MadShrimps Review the CoolCases CF-1 block

Cathar · 03-25-2004, 06:16 AM

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=157

Interesting commentary...

pauldenton · 03-25-2004, 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cathar

http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=157

Interesting commentary...

eek Cathar - your turbulence has stagnated!

jaydee · 03-25-2004, 09:14 AM

If your reading this Liquid3D, you got a hell of a lot of work to do before you put these so called reviews on the net. Definatly have a lot more research to do in the history of water blocks and how to test them to get usefull results. Also the ideal spot for a test bench is not on the floor by your window.

Inovative? I am not even going to get started on that one.

jmke · 03-25-2004, 09:39 AM

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Cathar · 03-25-2004, 05:44 PM

I just wasn't sure that I understood where the Cascade references came from. The block wasn't compared against a Cascade, so how can any statements/theories be put forward as to why the CF-1 will be superior? Isn't that all just conjecture? If it's just conjecture, then what is it doing in a review that's meant to be dealing with facts?

Liquid3D · 05-10-2004, 05:35 PM

I agree my reviewing techniques have a long way to go. My references to the Cascade are compliment, as it's considered the standard by which most others are judged. Objectivity is almost impossible to acheive, as we are subjective by nature. Just as you may be unconsciously biased towards Stew, I never purported to performing the review under laboratory conditions. So long as I describe the envrionmental conditions, which I'm testing under then I'm not misleading anyone. My comparisons's between the Casacde design and the CF1 design are hypothetical, and therefore by definition conjecture.

Often Reviewer's go into a review with bias, and rely on the data to prove or disprove any conjectture. But what seperates sterility, from an engaging read is often the reviewer's opinion.

In so far as the hardware being on the floor, the height of the test bench is about as relative as the difference in ambeint temperature between one laboratory to the next.

Thank you for the constructive criticsm. I've been writing manufacturers in attempt to find the proper test hardware. I would be very grateful for any donations, or further suggestions. However, so long as this is a free country, I'm going to continue to write.

jmke · 05-10-2004, 05:42 PM

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AngryAlpaca · 05-10-2004, 06:01 PM

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Objectivity is almost impossible to acheive, as we are subjective by nature. Just as you may be unconsciously biased towards Stew, I never purported to performing the review under laboratory conditions.

It's easy to get an unbiased review, and if you'd put the same effort into making a decent test bed as you do writing poor quality reviews, you could be putting out some high quality stuff by now. Get a decent temperature sensor to start. In that review you used a thermistor that YOU tested at +/-2C. It also didn't have markings between the numbers, so you made estimates, and those could've been wrong by a fairly long shot. You also compared it to nothing. You may have done multiple mounts, but I cannot tell for sure. Where was the thermistor?

pHaestus · 05-10-2004, 06:01 PM

Why would you guys want to dig up this old thread? Advice? Avoid testing wbs

Joe · 05-11-2004, 03:24 PM

well since they are still posting in here, might as well voice my .02$

Since you guys failed to remove joe@procooling.com from your spam list for your articles I have added that source address to the spam blacklist on the server. or spa[m] as it may be.

BillA · 05-11-2004, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe

well since they are still posting in here, might as well voice my .02$

Since you guys failed to remove joe@procooling.com from your spam list for your articles I have added that source address to the spam blacklist on the server. or spa[m] as it may be.

aw Joe, don't ya know that a dose of spam keeps your fur shiny ?
does so for my cat anyway

jmke · 05-11-2004, 04:01 PM

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killernoodle · 05-11-2004, 04:07 PM

Hey guys, lets stop the bickering... it gets everyone nowhere.

jmke · 05-11-2004, 04:14 PM

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Joe · 05-11-2004, 05:01 PM

Umm No, I only blacklisted sites that I recieved email from after I asked to be removed. I hunted to find the email but I did delete it since I black listed the email source domain. I can open it again for you guys if your sure I am not on the list anymore. Theres a good few sites that ignored the email's asking for spam to stop so I have just taken matters into my own hands. I just have had enough of every fly by night website slamming my mailbox with a few hundred things I dont care about.

Public forum or not, its still my forum

hehe

jmke · 05-11-2004, 06:05 PM

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MadHacker · 05-11-2004, 06:12 PM

I get lots of spam... my network administrator doesn't know how to set up a spam filter...
anywyas sometime i get the chance to remove myself from the spamer's mailing list...
but anytime i do it states it will take 24-48 hours to update the database...
Joe.. did you wait that long before putting him on your spam list...
jmke does your site state that it will take 24-48 hours to update said mailing list?

I aggree with killernoodle... stop bickering...
I like to think we are adults here...
but sometimes I wonder...

as for jmke's review...
one sugestion .. only list facts...
don't assume.. when you assume you make an ass out of you and ......

my 2¢

jmke · 05-11-2004, 06:14 PM

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Joe · 05-11-2004, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmke

I removed you directly from the list after you asked me by email; that's all I can say.
don't like being called a "spammer", especially when it is not the case since I removed your email address directly after your first email asking to be removed... :/

Funny I never remember being asked to have my email added to your list in the first place

(thats what News@ emails are for).

MadHacker · 05-11-2004, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jmke

my review?

It's Liquid3D's :-)

shows how much I pay attention to who writes what when it isn't an accredited review...
what makes it accrdited?
when the messagboard here doesn't tare the review to shreds... but we learn from our mistakes...
hopefully Liquid3D's next review will be better...

Joe · 05-11-2004, 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MadHacker

Joe.. did you wait that long before putting him on your spam list...

I wait until I recieve an email after the request was sent. Its pretty much an automated process for the most part.

pHaestus · 05-11-2004, 06:37 PM

haha you got owned Joe

Joe · 05-11-2004, 06:44 PM

Bitch, go back in your hole and stay there!

hehe

BillA · 05-11-2004, 06:48 PM

goddamn
full moon tonight ?

pHaestus · 05-11-2004, 07:06 PM

must be. The interesting tidbit I learned from this thread is "Procooling has a news@ account"

03-25-2004, 06:16 AM	#1
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	MadShrimps Review the CoolCases CF-1 block http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&articID=157 Interesting commentary...

03-25-2004, 09:39 AM	#4
jmke Foo's Been Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 52	****** * Last edited by jmke; 06-05-2004 at 08:45 AM.

05-10-2004, 05:35 PM	#6
Liquid3D I am such a ****tard. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Newport, RI USA Posts: 12	I agree my reviewing techniques have a long way to go. My references to the Cascade are compliment, as it's considered the standard by which most others are judged. Objectivity is almost impossible to acheive, as we are subjective by nature. Just as you may be unconsciously biased towards Stew, I never purported to performing the review under laboratory conditions. So long as I describe the envrionmental conditions, which I'm testing under then I'm not misleading anyone. My comparisons's between the Casacde design and the CF1 design are hypothetical, and therefore by definition conjecture. Often Reviewer's go into a review with bias, and rely on the data to prove or disprove any conjectture. But what seperates sterility, from an engaging read is often the reviewer's opinion. In so far as the hardware being on the floor, the height of the test bench is about as relative as the difference in ambeint temperature between one laboratory to the next. Thank you for the constructive criticsm. I've been writing manufacturers in attempt to find the proper test hardware. I would be very grateful for any donations, or further suggestions. However, so long as this is a free country, I'm going to continue to write. Last edited by Liquid3D; 05-10-2004 at 05:58 PM.

05-10-2004, 05:42 PM	#7
jmke Foo's Been Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 52	****** * Last edited by jmke; 06-05-2004 at 08:46 AM.

05-10-2004, 06:01 PM	#9
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Why would you guys want to dig up this old thread? Advice? Avoid testing wbs __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

03-25-2004, 09:14 AM	#3
jaydee Put up or Shut Up Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Spokane WA Posts: 6,506	If your reading this Liquid3D, you got a hell of a lot of work to do before you put these so called reviews on the net. Definatly have a lot more research to do in the history of water blocks and how to test them to get usefull results. Also the ideal spot for a test bench is not on the floor by your window. Inovative? I am not even going to get started on that one.

03-25-2004, 05:44 PM	#5
Cathar Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,538	I just wasn't sure that I understood where the Cascade references came from. The block wasn't compared against a Cascade, so how can any statements/theories be put forward as to why the CF-1 will be superior? Isn't that all just conjecture? If it's just conjecture, then what is it doing in a review that's meant to be dealing with facts?

05-11-2004, 03:24 PM	#10
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	well since they are still posting in here, might as well voice my .02$ Since you guys failed to remove joe@procooling.com from your spam list for your articles I have added that source address to the spam blacklist on the server. or spa[m] as it may be. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

05-11-2004, 04:01 PM	#12
jmke Foo's Been Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 52	****** * Last edited by jmke; 06-05-2004 at 08:46 AM.

05-11-2004, 04:07 PM	#13
killernoodle Thermophile Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 1,014	Hey guys, lets stop the bickering... it gets everyone nowhere. __________________ I have a nice computer.

05-11-2004, 04:14 PM	#14
jmke Foo's Been Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 52	****** * Last edited by jmke; 06-05-2004 at 08:46 AM.

05-11-2004, 05:01 PM	#15
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Umm No, I only blacklisted sites that I recieved email from after I asked to be removed. I hunted to find the email but I did delete it since I black listed the email source domain. I can open it again for you guys if your sure I am not on the list anymore. Theres a good few sites that ignored the email's asking for spam to stop so I have just taken matters into my own hands. I just have had enough of every fly by night website slamming my mailbox with a few hundred things I dont care about. Public forum or not, its still my forum hehe __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

05-11-2004, 06:05 PM	#16
jmke Foo's Been Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 52	****** * Last edited by jmke; 06-05-2004 at 08:47 AM.

05-11-2004, 06:12 PM	#17
MadHacker Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: Okotoks, A.B. Canada Posts: 726	I get lots of spam... my network administrator doesn't know how to set up a spam filter... anywyas sometime i get the chance to remove myself from the spamer's mailing list... but anytime i do it states it will take 24-48 hours to update the database... Joe.. did you wait that long before putting him on your spam list... jmke does your site state that it will take 24-48 hours to update said mailing list? I aggree with killernoodle... stop bickering... I like to think we are adults here... but sometimes I wonder... as for jmke's review... one sugestion .. only list facts... don't assume.. when you assume you make an ass out of you and ...... my 2¢ __________________ "Great spirits have always encountered violent opposition from mediocre minds" - (Einstein)

05-11-2004, 06:14 PM	#18
jmke Foo's Been Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 52	****** * Last edited by jmke; 06-05-2004 at 08:47 AM.

05-11-2004, 06:37 PM	#22
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	haha you got owned Joe __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

05-11-2004, 06:44 PM	#23
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	Bitch, go back in your hole and stay there! hehe __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

05-11-2004, 06:48 PM	#24
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	goddamn full moon tonight ?

05-11-2004, 07:06 PM	#25
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	must be. The interesting tidbit I learned from this thread is "Procooling has a news@ account" __________________ Getting paid like a biker with the best crank... -MF DOOM

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