BI Prime/Xtreme or BI II for this setup?

[OC&Burn]

Hi!

Im running a Duron 600 at 1200Mhz with a Vcore of 2.35 so there is ALOT of heat over here (a duron is harder to cool down than a Athlon/XP....the smaller core)

Im using this right now:

DD Maze2
DD Cube radiator (the first with aluminium fins)
Eheim 1048
Papst 56Cfm fan

The problem is that the system gets quite (correct spelling?) hot with a Vcore over 2 so with a Vcore at 2.35 it is hot
So im thinking about replacing the Cube with a BI, but which BI is the best for me? The Prime/Extreme or II? I've heard that the Extreme stops the flowrate quite well so that radiator isnt that good? Well, rumors...what do YOU think. PLEASE help me out, can't deside.....

/OC&Burn

[cristoff]

two times the overclock is sweet!!! Man if only my 950 could do 1200's hehe....1190 on a good day with air cooling....

[OC&Burn]

Thanks

Love this processor, didn't even buy it, got it for free from a guy that didnt want it anymore (he got to 1080 aircooled). So at 1200Mhz (150fsb 2-2-2-5) it's not THAT slow.

Can anyone help me out with my radiator question?

/OC&Burn

[DigitalChaos]

a chevette heatercore performed better for me than a BIX

i used a maze2, duron, eheim1250... just swapping out the BIX got me about 2 degrees better... and its cheaper.

[OC&Burn]

Ok, but Im interrested in a BI, any cons and pros about them? prime/xtreme/II....

/OC&Burn

[Haddy]

dpeneds on what u want...
cheap+preformence+not all that good lookin=heatercore
OR
not so cheap+same preformence+great looking/small=bix

**hehe sorry all the math things today been doing math work for like 4 straight hours**

[Haddy]

Originally posted by DigitalChaos
a chevette heatercore performed better for me than a BIX

i used a maze2, duron, eheim1250... just swapping out the BIX got me about 2 degrees better... and its cheaper.

wheres ur bix now? gona selll it? also u need 100+ cfm going threw it to get good preformence

[OC&Burn]

Thanks for the answer

But it's alot more than 70-75W I tried a XP1600+@1750+ (1500Mhz) 1.7Vcore = should be around 70-75W?

And I got half the temperature im getting with the duron
This is one HOT cpu

Is there anyone here that knows how to calculate the W on the CPU?

/OC&Burn

[ECUPirate]

no, but I would seriously look into getting a heater core. BIX are way overpriced.

Read this article for a full write-up on various rads....

http://www.overclockers.com/articles481/

...very informative. Depending on size, heater cores can be had for cheap. Look under Ford or Ford trucks for some nice cores 6 1/8" wide by however tall. Find them here..
http://www.heatercore4u.com

then go to autozone and buy them. $16-28USD... can't beat it. spend the extra money on porn...

[Haddy]

Originally posted by ECUPirate
no, but I would seriously look into getting a heater core. BIX are way overpriced.

Read this article for a full write-up on various rads....

http://www.overclockers.com/articles481/

...very informative. Depending on size, heater cores can be had for cheap. Look under Ford or Ford trucks for some nice cores 6 1/8" wide by however tall. Find them here..
http://www.heatercore4u.com

then go to autozone and buy them. $16-28USD... can't beat it. spend the extra money on porn...

c people thing thats all u gotta spend...now say u dont have the hack saw to take those barbs off that are already on there (there goes another 15) say u dont have some jb weld (there goes another 7), the barbs (another 6), and also ur time (wont count that).... now the chevette one around here is 20bucks so that 20+15+7+6=$48 (not includingthe time).....now thats not including the stuff to make a shroud which would probably be another 20....so all in all when u think about it and work it all out the bix is really that much more i just got one from a friend who got his for about $72.....plus i just think the bix looks great...and if u want the heatercore to look like it from the sides add some paint to it which is about what 7bucks a can for auto spray....so if u didnt have any tools thats ~$75 for a heatercore....

[ondaedg]

you're right haddy. I have been fooling around with heatercores for 6 months now and tryin to get them to work consistently, while still maintaining a good look is very difficult due to the fact that you have to address so many issues with them. Among those issues is how to mount fans to them and how to mount them inside your case. Heatercores work well, but the extra time and effort (AND money) you have to put into them to make then work as well as a Black Ice is not worth it in my opinion.

[Haddy]

now c i said black ice xtreme (bix) not the black ice origninal (bi) theres a mondo diff betten those as far as preformence...but ive herd good things about the black ice 2 (bi2)

[OC&Burn]

Originally posted by Highvoltagepc
OC&BURN,I may be wrong, but i use a program called radiate to calculate the watts of a cpu,heres a pic of a 1200mhz duron but at only 2.05 volts-

and the zip file if you want to check it out the program.....http://www.highvoltagepc.com/images/radiate.zip


l8tr~

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Yeah, I have that program myself but it isn't right, someone at another forum ones showed me a formula how to calculate the W...If I only could remember it.

/OC&Burn

[Brad]

if you want to fit it in the space the current cooling cube is in then buy the BIX as it's the same width and height. if you aren't worried about size, go for a BI2 as you can run 2x 120mm's on it

[Haddy]

Originally posted by Brad
if you want to fit it in the space the current cooling cube is in then buy the BIX as it's the same width and height. if you aren't worried about size, go for a BI2 as you can run 2x 120mm's on it

u can run 2 120s on the bix too...in a push pull config.....

also for the guys with the watt test problems here

http://www.benchtest.com/calc.html

also ur generating ~118w there bubba...with a duron 600@1200 @2.35v

[max007007]

OC&Burn --> My advise to you is that to get the best you can affort. No need to upgrade radiator later on.

[Cyco-Dude]

Originally posted by Haddy
c people think thats all u gotta spend...now say u dont have the hack saw to take those barbs off that are already on there (there goes another 15) say u dont have some jb weld (there goes another 7), the barbs (another 6), and also ur time (wont count that).... now the chevette one around here is 20bucks so that 20+15+7+6=$48 (not including the time).....now thats not including the stuff to make a shroud which would probably be another 20....so all in all when u think about it and work it all out the bix is really that much more i just got one from a friend who got his for about $72.....plus i just think the bix looks great...and if u want the heatercore to look like it from the sides add some paint to it which is about what 7bucks a can for auto spray....so if u didnt have any tools thats ~$75 for a heatercore....

that may be true, but you can just buy the core from DDen or Dtek Customs for $30-35 which is still a lot cheaper than any black ice rad. mounting to the case isnt a huge issue (just get some narrow threaded rods and nuts). the shroud is the main issue i think, but you can just make one out of cardboard and duct tape (ghetto i know, but it works). a plastic food container would also work if you dont want to fool around with sheet metal.
the cores also look ugly...until you prime and paint them (im painting mine a dark metallic grey...looks good so far). the only thing the BIX has going for it that a heater core doesnt is that its easier to mount fans onto it, and its smaller (thus easier to mount into smaller cases). decide for yourself if its woth the extra $30...i think not.

[ECUPirate]

c people thing thats all u gotta spend...now say u dont have the hack saw to take those barbs off that are already on there (there goes another 15) say u dont have some jb weld (there goes another 7), the barbs (another 6), and also ur time (wont count that).... now the chevette one around here is 20bucks so that 20+15+7+6=$48 (not includingthe time).....now thats not including the stuff to make a shroud which would probably be another 20....so all in all when u think about it and work it all out the bix is really that much more i just got one from a friend who got his for about $72.....plus i just think the bix looks great...and if u want the heatercore to look like it from the sides add some paint to it which is about what 7bucks a can for auto spray....so if u didnt have any tools thats ~$75 for a heatercore....

that's crap. many cores have two 5/8" fittings... perfect for 1/2" hose. even the length of the fittings on the econoline core is good. the shroud is iffy... could just zip tie a fan to it.. I'll think of something better, for sure, but this beast will fit 2 120mm fans, and I paid $28. I don't think it looks bad at all. Besides... doesn't painting a radiator reduce its effectiveness? hmmm? I can just see paint getting all over those fine copper wires inside the core, clogging them up. If I had to paint it, I'd take a little brush and paint just the visible part.

[Haddy]

Originally posted by ECUPirate


that's crap. many cores have two 5/8" fittings... perfect for 1/2" hose. even the length of the fittings on the econoline core is good. the shroud is iffy... could just zip tie a fan to it.. I'll think of something better, for sure, but this beast will fit 2 120mm fans, and I paid $28. I don't think it looks bad at all. Besides... doesn't painting a radiator reduce its effectiveness? hmmm? I can just see paint getting all over those fine copper wires inside the core, clogging them up. If I had to paint it, I'd take a little brush and paint just the visible part.

glad u havent had any leaks....so u still have that 3inch plus of tubing as ur barbs huh well glad u like the ghetto look (imo, no offense if u like it) also u dont paint the core u paint the sides and top and bottom...also a heatercore isnt a radiator its a heatercore theres a difference

[Cyco-Dude]

to ECU: actually, i did paint the fins. you dont paint striaght into them, you paint down at an angle so only that first aluminum part thats visible is painted while the fine copper fins or wires (or whatever it is lol) remains unpainted.

to Haddy: its a trade-off. the cores look uglier, and are a little more difficult to mount fans to (and typically bigger), but they cost a lot less :shrug:
believe me, if i had the choice of a BIX or a heater core, id take the BIX lol, but the darn thing is just too expensive...

[Cyco-Dude]

lol, its not like I put a thick coat on, a light spraying will do

[Haddy]

Originally posted by Cyco-Dude
to Haddy: its a trade-off. the cores look uglier, and are a little more difficult to mount fans to (and typically bigger), but they cost a lot less :shrug:
believe me, if i had the choice of a BIX or a heater core, id take the BIX lol, but the darn thing is just too expensive...

hehe yea only reason i like my bixs is i got one for 30bucks (from a friend who had to sell his stuff..the other i got for like 75 bucks from cooltechnia.com)