Hayden 676...What'd you think?

Euphoric Green · 07-25-2001, 11:51 PM

Trying to get together a watercooling setup, and have been considering a number of radiators. I first looked at the Danger Den Cube, and the BeCool cube, but I don't know if I like the cube style, it seems as though it would be difficult to mount outside, which if I understand correctly, is the most effiecient way to release the heat.

I know this radiator was featured in one of cases created under the article section, but I would like some more feedback on it.

Is anyone out there using it? and how does it perform in comparison to Cubes?

Thanks, by the way, I'm new to this forum, but I've been reading it for a few weeks now.

Euphoric Green · 07-26-2001, 01:42 PM

Anyone? Anyone?

krp · 07-26-2001, 02:34 PM

The Hayden 676 is a bit too narrow for two 120mm fans, maybe ok for two or three 90mm fans. its made of aluminum, so with a copper waterblock you'd be liable for battery effect corrosion, albeit could reduce that by liberal dosing with Redline "water wetter" etc.

The Hayden 676 has 3/8-inch hose barbs, but does not restrict flow at all. The side flanges make it relatively easy to mount.

Euphoric Green · 07-26-2001, 03:03 PM

Would you say it compares favorably to the cube style coolers?

WaterPog · 07-26-2001, 03:36 PM

Another drawback of the cube style radiators is the thickness. As the radiator gets thicker it gets harder to push the air through them, but they have more surface area than a similarly sized thin radiator. Problem is that we are very air-flow limited in most cases, and when the pressure drop accross the cooler core goes up the airflow goes down. So you will eventually reach a point of diminishing returns by makning the cooler thicker. I would try to stick to a large flat radiator whenever possible, that way you can use a thin radiator...get lots of air flow per fan, and use more fans to boot. Something like a B&M stacked plate transmission cooler where you would have low coolant flow loss due to the multuple flow paths, and low air flow loss due to the thin open construction. These radiators can work with either 2 120mm fans or 3 92 mm fans depending on radiator size and mounting.

I plan on mounting one of these on the top of my case, with the fans mounted in the case to the bottom of the top skin. I will be using the top 2 5.25" drive bays to duct air to the fans, which will be pointed straight up into the radiator. I will also be using AC 110V fans and pump to reduce load on the PC power supply which will be setup on a relay to turn on with the PC. I have plans later for a system which will vary fan speed based on coolant temp, but may never use it.

Hope this helps....

Eric

futRtrubL · 07-26-2001, 11:32 PM

Do you have dimensions for that rad, or somewhere I can get them? Still looking for the perfect rad ;'] Pity about it being Al though.

Edward

Euphoric Green · 07-27-2001, 01:01 AM

Try www.bulkparts.com or www.delta-transparts.com they have a wide selection of the Hayden transmission coolers.

However...back to my original post...can someone give me some predictions, or straight facts, as to how this would compare to a dangerden cube? or aquastealth cube? I'll be using the 1250 Eheim, which is rated at just over 310 gph.

Thanks

Amy · 07-27-2001, 11:47 PM

Hi
Try Hayden 677 - just right for two 120 MM fans

Cheers Amy

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Where is the box - One minute
667 3/4" x 5 7/8 x 11
677 3/4" x 7 1/2 x 11
678 3/4" x 9 3/4 x 11
679 3/4" x 11 3/8" x 11"

LanceCar · 07-28-2001, 02:51 AM

Does anyone know if the radiator shown above. Would work if the air flow was to flow across it?

Lord Smack · 07-28-2001, 11:43 PM

I have a 676( actualy the hayden part number is 1676) and I love it. I have 3 80mm fans on mine they fit so well you can't tell there is a rad under them. It's mounted to the top of my case and keeps my cpu to under 37*c in a full load. Also to stop the battery efect mix water like this 85% distilled water/15% antifreze or 90% distilled water/10% water wetter.

WaterPog · 07-29-2001, 11:03 AM

Just checking but this is an aluminum radiator correct? I have never seen a copper stacked plate radiator but just wanted to make sure.

sunblade · 07-29-2001, 11:28 AM

Well, you could buy an aluminum waterblock. Over at the [H]ard|FORUMS, Fixitt made some nice aluminum spiral blocks:

You would need a case window just to show off your hydro setup.

hmorgoth · 08-02-2001, 02:30 PM

Overclock water cool have a 12x5" rad there and it looks to be made of copper
perfect for 2 120mm fans
GOOD LUCK

WaterPog · 08-03-2001, 12:06 AM

Read the post, I was the one who first suggested the aluminum/acrylic block to Fixitt, I want an aluminum radiator to go with the block for looks. On the other hand I may just buy a water cooler from Costco and get the copper version of the spiral block....can't decide to spend the $40 on the Rad+$40 for the Pelt or just get the damn cooler....

mpfos · 08-03-2001, 03:13 PM

WaterPog

hat kind of water cooler are you talkin about?

WaterPog · 08-03-2001, 06:46 PM

it is a cooler for bottled water, like you would use in an office....got the idea from here:

chilled water

I can get the chiller for $110, and then setup similar to what he has done. Or there is a guy on the [H]ard forums who has reverse engineered the Vapochill and is doing some exparimentation with that, he plans to release the plans in the next couple of weeks on how to make one...my father-in-law is an HVAC guy so it sould be easy for me to do once I have a map.

Too many options, all very close in price...

Euphoric Green · 08-05-2001, 10:19 PM

Alright, well I think I'm gonna go the way of the 677, however,I just wanna make sure that this radiator is gonna have performance on par with the likes of a d-tek heater core, or big momma. If someone could assure me of this, then I'll click the order button. Thanks again- You've all been helpful

ondaedg · 08-07-2001, 01:11 AM

whoever said the hayden 676 is too narrow for two 120mm fans, I don't understand why you would say this. I have two 120mm fans on one and they fit it perfectly. The fans are only about a half inch wider which shouldn't hurt performance at all. The problem with the 677 is that it will not fit alot of cases due to its wide width while the 676 fits perfectly.

Fixittt · 08-13-2001, 10:46 AM

Man, I just love seeing my hobby floating around, thanks guys.
WaterPoG you have been a great help

07-25-2001, 11:51 PM	#1
Euphoric Green Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 13	Hayden 676...What'd you think? Trying to get together a watercooling setup, and have been considering a number of radiators. I first looked at the Danger Den Cube, and the BeCool cube, but I don't know if I like the cube style, it seems as though it would be difficult to mount outside, which if I understand correctly, is the most effiecient way to release the heat. I know this radiator was featured in one of cases created under the article section, but I would like some more feedback on it. Is anyone out there using it? and how does it perform in comparison to Cubes? Thanks, by the way, I'm new to this forum, but I've been reading it for a few weeks now. __________________ Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women.

07-26-2001, 01:42 PM	#2
Euphoric Green Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 13	Anyone? Anyone? __________________ Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women.

07-26-2001, 02:34 PM	#3
krp Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Gainesville, FL, USA Posts: 32	The Hayden 676 is a bit too narrow for two 120mm fans, maybe ok for two or three 90mm fans. its made of aluminum, so with a copper waterblock you'd be liable for battery effect corrosion, albeit could reduce that by liberal dosing with Redline "water wetter" etc. The Hayden 676 has 3/8-inch hose barbs, but does not restrict flow at all. The side flanges make it relatively easy to mount. __________________ chilling out in the swamp... (#1) Athlon XP@1.667gHz, watercooled: (DD Maze2 new revision, Eheim 1250, BlackiceXtreme), in modded Supermicro SC750 fulltower case. (#2) Athlon TB@1.4gHz, watercooled: (DD Maze2 orig revison, CaseEtc resepump, Blackice), in modded LiteOn FS020 midtower case.

07-26-2001, 03:03 PM	#4
Euphoric Green Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 13	Would you say it compares favorably to the cube style coolers? __________________ Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women.

07-26-2001, 03:36 PM	#5
WaterPog Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 50	Another drawback of the cube style radiators is the thickness. As the radiator gets thicker it gets harder to push the air through them, but they have more surface area than a similarly sized thin radiator. Problem is that we are very air-flow limited in most cases, and when the pressure drop accross the cooler core goes up the airflow goes down. So you will eventually reach a point of diminishing returns by makning the cooler thicker. I would try to stick to a large flat radiator whenever possible, that way you can use a thin radiator...get lots of air flow per fan, and use more fans to boot. Something like a B&M stacked plate transmission cooler where you would have low coolant flow loss due to the multuple flow paths, and low air flow loss due to the thin open construction. These radiators can work with either 2 120mm fans or 3 92 mm fans depending on radiator size and mounting. I plan on mounting one of these on the top of my case, with the fans mounted in the case to the bottom of the top skin. I will be using the top 2 5.25" drive bays to duct air to the fans, which will be pointed straight up into the radiator. I will also be using AC 110V fans and pump to reduce load on the PC power supply which will be setup on a relay to turn on with the PC. I have plans later for a system which will vary fan speed based on coolant temp, but may never use it. Hope this helps.... Eric __________________ 1.4G AHYJA-Y @ 1.6G with H2O system. Ehime 1060, LiquidCool leviathan, Spir@l Block, all 1/2" It will post at 1725, that is where I want it to be stable....

07-26-2001, 11:32 PM	#6
futRtrubL Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Kingston, Jamaica Posts: 204	Do you have dimensions for that rad, or somewhere I can get them? Still looking for the perfect rad ;'] Pity about it being Al though. Edward

07-27-2001, 01:01 AM	#7
Euphoric Green Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 13	Try www.bulkparts.com or www.delta-transparts.com they have a wide selection of the Hayden transmission coolers. However...back to my original post...can someone give me some predictions, or straight facts, as to how this would compare to a dangerden cube? or aquastealth cube? I'll be using the 1250 Eheim, which is rated at just over 310 gph. Thanks __________________ Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women.

07-27-2001, 11:47 PM	#8
Amy Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: So Calif Posts: 44	Hi Try Hayden 677 - just right for two 120 MM fans Cheers Amy - Where is the box - One minute 667 3/4" x 5 7/8 x 11 677 3/4" x 7 1/2 x 11 678 3/4" x 9 3/4 x 11 679 3/4" x 11 3/8" x 11" __________________ VP6 Dual PIII-750E@1028 Muskin HSDRAM

07-28-2001, 02:51 AM	#9
LanceCar Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Bothell,WA Posts: 2	Does anyone know if the radiator shown above. Would work if the air flow was to flow across it? __________________ -------------- "Me lose brain... That's not good. doh!" LanceCar

07-28-2001, 11:43 PM	#10
Lord Smack Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2001 Posts: 33	I have a 676( actualy the hayden part number is 1676) and I love it. I have 3 80mm fans on mine they fit so well you can't tell there is a rad under them. It's mounted to the top of my case and keeps my cpu to under 37*c in a full load. Also to stop the battery efect mix water like this 85% distilled water/15% antifreze or 90% distilled water/10% water wetter.

07-29-2001, 11:03 AM	#11
WaterPog Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 50	Just checking but this is an aluminum radiator correct? I have never seen a copper stacked plate radiator but just wanted to make sure. __________________ 1.4G AHYJA-Y @ 1.6G with H2O system. Ehime 1060, LiquidCool leviathan, Spir@l Block, all 1/2" It will post at 1725, that is where I want it to be stable....

07-29-2001, 11:28 AM	#12
sunblade Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: USA Posts: 156	Well, you could buy an aluminum waterblock. Over at the [H]ard\|FORUMS, Fixitt made some nice aluminum spiral blocks: You would need a case window just to show off your hydro setup.

08-02-2001, 02:30 PM	#13
hmorgoth Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: UK Posts: 55	Overclock water cool have a 12x5" rad there and it looks to be made of copper perfect for 2 120mm fans GOOD LUCK __________________ Time to make my own case. Its cheaper

08-03-2001, 12:06 AM	#14
WaterPog Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 50	Read the post, I was the one who first suggested the aluminum/acrylic block to Fixitt, I want an aluminum radiator to go with the block for looks. On the other hand I may just buy a water cooler from Costco and get the copper version of the spiral block....can't decide to spend the $40 on the Rad+$40 for the Pelt or just get the damn cooler.... __________________ 1.4G AHYJA-Y @ 1.6G with H2O system. Ehime 1060, LiquidCool leviathan, Spir@l Block, all 1/2" It will post at 1725, that is where I want it to be stable....

08-03-2001, 03:13 PM	#15
mpfos Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 29	WaterPog hat kind of water cooler are you talkin about?

08-03-2001, 06:46 PM	#16
WaterPog Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 50	it is a cooler for bottled water, like you would use in an office....got the idea from here: chilled water I can get the chiller for $110, and then setup similar to what he has done. Or there is a guy on the [H]ard forums who has reverse engineered the Vapochill and is doing some exparimentation with that, he plans to release the plans in the next couple of weeks on how to make one...my father-in-law is an HVAC guy so it sould be easy for me to do once I have a map. Too many options, all very close in price... __________________ 1.4G AHYJA-Y @ 1.6G with H2O system. Ehime 1060, LiquidCool leviathan, Spir@l Block, all 1/2" It will post at 1725, that is where I want it to be stable....

08-05-2001, 10:19 PM	#17
Euphoric Green Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 13	Alright, well I think I'm gonna go the way of the 677, however,I just wanna make sure that this radiator is gonna have performance on par with the likes of a d-tek heater core, or big momma. If someone could assure me of this, then I'll click the order button. Thanks again- You've all been helpful __________________ Here's to swimmin' with bow-legged women.

08-07-2001, 01:11 AM	#18
ondaedg Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 130	whoever said the hayden 676 is too narrow for two 120mm fans, I don't understand why you would say this. I have two 120mm fans on one and they fit it perfectly. The fans are only about a half inch wider which shouldn't hurt performance at all. The problem with the 677 is that it will not fit alot of cases due to its wide width while the 676 fits perfectly. __________________ ondaedg@procooling.com

08-13-2001, 10:46 AM	#19
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Man, I just love seeing my hobby floating around, thanks guys. WaterPoG you have been a great help __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

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