But i made my point. 3dmark is a crappy benchmark.
For what i've seen, a 9500 pro is the best "value per buck" out there. Goes up to head with a ti4600 and costs alot less.
With a 8500 you could alyway give it a new bios and say "i've got a 9100"

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Dont like those gf4mx, they're like a gf2mx on steroids. Still , they are dirty cheap, but you get what you pay

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