White Water

NiKnight · 07-17-2003, 09:57 AM

How much of a diffrence in temps am i going to get with this block against, say a maze 3 or 4. Im wondering if its really worth almost twice the price of the later.

nOv1c3 · 07-17-2003, 10:05 AM

I heard any where from 1 to 4 C :/

I think all the top blocks are close to one another and in the temp range we are running with water i,m not convince 1 to 4 C is going to help you OC a cpu anymore

NiKnight · 07-17-2003, 10:10 AM

Yea I agree, i think the money would be better spent on a bigger rad or something to that nature. Looks like ill be going with the maze 4.

Skeptic · 07-17-2003, 10:17 AM

Did you read any of the 5 pages on the Maze 4 review?

I am guessing not if you are still considering buying the Maze 4. Read the posts and then make a decision, but in everyone's tests so far, the Maze 4 is worse than the Maze 3.

nikhsub1 · 07-17-2003, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by nOv1c3
I heard any where from 1 to 4 C :/

NO. More like 4-6C.

nOv1c3 · 07-17-2003, 11:16 AM

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Originally posted by nikhsub1
NO. More like 4-6C.

NO .I dont think its that much

bigben2k · 07-17-2003, 11:30 AM

It really depends on the power coming from the CPU, but 4 to 6 is a good estimate.

NiKnight · 07-17-2003, 12:11 PM

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Originally posted by nikhsub1
NO. More like 4-6C.

What kind of temps are you getting. Havnt seen many p4's on water.

nikhsub1 · 07-17-2003, 12:30 PM

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Originally posted by nOv1c3
NO .I dont think its that much

Think about it all you want but it won't make it so.

NiKnight · 07-17-2003, 12:40 PM

What kind of temps are you getting. Havnt seen many p4's on water.

??

nikhsub1 · 07-17-2003, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by NiKnight
What kind of temps are you getting. Havnt seen many p4's on water.

??

Well, there are lots of P4's on water nowadays, especially with everyone defecting the the 800Mhz FSB goodness. My temps (as do everyones) really depend on ambient temps. Plus, The Abit IC7 reads a bit high, or so everyone says. My temps are right around 15-16C above ambient temps. Right this moment it is Africa hot and humid here is Los Angeles, ambient in this room is 33C (just walked in and turned the AC on

) and my load temps is 48C. Now with a more reasonable ambient, say 25C my load temp is around 39-40C or so. Keep in mind this is a P4 at 1.675V running at 3.6Ghz.

Althornin · 07-17-2003, 04:14 PM

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Originally posted by nOv1c3
I heard any where from 1 to 4 C :/

I think all the top blocks are close to one another and in the temp range we are running with water i,m not convince 1 to 4 C is going to help you OC a cpu anymore

you heard wrong, and you think wrong too.

nOv1c3 · 07-17-2003, 08:46 PM

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Originally posted by Althornin
you heard wrong, and you think wrong too.

Not at all

Skeptic · 07-17-2003, 09:24 PM

Stop the freaking pissing contest already with the one-liners, grow up, and answer the question with some facts.

All you are doing is posting meaningless drivel. Provide some info please.

NiKnight · 07-17-2003, 09:40 PM

How about you all just stop arguing about something like that. A forum is to gather ideas from more than one person, not for just flaming someone for posting thier oppinion. Just let people have there own oppinions.

bigben2k · 07-18-2003, 07:28 AM

Ok.

http://www.overclockers.com/articles373/

Now the best block, which is WW, is rated at 0.19 C/W @ 1gpm.

The block that resembles the Maze3 the most, would have to be the Swiftech5000, and I'm being really generous here! It's rated at 0.23 C/W.

So for an 80 Watt source:
1- 80 * 0.19 = 15.2 degrees

2- 80 * 0.23 = 18.4 degrees

So we've got a 3 deg C difference.

To be more fair, I'll include the calcs for the Tsunami, which most of us know, performs better than a Maze3.

3- 80 * 0.25 = 20 deg, for a difference of 5 degrees.

These figures are for the block only, with a flow rate of 1 gpm, and a fully running, and a bit overclocked CPU, emitting 80 Watts.

nOv1c3 · 07-18-2003, 04:57 PM

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Originally posted by Skeptic
Stop the freaking pissing contest already with the one-liners, grow up, and answer the question with some facts.

All you are doing is posting meaningless drivel. Provide some info please.

who the f#ck you talking to ?? You Little Bitch :/

All the info you need is all over the net look it up ...

Skeptic · 07-18-2003, 05:19 PM

Great response. A real class act.

Re-read the thread, and maybe you will figure it out on your own if you can ever see past your little ego.

Althornin · 07-18-2003, 07:45 PM

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Originally posted by nOv1c3
who the f#ck you talking to ?? You Little Bitch :/

All the info you need is all over the net look it up ...

Ummmm..
BB2K just posted the evidence he asked for.
I am quite sure my one liner post to you was part of the problem, not part of the solution, and its my bad that i was too lazy to go get the hard data like ben did.
But, now that its posted, the FACTS are known, and you are shown to be wrong.

I hardly feel callng names is acceptable though, and i hope that now that you are confronted with evidence, you'll realize that you are in fact incorrect.

If you read enough threads on the subject, you'll also find that people who switched to a WW found (often) a small but noticeable OC gain as well.

07-17-2003, 09:57 AM	#1
NiKnight Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: tokyo Posts: 30	White Water How much of a diffrence in temps am i going to get with this block against, say a maze 3 or 4. Im wondering if its really worth almost twice the price of the later.

07-17-2003, 11:30 AM	#7
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	It really depends on the power coming from the CPU, but 4 to 6 is a good estimate. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-18-2003, 07:28 AM	#16
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Ok. http://www.overclockers.com/articles373/ Now the best block, which is WW, is rated at 0.19 C/W @ 1gpm. The block that resembles the Maze3 the most, would have to be the Swiftech5000, and I'm being really generous here! It's rated at 0.23 C/W. So for an 80 Watt source: 1- 80 * 0.19 = 15.2 degrees 2- 80 * 0.23 = 18.4 degrees So we've got a 3 deg C difference. To be more fair, I'll include the calcs for the Tsunami, which most of us know, performs better than a Maze3. 3- 80 * 0.25 = 20 deg, for a difference of 5 degrees. These figures are for the block only, with a flow rate of 1 gpm, and a fully running, and a bit overclocked CPU, emitting 80 Watts. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

07-17-2003, 10:05 AM	#2
nOv1c3 Crazy Stupid Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Dallas texas Posts: 149	I heard any where from 1 to 4 C :/ I think all the top blocks are close to one another and in the temp range we are running with water i,m not convince 1 to 4 C is going to help you OC a cpu anymore

07-17-2003, 10:10 AM	#3
NiKnight Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: tokyo Posts: 30	Yea I agree, i think the money would be better spent on a bigger rad or something to that nature. Looks like ill be going with the maze 4.

07-17-2003, 10:17 AM	#4
Skeptic Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Washington Posts: 48	Did you read any of the 5 pages on the Maze 4 review? I am guessing not if you are still considering buying the Maze 4. Read the posts and then make a decision, but in everyone's tests so far, the Maze 4 is worse than the Maze 3.

07-17-2003, 12:40 PM	#10
NiKnight Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: tokyo Posts: 30	What kind of temps are you getting. Havnt seen many p4's on water. ??

07-17-2003, 09:24 PM	#14
Skeptic Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Washington Posts: 48	Stop the freaking pissing contest already with the one-liners, grow up, and answer the question with some facts. All you are doing is posting meaningless drivel. Provide some info please.

07-17-2003, 09:40 PM	#15
NiKnight Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: tokyo Posts: 30	How about you all just stop arguing about something like that. A forum is to gather ideas from more than one person, not for just flaming someone for posting thier oppinion. Just let people have there own oppinions.

07-18-2003, 05:19 PM	#18
Skeptic Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Washington Posts: 48	Great response. A real class act. Re-read the thread, and maybe you will figure it out on your own if you can ever see past your little ego.

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