like on those CPU blocks?

Anomaly2181 · 07-26-2002, 07:32 PM

This is the inside of it

Linkage

#Rotor · 07-26-2002, 09:11 PM

hmmm I was wondering about the insides myself too....

a picture to me say a helofalotmore than any review can ever bring across...

they do have the right idea though.... there hight is just right....

[edit]a nother spiral variant...

[\edit]

Anomaly2181 · 07-26-2002, 10:02 PM

hehe yah it is quite sweet looking especially if u mod in a little cheap led.

BillA · 07-26-2002, 11:49 PM

gonna have to strech to beat the Innovatek

jaydee · 07-27-2002, 09:26 AM

Looks very similar to one of my earlier designs. My also had the 1/2" "e" channel design but my corners are not as rounded.

Here are a few shots of the one I made. I also put my inlet in the center of the block instead of way offset like their picture shows on their homepage.

And here is the Aluminum one I made:

I got identical performance out of both of them. Ran about 5-6C over water temp. It is a good basic design which works and is easy to mill.

jaydee · 07-27-2002, 09:32 AM

Just looked at the price! $89.00!!!!! Hell no. Way to much. Ifyou are going to drop that kind of money into a block at least get something that looks less plain like a Spir@l from Fixittt or one from GeminiCool which will perform well and look great to for a lot less. I was expecting about $30-$40 for that simple block.

Anomaly2181 · 07-27-2002, 01:52 PM

IT's NZ based if you goto the actaul ordering info....US price is $44

Anomaly2181 · 07-27-2002, 01:55 PM

hey unregistered did you test out the CC GPU block yourself?

BillA · 07-27-2002, 02:48 PM

I seem to be the only one (presently) with the testing capability to do such
but pHaestus is getting there

note that T/W is shown, some definitions copied from something else:
"C/W" = temp of die - temp of coolant inlet / Watts - this is a 'hack' term as the value varies with the flow rate

T/W = temp of wb bp - temp of coolant inlet / Watts - this is a new term, T, intended to describe wb performance, independant of the TIM joint's influence

TIM/W = (temp of die - temp of coolant inlet) - (temp of wb bp - temp of coolant inlet) / Watts [ or "C"-T/W ] - this is a valid use of the term when applied to the TIM joint, it is a constant for a given assembly

methodology described here

EDIT: corrected terminology

jaydee · 07-27-2002, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Anomaly2181
IT's NZ based if you goto the actaul ordering info....US price is $44

That's better. Still a little to much, but better.

Tojja · 07-28-2002, 05:40 PM

Hello folks.... Tijs here from LiquidCC.

Any further questions, ask away....

Website hads been updated (last night) reflect new product line and other changes to LiquidCC.

I am currently actively seeking US/other resellers for my range - let me know if you are interested (reseller@liquidcc.co.nz)

Anomaly2181 · 07-28-2002, 09:05 PM

i was curious if there were any comparison tests between your block and maybe a few others like DD's.

How do you power the led? can you hook it to your graphics card, or do you need to run some wires to your psu?

BTW it does look sweet.

What do you have to do in order to be a re-seller? Make a nice web site with some comparisons to other gpu blocks, and mail out some GPU blocks from your house?

Tojja · 07-28-2002, 09:27 PM

Anomaly2181, there are few compos as yet. Dansdata has a review, see here: http://www.dansdata.com/coolercomp_p6.htm#lccs

LED will be powered from GFX card header - working on a pre-built kit as we speak

Quote:

What do you have to do in order to be a re-seller? Make a nice web site with some comparisons to other gpu blocks, and mail out some GPU blocks from your house?

? Ambiguous comment. A reseller needs reputation, market penetration (yes, I said penetration

), market knowledge and product knowledge. IMHO. They would form the basis for my reseller screening criteria.

I work another job, so selling 500 units to one guy is preferable to selling 50 units to 10 resller (or even worse, 1 unit to 500 guys) - there is less per unit money in it, but then time is my scarcist resource by far....

BillA · 07-28-2002, 10:31 PM

I should add - since I have a Surge wb,

the spring compressing 'bullets' are very effective
well worth the money

Anomaly2181 · 07-28-2002, 11:09 PM

hehe yah thats understandable. I'm a college student so I don't fit the catagory of company with good rep, but if interested I could prob handle the job.

Do you have a review on the actaul GPU block? I read that whole review on all CPU blocks.

airspirit · 07-31-2002, 04:44 PM

I would guess from the inlet positioning and thickness of the block that this one would do pretty decent. I am assuming that the inside is rough milled for turbulence? It looks it. That said, using the block alone will probably give good results.

BAD NEWS!!!: There is no independant clamping for the pelt cold plate to pressurize the pelt. You'll get inefficient use of the pelt. And whoever slapped that on that machine without insulation should be hung. That is asking for problems.

Block alone: probably good to excellent
Block with pelt kit: you'll be better off sticking your lawn sprinkler in your box.

Oh, and in a business question, what justifies $26 bucks for a piece of copper with four holes drilled in it? Lazy customers?Doesn't make sense to me.

Tojja · 07-31-2002, 04:48 PM

Quote:

BAD NEWS!!!: There is no independant clamping for the pelt cold plate to pressurize the pelt. You'll get inefficient use of the pelt. And whoever slapped that on that machine without insulation should be hung. That is asking for problems.

Two things:
1. Please clarify what you are talking about
2. If you are referring to LiquidCC gear, you do NOT know what you are talking about. If not, don't worry

.

By all means ask questions so that I can clarify some of your points

Tijs, MD LiquidCC

Anomaly2181 · 07-31-2002, 04:50 PM

hehe. If I bought something from them it would be just the GPU block, and I'm not pelt cooling my gpu. Although I am pelt cooling my CPU. Just ordered my chemning server case black, BIX 2, and a Danner 350 mag drive...figured 350 would be plenty, after that the pump just adds too much heat

going to do all dremel work and plumbing before I buy all the actual computer componentsand water blocks...figure they will have dropped a good bit by the time I'm done ; )

Tojja · 07-31-2002, 05:10 PM

FYI, PixelIce + and PixelIce T will be coming out in August.

PixelIce+ - better perforamnce compared with plain'ole'PixelIce

PixelIceT - TEC enabled

airspirit · 07-31-2002, 05:28 PM

Tojja: I do know what I'm talking about here.

1) With use of peltier units, the area in and around the socket MUST MUST MUST !!! (!!!) be insulated from condensation or you WILL WILL WILL !!! (!!!) fry your computer. They run cold on the cold side of the pelt and that attracts scads of consation which does not mix well with electronics.

2) Pelts must have 150-300 PSI for maximum effectiveness. Since your typical CPU can only handle 16-20 PSI before they CRUSH INTO SILICONE WRECKAGE you cannot use a peltier unit effectively with your block. Here is a tip: manufacture them with a secondary securing device so that the block and cold plate can be compressed to 150-300 PSI against each other, and then secured to the CPU at the correct pressure. You NEED two sets of connectors: one between the block and plate, and the other from that assembly to the motherboard. It would dramatically increase the effectiveness of your pelt block assembly.

3) I do know about your blocks from what I can see in your online pictures. A picture says a thousand words, and those two errors (or oversights) are glaring. Sorry.

Any more questions?

airspirit · 07-31-2002, 05:39 PM

Oh, and along those lines, it looks like secondary holes can be drilled quite easily into your block and plate. The only problem is that it may cause it to be impossible to use two pelts (which from the channel placement may be a fools endeavor anyway ... heat xfer from the outside areas of the pelts [away from the channel] would be cooled much less than the areas directly under the channels). I'd look into it if I were you ... it would dramatically increase performance, and you can then justify a higher price for your unit. People pay more for better products. The nice thing is that a mod like this wouldn't be a large increase in manufacturing cost, but would dramatically increase the product benefit. All good things.

Tojja · 07-31-2002, 05:45 PM

So many things I WANT to post, but emotions aside, please carefully read the following:

I am very well versed in the way of the peltier. Designing these blocks was a result of much research, testing and refinement.

The photo on the site was taken for illustrative purposes, so that people were able to SEE the block without it being covered in insulation. (BTW, I will get a new link for the review - it is currently down at the moment....)

Observant people, as a result of the above, could see features such as the 4 screws surrounding the peltiers, used to clamp the 1/4" cold-plate at around 150-200psi to the waterblock.

Intelligent observers would have also done two other things:
- Read through the specs for the IceBlock, and found out the above anyway (sometimes TEXT says fewer, more useful words than a picture can)
- Look at the picture - socket A mounting holes are 36mm and 66mm apart, centre to centre - you will notice the the cap screw you can see are noticeably further apart than this.

The waterblock is attached to the motherboard, in turn, from the rear of the motherboard, via 4 studs attached to the rear of the coldplate (see attached photo)

My main point of this - ask questions - all your gems of wisdom had been carefully thought out many months ago - if you had taken the time to ask instead of assume (which makes and ass otu of u and me

), we coulda saved a few posts

From my end, I will add some more pics, and clarify the attached description somewhat, to prevent this confusion in future.

Cheers.

airspirit · 07-31-2002, 06:04 PM

My apologies. From the look of the pix, you couldn't tell that there were two sets of screws (though where do the motherboard screws come from? I still can't figure that one out, unless they come from the plate only). Clarification on the page would definitely help people like me that may dismiss the product as inferior because of that same reason.

I'd still be hesitant to use two pelts for the reason outlined above, but with one pelt it looks like it would kick @ss. You convinced me.

BTW, what is the thickness of that cold plate?

07-26-2002, 06:27 PM	#1
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	New WB and Cold plate integ company I checked google for any kind of review or performance leak analysis. They have a very nice looking block, but again this is just pics on the site. Check out their new GPU BLock...it looks like a copper base and cutout with an acylic top with a hole for an led to light up your day... If any one has heard anything good or bad let me know. Link~ http://www.liquidcc.co.nz/liquidcc_p..._socket_a.html __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat.

07-26-2002, 07:32 PM	#3
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	This is the inside of it Linkage __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat.

07-26-2002, 09:11 PM	#4
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	hmmm I was wondering about the insides myself too.... a picture to me say a helofalotmore than any review can ever bring across... they do have the right idea though.... there hight is just right.... [edit]a nother spiral variant... [\edit] __________________ There is no Spoon....

07-26-2002, 10:02 PM	#5
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	hehe yah it is quite sweet looking especially if u mod in a little cheap led. __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat.

07-27-2002, 01:52 PM	#9
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	IT's NZ based if you goto the actaul ordering info....US price is $44 __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat.

07-26-2002, 07:12 PM	#2
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Wonder what the inside looks like on those CPU blocks?

07-26-2002, 11:49 PM	#6
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	gonna have to strech to beat the Innovatek

07-27-2002, 09:26 AM	#7
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Looks very similar to one of my earlier designs. My also had the 1/2" "e" channel design but my corners are not as rounded. Here are a few shots of the one I made. I also put my inlet in the center of the block instead of way offset like their picture shows on their homepage. And here is the Aluminum one I made: I got identical performance out of both of them. Ran about 5-6C over water temp. It is a good basic design which works and is easy to mill.

07-27-2002, 09:32 AM	#8
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	Just looked at the price! $89.00!!!!! Hell no. Way to much. Ifyou are going to drop that kind of money into a block at least get something that looks less plain like a Spir@l from Fixittt or one from GeminiCool which will perform well and look great to for a lot less. I was expecting about $30-$40 for that simple block.

07-27-2002, 01:55 PM	#10
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	hey unregistered did you test out the CC GPU block yourself? __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat.

07-27-2002, 02:48 PM	#11
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	I seem to be the only one (presently) with the testing capability to do such but pHaestus is getting there note that T/W is shown, some definitions copied from something else: "C/W" = temp of die - temp of coolant inlet / Watts - this is a 'hack' term as the value varies with the flow rate T/W = temp of wb bp - temp of coolant inlet / Watts - this is a new term, T, intended to describe wb performance, independant of the TIM joint's influence TIM/W = (temp of die - temp of coolant inlet) - (temp of wb bp - temp of coolant inlet) / Watts [ or "C"-T/W ] - this is a valid use of the term when applied to the TIM joint, it is a constant for a given assembly methodology described here EDIT: corrected terminology Last edited by BillA; 07-27-2002 at 03:04 PM.

07-28-2002, 05:40 PM	#13
Tojja Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 6	Hello folks.... Tijs here from LiquidCC. Any further questions, ask away.... Website hads been updated (last night) reflect new product line and other changes to LiquidCC. I am currently actively seeking US/other resellers for my range - let me know if you are interested (reseller@liquidcc.co.nz)

07-28-2002, 09:05 PM	#14
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	i was curious if there were any comparison tests between your block and maybe a few others like DD's. How do you power the led? can you hook it to your graphics card, or do you need to run some wires to your psu? BTW it does look sweet. What do you have to do in order to be a re-seller? Make a nice web site with some comparisons to other gpu blocks, and mail out some GPU blocks from your house? __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat. Last edited by Anomaly2181; 07-28-2002 at 09:07 PM.

07-28-2002, 10:31 PM	#16
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	I should add - since I have a Surge wb, the spring compressing 'bullets' are very effective well worth the money

07-28-2002, 11:09 PM	#17
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	hehe yah thats understandable. I'm a college student so I don't fit the catagory of company with good rep, but if interested I could prob handle the job. Do you have a review on the actaul GPU block? I read that whole review on all CPU blocks. __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat.

07-31-2002, 04:44 PM	#18
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	I would guess from the inlet positioning and thickness of the block that this one would do pretty decent. I am assuming that the inside is rough milled for turbulence? It looks it. That said, using the block alone will probably give good results. BAD NEWS!!!: There is no independant clamping for the pelt cold plate to pressurize the pelt. You'll get inefficient use of the pelt. And whoever slapped that on that machine without insulation should be hung. That is asking for problems. Block alone: probably good to excellent Block with pelt kit: you'll be better off sticking your lawn sprinkler in your box. Oh, and in a business question, what justifies $26 bucks for a piece of copper with four holes drilled in it? Lazy customers?Doesn't make sense to me.

07-31-2002, 04:50 PM	#20
Anomaly2181 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 67	hehe. If I bought something from them it would be just the GPU block, and I'm not pelt cooling my gpu. Although I am pelt cooling my CPU. Just ordered my chemning server case black, BIX 2, and a Danner 350 mag drive...figured 350 would be plenty, after that the pump just adds too much heat going to do all dremel work and plumbing before I buy all the actual computer componentsand water blocks...figure they will have dropped a good bit by the time I'm done ; ) __________________ I want to die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather.....not like my family kicking and screaming in his backseat.

07-31-2002, 05:10 PM	#21
Tojja Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New Zealand Posts: 6	FYI, PixelIce + and PixelIce T will be coming out in August. PixelIce+ - better perforamnce compared with plain'ole'PixelIce PixelIceT - TEC enabled

07-31-2002, 05:28 PM	#22
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Tojja: I do know what I'm talking about here. 1) With use of peltier units, the area in and around the socket MUST MUST MUST !!! (!!!) be insulated from condensation or you WILL WILL WILL !!! (!!!) fry your computer. They run cold on the cold side of the pelt and that attracts scads of consation which does not mix well with electronics. 2) Pelts must have 150-300 PSI for maximum effectiveness. Since your typical CPU can only handle 16-20 PSI before they CRUSH INTO SILICONE WRECKAGE you cannot use a peltier unit effectively with your block. Here is a tip: manufacture them with a secondary securing device so that the block and cold plate can be compressed to 150-300 PSI against each other, and then secured to the CPU at the correct pressure. You NEED two sets of connectors: one between the block and plate, and the other from that assembly to the motherboard. It would dramatically increase the effectiveness of your pelt block assembly. 3) I do know about your blocks from what I can see in your online pictures. A picture says a thousand words, and those two errors (or oversights) are glaring. Sorry. Any more questions?

07-31-2002, 05:39 PM	#23
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Oh, and along those lines, it looks like secondary holes can be drilled quite easily into your block and plate. The only problem is that it may cause it to be impossible to use two pelts (which from the channel placement may be a fools endeavor anyway ... heat xfer from the outside areas of the pelts [away from the channel] would be cooled much less than the areas directly under the channels). I'd look into it if I were you ... it would dramatically increase performance, and you can then justify a higher price for your unit. People pay more for better products. The nice thing is that a mod like this wouldn't be a large increase in manufacturing cost, but would dramatically increase the product benefit. All good things.

07-31-2002, 06:04 PM	#25
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	My apologies. From the look of the pix, you couldn't tell that there were two sets of screws (though where do the motherboard screws come from? I still can't figure that one out, unless they come from the plate only). Clarification on the page would definitely help people like me that may dismiss the product as inferior because of that same reason. I'd still be hesitant to use two pelts for the reason outlined above, but with one pelt it looks like it would kick @ss. You convinced me. BTW, what is the thickness of that cold plate?

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