have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4

lagunacomputer · 09-21-2005, 03:09 PM

Hi guys. I used to work for Quantum when they owned/developed/sold SnapServers.

Currently i have two Snap 4000's, but e one im using is at
Model Software Hardware Server # BIOS
4000 series 3.4.803 (US) 2.2.1 555787 2.4.437

I've upgraded the drives to a total of 346,338 mb (346gb). This is possible (and i have done it and am using it) if there is any question about the 4000 and drive size limits.

I'm looking for the SnapOS 4 software. if anyone can help please send it to me!
lagunacomputer@gmail.com

re3dyb0y · 09-23-2005, 12:15 PM

Can we ask what you did at quantum?

predator2005 · 09-24-2005, 11:48 PM

poodles is the firmware update for the 4000 compatible with the m4100?

You rock!

re3dyb0y · 09-25-2005, 09:09 AM

I believe so...

NoEvil · 11-06-2006, 01:37 PM

I currently work for a university and we just acquired 2x 4100 with 160gigs each. The department we got these from was running *nix with snapOS v3.4.803 and they worked great. Now we are running AD 2003 and I hear that v4 is the only way to go. For some reason v3.4.803 has the option to use domain security groups, but the users in the security group are never authenticated to access the server shares. Also v3.4 doesnt have ssl support which is greatly needed on a public network.

I'm looking for the SnapOS 4 software. if anyone can help please send it!

blue68f100 · 11-06-2006, 03:32 PM

Please read the NOTICE at the top of the forum.

rpmurray · 11-06-2006, 03:46 PM

NoEvil, since you work for a University, you may want to go the legit route and pay for the software from Adaptec. It would be a shame if a software audit by your IT department found some unlicensed software running on your Snaps.

NoEvil · 11-06-2006, 07:19 PM

Sorry about the Post.

Sadly, I would have to prove that these would work in our AD enviroment to warrent a purchase of the new OS. Thus I would have to have a NAS with v4 to test. Then if the new OS passed the security requirements (HIPAA compliance) then the "higher ups" would license the OS.
I am used to dealing with Microsoft, and MSDN where we can test solutions before Licensing them. Previously working with SNAP when Quantum owned them this wasn't a problem.
Does anyone know if local SNAP user passwords are sent over the network in plain txt?
If possible I will firewall these applicances to use them, If not they will become doorstops.

blue68f100 · 11-06-2006, 08:36 PM

They are in the clear unless SSL is turned on. It is controlled with JAVA which on run on snaps with a min of 128meg. Contact Adaptec Sales dept they should be able to tell you the security features of the OS.

Hallis · 11-07-2006, 09:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lagunacomputer

Hi guys. I used to work for Quantum when they owned/developed/sold SnapServers.

Currently i have two Snap 4000's, but e one im using is at
Model Software Hardware Server # BIOS
4000 series 3.4.803 (US) 2.2.1 555787 2.4.437

I've upgraded the drives to a total of 346,338 mb (346gb). This is possible (and i have done it and am using it) if there is any question about the 4000 and drive size limits.

I'm looking for the SnapOS 4 software. if anyone can help please send it to me!
lagunacomputer@gmail.com

You should be able to make it work with 3.4.805. Which, if you still have contacts at the snapserver devision should be able to get you for free.

Shane

blue68f100 · 11-07-2006, 11:38 AM

If he needs AD 2003 it only supported in v4.0.860, v3.4.803 support AD 2k

jontz · 11-07-2006, 04:57 PM

Anyone ever figure out what 3.4.807 does that 3.4.805 doesn't?

NoEvil · 11-07-2006, 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blue68f100

They are in the clear unless SSL is turned on. It is controlled with JAVA which on run on snaps with a min of 128meg. Contact Adaptec Sales dept they should be able to tell you the security features of the OS.

Thx for your help. I have upgraded both to 256mb ram, which I recall is the max 4100 can handle? I also upgrated to Snap extension java back end. Now I have SSL. Also for those who werent aware, the microsoft connector using SMB, does negociate the encryption protocol. Meaning it will use NTLM/NTLMv2. I wasnt sure if it was limited to plain text or LM. Not the most secure, but its better than nothing.
At this point I will not be having end users use these devices so there is no need to go to OS v4 for AD 2k3. Are there are security holes in v3.4.803 that I am unaware of? I plan to eventually add 4x160gig IDEs to one 4100 even though it is limited to 137gigs in raid 1. Has anyone successfully maxed out a 4100 at 4x137gig?

Can the CPU be upgraded?

blue68f100 · 11-07-2006, 05:34 PM

There has been some problems reported with 160's. But not very may persons have tried it.

I'm not the one to ask for security holes. Snap-tech may beable to answer your questions. Of if you have the tools to do your own scanning, it may be the best way.

jontz · 11-07-2006, 06:30 PM

I am not aware of any security holes with .803, and I have gone through my 4100 pretty thoroughly.

I'm not sure about a CPU upgrade, but as a 4100 can totally saturate its 100Mb connection, I am not sure what the advantage would be.

rpmurray · 11-08-2006, 06:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by NoEvil

Has anyone successfully maxed out a 4100 at 4x137gig?

Yes, on two different 705n (4100) servers, and building a RAID5. In both cases I used Seagate 160s, so I can't tell you what might happen with other drive makes. There was someone here that tried Maxtors, and I believe he was having trouble getting them to build a RAID5, although they formatted OK as single drives.

jontz · 11-08-2006, 08:35 PM

I was going to try it with 160GB Seagates, but I got such a screaming good deal on 120's that I never tried...

Hallis · 11-09-2006, 05:09 AM

I'd say stick with 120's just to be safe.

Shane

rpmurray · 11-09-2006, 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hallis

I'd say stick with 120's just to be safe.

Any known problems with using 160s? I've had them in a couple of units for well over a year now and no problems on this end. And you get a few extra GB over using 120s in a 4100.

Hallis · 11-09-2006, 10:51 AM

*shrugs* just seems like a waste of money if you ask me. Unless you can find a nice deal on some 160's,

Shane

jontz · 11-09-2006, 06:34 PM

Hallis,

Actually, if you keep your eyes open the 160's are usually only a couple of dollars more per drive...$8-$10 for an extra 68GB of space doesn't seem that bad to me.

rpmurray,

I can't give you a definite thumbs up, but I can't see why you would have any problems. The snap is just going to treat them as 137GB and go on its merry way. I would have done it too, but like I said I caught a fire sale on 120s at the time. Usually they are about the same price as a 160 anymore though.

09-21-2005, 03:09 PM	#1
lagunacomputer Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: laguna beach, ca Posts: 8	have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 Hi guys. I used to work for Quantum when they owned/developed/sold SnapServers. Currently i have two Snap 4000's, but e one im using is at Model Software Hardware Server # BIOS 4000 series 3.4.803 (US) 2.2.1 555787 2.4.437 I've upgraded the drives to a total of 346,338 mb (346gb). This is possible (and i have done it and am using it) if there is any question about the 4000 and drive size limits. I'm looking for the SnapOS 4 software. if anyone can help please send it to me! lagunacomputer@gmail.com

09-23-2005, 12:15 PM	#2
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predator2005 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: USA Posts: 2	m4100 poodles is the firmware update for the 4000 compatible with the m4100? You rock!

11-06-2006, 01:37 PM	#5
NoEvil Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: arizona Posts: 3	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 I currently work for a university and we just acquired 2x 4100 with 160gigs each. The department we got these from was running nix with snapOS v3.4.803 and they worked great. Now we are running AD 2003 and I hear that v4 is the only way to go. For some reason v3.4.803 has the option to use domain security groups, but the users in the security group are never authenticated to access the server shares. Also v3.4 doesnt have ssl support which is greatly needed on a public network. I'm looking for the SnapOS 4 software. if anyone can help please send it! Last edited by NoEvil; 11-07-2006 at 12:34 PM.*

11-06-2006, 03:32 PM	#6
blue68f100 Thermophile Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 3,135	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 Please read the NOTICE at the top of the forum. __________________ 1 Snap 4500 - 1.0T (4 x 250gig WD2500SB RE), Raid5, 1 Snap 4500 - 1.6T (4 x 400gig Seagates), Raid5, 1 Snap 4200 - 4.0T (4 x 2gig Seagates), Raid5, Using SATA converts from Andy Link to SnapOS FAQ's http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13820

09-25-2005, 09:09 AM	#4
re3dyb0y Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: UK Posts: 909	I believe so...

11-06-2006, 03:46 PM	#7
rpmurray Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Tennessee Posts: 157	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 NoEvil, since you work for a University, you may want to go the legit route and pay for the software from Adaptec. It would be a shame if a software audit by your IT department found some unlicensed software running on your Snaps.

11-06-2006, 07:19 PM	#8
NoEvil Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: arizona Posts: 3	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 Sorry about the Post. Sadly, I would have to prove that these would work in our AD enviroment to warrent a purchase of the new OS. Thus I would have to have a NAS with v4 to test. Then if the new OS passed the security requirements (HIPAA compliance) then the "higher ups" would license the OS. I am used to dealing with Microsoft, and MSDN where we can test solutions before Licensing them. Previously working with SNAP when Quantum owned them this wasn't a problem. Does anyone know if local SNAP user passwords are sent over the network in plain txt? If possible I will firewall these applicances to use them, If not they will become doorstops.

11-06-2006, 08:36 PM	#9
blue68f100 Thermophile Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 3,135	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 They are in the clear unless SSL is turned on. It is controlled with JAVA which on run on snaps with a min of 128meg. Contact Adaptec Sales dept they should be able to tell you the security features of the OS. __________________ 1 Snap 4500 - 1.0T (4 x 250gig WD2500SB RE), Raid5, 1 Snap 4500 - 1.6T (4 x 400gig Seagates), Raid5, 1 Snap 4200 - 4.0T (4 x 2gig Seagates), Raid5, Using SATA converts from Andy Link to SnapOS FAQ's http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13820

11-07-2006, 11:38 AM	#11
blue68f100 Thermophile Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 3,135	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 If he needs AD 2003 it only supported in v4.0.860, v3.4.803 support AD 2k __________________ 1 Snap 4500 - 1.0T (4 x 250gig WD2500SB RE), Raid5, 1 Snap 4500 - 1.6T (4 x 400gig Seagates), Raid5, 1 Snap 4200 - 4.0T (4 x 2gig Seagates), Raid5, Using SATA converts from Andy Link to SnapOS FAQ's http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13820

11-07-2006, 04:57 PM	#12
jontz Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 385	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 Anyone ever figure out what 3.4.807 does that 3.4.805 doesn't? __________________ Snap Server 4100, 4x120GB Seagate Drives, RAID 5, version 3.4.803

11-07-2006, 05:34 PM	#14
blue68f100 Thermophile Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Plano, TX Posts: 3,135	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 There has been some problems reported with 160's. But not very may persons have tried it. I'm not the one to ask for security holes. Snap-tech may beable to answer your questions. Of if you have the tools to do your own scanning, it may be the best way. __________________ 1 Snap 4500 - 1.0T (4 x 250gig WD2500SB RE), Raid5, 1 Snap 4500 - 1.6T (4 x 400gig Seagates), Raid5, 1 Snap 4200 - 4.0T (4 x 2gig Seagates), Raid5, Using SATA converts from Andy Link to SnapOS FAQ's http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=13820

11-07-2006, 06:30 PM	#15
jontz Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 385	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 I am not aware of any security holes with .803, and I have gone through my 4100 pretty thoroughly. I'm not sure about a CPU upgrade, but as a 4100 can totally saturate its 100Mb connection, I am not sure what the advantage would be. __________________ Snap Server 4100, 4x120GB Seagate Drives, RAID 5, version 3.4.803

11-08-2006, 08:35 PM	#17
jontz Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 385	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 I was going to try it with 160GB Seagates, but I got such a screaming good deal on 120's that I never tried... __________________ Snap Server 4100, 4x120GB Seagate Drives, RAID 5, version 3.4.803

11-09-2006, 05:09 AM	#18
Hallis Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 469	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 I'd say stick with 120's just to be safe. Shane __________________ Snap Servers: 1100 - 1x300gb Seagate Baracuda (SnapOS Version 3.4.807) 2200 - 2x80gb Maxtor (one dead) (SnapOS 4.0.860)

11-09-2006, 10:51 AM	#20
Hallis Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Dallas, Tx Posts: 469	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 shrugs just seems like a waste of money if you ask me. Unless you can find a nice deal on some 160's, Shane __________________ Snap Servers: 1100 - 1x300gb Seagate Baracuda (SnapOS Version 3.4.807) 2200 - 2x80gb Maxtor (one dead) (SnapOS 4.0.860)

11-09-2006, 06:34 PM	#21
jontz Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: South Bend, IN Posts: 385	Re: have snap 4000 w/346gb need os4 Hallis, Actually, if you keep your eyes open the 160's are usually only a couple of dollars more per drive...$8-$10 for an extra 68GB of space doesn't seem that bad to me. rpmurray, I can't give you a definite thumbs up, but I can't see why you would have any problems. The snap is just going to treat them as 137GB and go on its merry way. I would have done it too, but like I said I caught a fire sale on 120s at the time. Usually they are about the same price as a 160 anymore though. __________________ Snap Server 4100, 4x120GB Seagate Drives, RAID 5, version 3.4.803

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