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08-15-2003, 08:54 PM
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Cooling Savant
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People can't fit water into their computers?
 Heck, I can pull mine out without taking any of it apart. IGNORE THE WATER...its out to be cleaned and refilled and checked. Ugh, it looks ugly.
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08-16-2003, 08:05 AM
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Cooling Savant
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  not in the pic is the hard-drive block and rad,(allready in the case when I snapped that one....) what does your case look like, with it all in...  that is a 4 block rig, working on the block for the gigbit LAN card.
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08-16-2003, 09:36 AM
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Cooling Savant
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GIGABIT! GIMMIE!
 Installed Unfortunately I opened the water block and found sometime in the running I got corrosion.  But I guess the next refill kept that at bay.
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08-16-2003, 12:01 PM
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Cooling Savant
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umm.... why would you want to watercool your gigabit LAN? If I remember correctly, the one I installed last week didn't even have a heatsink.
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08-16-2003, 12:52 PM
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Cooling Savant
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well this one has a nice little heatsink on it....
I don't like heatsinks..... I don't like them one little bit.....  to illustrate the predicament I'm in... That little heatsink, is making me look mediocre, average, so NOT extreme....  would you not agree??? It's just got ta go!!! MFPMAX... you did well, getting that rig al nice and tucked in.... well indeed...
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08-16-2003, 01:35 PM
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Cooling Savant
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Also known as...
INSANE But in a good way.
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08-16-2003, 02:21 PM
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Cooling Neophyte
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08-16-2003, 02:34 PM
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Cooling Savant
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I think a better way would be to mount a CPU HSF w/ an 80mm fan to it
of course, on the other hand... why not?
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08-16-2003, 06:51 PM
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you scare me sire.  tho if youre seriously thinking about going back to arcane fans, i would highly recommend those rotons' theyre great fan, be sure to buy two of those babies then mount em on the side of you computer and u will have 1,100 CFM cooling that thing
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08-16-2003, 10:13 PM
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Talking about my radiator fans again? Hehe ....
Most people just don't think before designing their systems, and that is really the crux of the matter. I've seen a picture of a watercooled shuttle mini-pc before ... it can be done.
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08-16-2003, 11:18 PM
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Cooling Savant
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I don't need anything that small either But man, when people buy a 8 bay server case and post a thread saying "I don't think my water cooler will fit"... I just go "sigh"
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08-16-2003, 11:51 PM
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Cooling Savant
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Well, my radiator and pump alone are larger than your entire set up there... I find an 80mm vantec stealth fan at 12v too loud for my computer. Which things like a double size radiator like mine is neccessary for my setup to have good temps. since I stuck a fan over the pump to try and get more of its heat dissapating to air, I'm down to 4C above ambient and my systems noise is well below ambient... but there's no way this stuff will fit in my midtower case. Theres just no room for that kind of radiator. I figure a cube case is the only way I'll easily fit in that radiator without massive mods in a set up that I like...
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08-17-2003, 12:48 AM
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Cooling Neophyte
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hey i got a question, about radators, would an regular car engine radator work? i'm thinking of geting one for some furture experment of mine, but i'm thinking two pump here, we got an tank of water then an very powerful pump to shove the water though the car radator, then the water flow right back into the tank, cooling it down more, then there's a second smaller pump that pumps the water out of the tank though the cpu block, GPU block and anything else that needs cooling then dump it back into the tank. would that setup work?
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08-17-2003, 01:01 AM
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Car radiators are aluminum. Keep that in mind.
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08-17-2003, 02:40 AM
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anyway shouldn't something like antifreeze and few other chemical help slow/stop the corrosion between copper/brass/aluminum anyway i might be able to find an all copper radator if not a car one, then some LARGE copper radator of some type of at minum what 3-4 feet wide about 2-3 feet tall then i would stick a few roton fans on that thing
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08-17-2003, 09:25 AM
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Cooling Savant
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car rads will work awesome.... and you do not need a bigger pump to get it through the rad either.... actually the rad's size makes it even less of an back-pressure generator for you existing pump.
The single most difficult hurdle with it though, is where you are gona put it... If that ain't a problem, then why are we not seeing any pictures of it yet
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08-17-2003, 02:16 PM
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Cooling Neophyte
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Haha, right now i'm building my computer for college thus everything has to fit inside, which is no problem its an lian-li 75 nice and large case, anyway when i get out of college and have some cash i'm going to see if i can't find an decent car radator for an reasonable price then do some expertment
such as, finding a large deep freezer, then clean it out, put my resvor in there with some anti-freeze then put the car radator in there and put two roton on it so i will be circling the chilly air though the rad or something. |
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08-17-2003, 03:18 PM
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Cooling Savant
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S.L. what you are talking about is a two-loop system and that can be beneficial, though probably not necessary for you.
Older car and equipment radiators are copper & brass -ie pre-70's and even some more current ones. They can still be bought new or salvaged (good luck finding a corrosion free one). edit: changed "all copper" to "copper and brass"
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08-17-2003, 05:06 PM
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Cooling Neophyte
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This has me thinking you would get very good temps with a car radiator.
I was looking at this site here http://www.frigair.com/index_en.html i only had a very quick look the first i seen was a rad from an Alpha 75 this has a surface area of 410*440*38 and is made from copper and brass . You could have this at the side of your case might not look very pretty but would do the job well. |
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08-17-2003, 10:37 PM
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Cooling Savant
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It might work well, just remember that an infinately big rad will only give water temps slightly above ambiant. So there are diminishing gains... What are your temps now as compared to ambiant?
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08-17-2003, 10:58 PM
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Cooling Neophyte
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anyway i know that larger you get the less return you get for a single cpu system but if you got like 3 or 4 or so computer all hooked up to the same radator, sort of like the setup airspriit has it would be much more benefical anyway i'm thinking of building an sort of deep freezer wind tunnel where it chills the air nice and chilly or better yet, build an sort of water tank and put the cooling elements into the tank, and put some antifreeze into the water, then u could do away with the radator and have nice chilly water
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08-17-2003, 11:17 PM
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Cooling Savant
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My next setup will be a bath system. I am trying to find the right coolant (non-conductive, liquid at low temps, etc). I am even going to submerge the hard drives (why not, they are in a vacuum??). I know there is research and data on this and I need to look into it some more, but I can't handle it right now.
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08-18-2003, 02:14 PM
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Cooling Savant
Join Date: Oct 2000
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And the drawbacks to improper coolant mixture the first time around.
 Since I refilled the setup once before, it kept the problem from increasing any further.  After I cleaned it up...you can see the anodized bits that aren't anodized anymore in the circles.  And the ONLY flaw I've found with the MaxiJet...the weak plastic inlet nose can be crushed or broken if too much pressure is applied. This by no means is a downfall of anodized tops btw... A substance called Pro Blend is what I used in the system that kept the corossion at bay.
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08-18-2003, 03:01 PM
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Cooling Savant
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CoolROD, I wouldn't be so sure about submerging the hard drives. Rusty075 at Silentpcreview killed 5 hard drives trying to submerge his entire system in oil before he gave up.
Hard drives don't have a vacuum; they use air to keep the heads from scraping the platters. |
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08-19-2003, 05:00 PM
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Cooling Savant
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All done, new lines and clean water. I think i'll need a new waterblock top though.
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