|Unknown, perhaps you should take the time to read just which person I was responding to. I wasn't responding or referring to yourself.

Go back and look at whose post I quoted.

Are you sure it isn't the motherboard that's responsible for throttling things down? My AMD board will just beep at me if the heatsink isn't mounted right.
Don't lie during the RMA process! It's unethical.

And to the guy who toasted his cpu: live and learn

Well.... i do not have to justify anything.... if intel had the ability to charge double for there product and make a killing, they darn well would. There in bussiness for there own benefit, why then would i not want to benefit myself when possible.

My apologies Cathar. It seemed as if you were making a blanket statement while responding to someone else.

My mistake.

I tend to agree. I have a new laptop from ********* and have several issues with it. I was offered money back, but turned it down to have a machine that works correctly. It's a judgement call.

Hmm...

Because you try to live by some ethical principles???

Apparently not. By your rationale, one might assume that shoplifting is a way of life for you.

Then your assumptions, by your rational, make you, in my eyes no brighter then you claim me to be. But I thank you for your assumptions, and it makes me feel better about doing it myself....

I guess we all give and take, just some of us would actually have others believe they are in it to do what is "ethical" and that when it comes down to it, its not every man for himself. I laugh at you. Surely when it comes down to primal instincts, its about survival. I guess buying a new prossessor is ok with you, but i havent the resources, and to ensure my survival, i would try my best to get a new dam CPU... :-P

BTW, with your wise rational, we could call all overclockers who try to get more speed out of there CPU and effectively attain clocks of those processors that cost more, immoral as well, as they are screwing AMD out of money that would justly be theirs. Why ignore one, but condemn the other? Hypocrite.

I think "treat others the way you want to be treated" comes into play here. People are going to learn the hard way when they try to ignore this. It DOES come back eventually.

A very famous line comes to mind from Pygmalion (better known as My Fair Lady when it was remade into a musical).

The gist of it goes something like this:

Alfred (To Higgins): "Want to buy my daughter?"

Higgins: "Good god man, have you no morals?"

Alfred: "No Sir, can't afford them!"

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Right...so basically you're saying that it's okay for someone to knowingly break something in direct contravention to the terms of usage of the device, and then cry "Capitalism is Evil" while demanding that they get a free one in return.

If you truly believe that capitalism is evil, then perhaps I'm not the one who should be wishing to move to China.

I have no problems with RMA'ing legitimately faulty equipment, that's what it is for.

I have a problem with people breaking stuff and using whatever lame justification in their head in an attempt to legitimise what is essentially theft.

Let's put it another way. You sell something to someone that you know is working just fine because you tested it to work just fine right before you handed it over. They break it, and then come back to you and demand another one for free because you sold them something that was broken.

Believing that such is wrong is not standing on a moral high ground. This is basic fundamental ethics for living or else the world would fall into rampant lawlessness if "the masses" truly believed such as well.

What never ceases to amaze me is the indignity with which dishonest folk react with when they are named as such. I guess it's part of the same mentality that allows them to justify their dishonesty in the first place.

LoL! I think ya nailed it Cathar.

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I have found personally that people who compromise on the small stuff, end up compromising on larger things later in life. Although you find some certain aspects of honesty somewhat appalling, I find your willingness to openly defend stealing in this fashion very revealing of your character. Don't attack Cathar for having an adverse opinion of low morals, it certainly doesn't seem to elevate your position.

I find your location description under your avatar somewhat revealing if not ironic. :D

Why would there be any immorality in buying a product and using it as I see fit. If I use it outside the manufacturer's specified operating conditions, then I give up any right to warranty replacement, that's my choice.

No manufacturer is entitled to my money. I choose what products I will buy to suit my needs, and pay the price asked. There is no dishonesty involved in my purchases or warranty claims.

Your attempt at an argument is pathetic.

In this case, an arguement could be made that RMA'ing the processor to Intel is a valid thing to do. If you contact Intel, inform them that you fried a CPU they made while installing a high-performance/non-standard cooler, and you believe that the overheat-protection on your CPU is at fault for the CPU frying, you have a perfectly reasonable case for them to look at. And if Intel decides to replace your processor due to faulty overheat protection then congratulations.

But if you say you have a faulty processor for any other reason, it is lying and theft.

Anonymous: I truly hope your karma gets back at you - for lack of a better way to put it. I (and many other people here) are promoting ethics to make our own lives easier - it is in our own self-interest to do so. People like you that try and return everything they can is the reason that horrible RMA policies at many companies exist. Every time someone breaks a perfectly good product and tries to RMA it, it gets a little bit harder for me if I need to RMA something that is actually faulty sometime in the future.

All these computer companies could make things easier on themselves and on us if they'd just put a little jumper/dipswitch/something on their products to enable OC'ing/clock-unlocking/volt-moding/etc. and then put a security device over top of it that can't be removed without leaving physical evidence (and obviously a "warrantee void if tampered with" style warning). All the OC'ers would be happy because we wouldn't need to jump through hoops to do what we like, and the companies would have a significantly lower rate of RMA's of products that people have broken. eg. if AMD just put a single set of pins on all future AthlonXP's, and made them very easy to connect to unlock the multiplier, and put a perforated sticker with really good glue over the entire thing, we could stop with all the reverse-engineering of which pins do what and stuff and get back to OC'ing. And the number of OC'd CPU's that people fried that also still have that sticker intact would be quite low.

Thats one of the most intelligent observations I have read today. You should make a business case for that.

Well, I have good news. I received my new ASUS P4P800 board tonight and everything is running fine. For whatever reason the CPU failed on another board (don't know why and now don't care) but I installed it along with the WW, BIX and Eheim 1250 and it's running like a champ.

Thanks to those that posted non-flaming messages. I can't believe this thread turned out the way it did.

"For whatever reason the CPU failed on another board "

Wait, so was it the CPU or the motherboard that was bad?

He was suspecting the CPU was bad, thats why he talked about RMAing it.
But it looks like the board.
However it can also be working.

Huh...

EDIT:
And By the way, when i was refering to original windows, i meant if anyone are using a LEGALIZED version of windows.
I mean a bought one.

Ahh. I thought you were feeling nostalgically masochistic, and were looking for Windows 1.0 or something.

Yes, I use a purchased copy of Windows XP.

What about office? And adobe photoshop? And 3dstudio? And autocad? And games? etc etc etc...

I think that it needs to be understood that nobody is perfect. Nobody is saying that they are. Most everyone does something that they "shouldn't".

The difference here being that most are willing to accept that what they're doing is the wrong thing to do.

There's a large difference between someone who does something wrong and understands that it's wrong, as opposed to someone who does something wrong but defends publically that it's still okay to do it and not wrong at all.

The first is dishonest and I dare most most everyone has been dishonest at some stage in their lives. The second is just plain idiotic.

What annoys me is those who attempt to justify dishonesty as being "right". What's even more annoying is those that point to other dishonest people (or dishonest acts) and attempt to use that as justification that doing the wrong thing really is okay. If that's the case, then where does it stop? Is murder something that we can point at and say "Hey, he did it, therefore it's okay for me to kill someone too?"

Again, there's a difference between understanding the difference between right and wrong and choosing to do something that's wrong, and committing a wrongful act and choosing to believe that it was the right thing to do.

People who like to defend their dishonesty always seem to lose that distinction when plying their pitiful defence. If it's wrong, then be a big enough person to admit it and accept it, and not be a total weasel about it.

Bought, although I only have Office 97.

I don't have any of those. You haven't noticed my lovely Paint drawings?

Bought.

I usually won't buy a game till it's dropped to $30. (Or better yet $9.95) Although I'll probably buy HL2 at the initial price.'

Are you really that skeptical that someone would buy the software they use?

The board was bad.