Did your silicone tubing absorb the water wetter in your system ?

Pyrotechnic · 04-09-2002, 12:20 AM

i'm having a hard time choosing what tubing to buy. who has silicone tubing, did it absorb all the water wetter or what ever additive you had in your coolant ?

BillA · 04-09-2002, 12:29 AM

it absorbed much of the color

but it still inhibits corrosion
and it still is an algaecide
which are the reasons for which I use it
(3.5gal system changed every 6 months)

Pyrotechnic · 04-09-2002, 12:33 AM

how much water wetter did you add per gallon ?

BillA · 04-09-2002, 12:42 AM

per inst on the bottle

ondaedg · 04-09-2002, 02:52 AM

you don't even need to poll people. Silicon tubing will absorb water wetter everytime. Makes your hoses a nice pink color =]

Kevin · 04-09-2002, 07:00 AM

For the record, Todd DOES prefer his hose pink. He says it accentuates his pretty dress...

-Kev

Cyco-Dude · 04-09-2002, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by ondaedg
you don't even need to poll people. Silicon tubing will absorb water wetter everytime. Makes your hoses a nice pink color =]

...will absorb the water wetter, or just the coloring? this topic has been brought up befor. i believe vinyl tubing will do the same thing. maybe tygon wont; we need more long-term testing done. if you are looking for tubing, the tygon tubing Zoson bought would be good to get (at least thats what id get if i needed tubing now).

decodeddiesel · 04-09-2002, 10:42 AM

I have noticed that when I use the proper ammount of Water Wetter (ie a very small concentration) the silisone does not absorb it into the walls. However when I first started water cooling and used too much I got some perdy pink tubing in my system. Also I have noted Dye-Lite does not seem to be absorbed, even in too large a concentration.

Techguy · 04-09-2002, 02:38 PM

I'm thinking bout getting tygon, it's not THAT expensive.
the most I can see using would be $10 feet..

be sure to get the thick wall..
some1 in pro chat was selling the thickwalled stuff yesterday (they bought 50 feet of it)

Jim · 04-09-2002, 05:35 PM

yeah-
My tubes are pink forever. Does Tygon (lab quality) absorb? I mixed mine according to Danger Dens instructions, 4 oz to one gallon of distilled.
Jim

Joe · 04-09-2002, 05:40 PM

well it does depend on the water wetter. the synthetic Redline or purple stuff seem to.

the green stuff I used in DH3 does NOT react with silicone from what I found.

UnaClocker · 04-09-2002, 06:05 PM

How about Royal Purple? Anyone ever try using that instead of WaterWetter with silicone? Did the hose turn purple? If it's only absorbing the coloring, the purple is a different color, maybe it doesn't absorb it..

Brad · 04-10-2002, 02:12 AM

what about food colouring?

what about ink from pens?

Cyco-Dude · 04-11-2002, 10:46 AM

how about that stuff you put in toilets to make em minty fresh?? lol

im guessing it will.......

DigitalChaos · 04-11-2002, 02:05 PM

i was using a piece of silicone in my system with water wetter

the tubing did turn pink

BUT i was trying to get rid of the stuff growing in my system so i started over with new tubing, and a new piece of silicone.

but this time a added alot of 91% isopropyl alcohol. maybe 1/2 cup+ to my 1/4 gallon system.

over the course of a month there was barely ANY pink in the silicone

not sure why this happened but its something to think about.

Avatar28 · 04-11-2002, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DigitalChaos
i was using a piece of silicone in my system with water wetter

the tubing did turn pink

BUT i was trying to get rid of the stuff growing in my system so i started over with new tubing, and a new piece of silicone.

but this time a added alot of 91% isopropyl alcohol. maybe 1/2 cup+ to my 1/4 gallon system.

over the course of a month there was barely ANY pink in the silicone

not sure why this happened but its something to think about.

Alcohol is a GREAT solvent. Especially when it comes to dyes. Probably it has absorbed the dye in the water wetter and kept it out of the silicone if I had to guess about it.

DigitalChaos · 04-11-2002, 03:59 PM

huh? wouldnt that be just like saying the water absorbed the water wetter?

watter wetter is still in the lines.. so its still available for absorbing.

im sure that there is probably some chemistry to this.. maybe one of these chemicals is really polar, attaches itself to the other chemical, and then makes it impossible for silicone to absorb it due to repulsion or just the size of it.

wonder if this still keeps down corrosion AND temps AND bio growth.....

this is all stuff that i couldnt figure out, but if someone gave the answer i would understand

Avatar28 · 04-11-2002, 05:12 PM

Well, I suspect, among other things, that it may have something to do with alcohol's hydroscopic properties. If you mix a cup of water and a cup of alcohol and shake it up well, you end up with less than 2 cups of liquid. Some of the water is held between the molecules of alcohol. Likely it has a similar effect on the dye. It probably holds the dye in solution well enough that it's more attracted to the alcohol than to the silicone.

Pyrotechnic · 04-11-2002, 10:39 PM

hey cool, i'll just add a bit of alcohol, it's a great biocide too, also you dont need 4oz to a gallon like the bottle says, you only need like 2oz

DigitalChaos · 04-12-2002, 06:55 AM

the ammount i added was a very rough estimate... i could have easily doubled the ammount of isopropyl.

so if you add alcohol to the mix.. wouldnt that basically make the mixture more dense? and at the same time wouldnt this increase performance compared to straight water?

Cyco-Dude · 04-12-2002, 10:55 AM

not unless alcohol has better heat transfer properties than water...

Avatar28 · 04-12-2002, 11:59 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DigitalChaos
the ammount i added was a very rough estimate... i could have easily doubled the ammount of isopropyl.

so if you add alcohol to the mix.. wouldnt that basically make the mixture more dense? and at the same time wouldnt this increase performance compared to straight water?

No and no. Alcohol is less dense than water. Additionally it doesn't have as good of a heat capacity, so you would lose some small bit of cooling capacity.

DigitalChaos · 04-12-2002, 12:15 PM

the ammount i added was a very rough estimate... i could have easily doubled the ammount of isopropyl.

this was a statement, not a question.. i used like 1/3-1/2 of that bottle.. hell that could be a cup of alcohol... im just sayin that using ALOT of alcohol resulted in less RedLine absorbtion...

i used small ammounts before, and that didnt do anything... you need to use alot

Cova · 06-20-2002, 11:34 AM

I'm using all Tygon tubing (thin-wall, but that shouldn't matter except to make it even easier to see through/see if it's absorbing anything) and when I filled the system it was distilled water + 3% water-wetter. After about 2 days of running all the fluid in the system was completly clear again, and the tubing was still clear as well. So I put a small amount more waterwetter into my fill-tube (which is my tiny res) and after about an hour of mixing (fill tube isn't part of the cooling loop) my system had a nice pink look again. I don't know where the first water-wetter went (or if it even did go somewhere, or just the color in it did), but I'm assuming that with all the copper surface area in my system and the very small volume of coolant, that I didn't have enough volume of waterwetter to coat/protect all of the surfaces from corrosion.

Anyways, no silicon in my setup, but I do seem to slowly lose waterwetter somewhere. The Tygon is still perfectly clear.

Jim · 06-20-2002, 06:16 PM

Yeah, I am still losing fluid with silicon tubing, haven't installed the tygon I ordered about a month ago, no time.

So you are losing fluid with TYGON as well. Sorry to hear this.

Have no clue as to why the pink disappears on you?

Jim

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04-09-2002, 12:20 AM	#1
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	Did your silicone tubing absorb the water wetter in your system ? i'm having a hard time choosing what tubing to buy. who has silicone tubing, did it absorb all the water wetter or what ever additive you had in your coolant ?

04-09-2002, 02:52 AM	#5
ondaedg Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2000 Posts: 130	you don't even need to poll people. Silicon tubing will absorb water wetter everytime. Makes your hoses a nice pink color =] __________________ ondaedg@procooling.com

04-09-2002, 07:00 AM	#6
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	For the record, Todd DOES prefer his hose pink. He says it accentuates his pretty dress... -Kev __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

04-09-2002, 10:42 AM	#8
decodeddiesel Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: classified Posts: 534	I have noticed that when I use the proper ammount of Water Wetter (ie a very small concentration) the silisone does not absorb it into the walls. However when I first started water cooling and used too much I got some perdy pink tubing in my system. Also I have noted Dye-Lite does not seem to be absorbed, even in too large a concentration. __________________ ...i hurt... do me a favor, disconect me... they can re-work me but i'll never be top of the line again ...i'd rather be nothing...

04-09-2002, 12:29 AM	#2
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	it absorbed much of the color but it still inhibits corrosion and it still is an algaecide which are the reasons for which I use it (3.5gal system changed every 6 months)

04-09-2002, 12:33 AM	#3
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	how much water wetter did you add per gallon ?

04-09-2002, 12:42 AM	#4
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	per inst on the bottle

04-09-2002, 02:38 PM	#9
Techguy Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Suwanee, GA Posts: 130	I'm thinking bout getting tygon, it's not THAT expensive. the most I can see using would be $10 feet.. be sure to get the thick wall.. some1 in pro chat was selling the thickwalled stuff yesterday (they bought 50 feet of it) __________________ My only PC is a PII 333 with 256MB RAM a GeForce2 MX 200, and 30GB's of 7,200rpm ATA/66 goodness. And yes, I know it sucks.

04-09-2002, 05:35 PM	#10
Jim Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 389	yeah- My tubes are pink forever. Does Tygon (lab quality) absorb? I mixed mine according to Danger Dens instructions, 4 oz to one gallon of distilled. Jim Last edited by Jim; 04-10-2002 at 11:05 AM.

04-09-2002, 05:40 PM	#11
Joe The Pro/Life Support System Join Date: Dec 1999 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 4,041	well it does depend on the water wetter. the synthetic Redline or purple stuff seem to. the green stuff I used in DH3 does NOT react with silicone from what I found. __________________ Joe - I only take this hat off for one thing... ProCooling archive curator and dusty skeleton.

04-09-2002, 06:05 PM	#12
UnaClocker Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 514	How about Royal Purple? Anyone ever try using that instead of WaterWetter with silicone? Did the hose turn purple? If it's only absorbing the coloring, the purple is a different color, maybe it doesn't absorb it.. __________________ The UnaClocker Watercooler Extraordinaire! Overclock till it goes BOOM!

04-10-2002, 02:12 AM	#13
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	what about food colouring? what about ink from pens? __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

04-11-2002, 10:46 AM	#14
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	how about that stuff you put in toilets to make em minty fresh?? lol im guessing it will.......

04-11-2002, 02:05 PM	#15
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	i was using a piece of silicone in my system with water wetter the tubing did turn pink BUT i was trying to get rid of the stuff growing in my system so i started over with new tubing, and a new piece of silicone. but this time a added alot of 91% isopropyl alcohol. maybe 1/2 cup+ to my 1/4 gallon system. over the course of a month there was barely ANY pink in the silicone not sure why this happened but its something to think about.

04-11-2002, 03:59 PM	#17
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	huh? wouldnt that be just like saying the water absorbed the water wetter? watter wetter is still in the lines.. so its still available for absorbing. im sure that there is probably some chemistry to this.. maybe one of these chemicals is really polar, attaches itself to the other chemical, and then makes it impossible for silicone to absorb it due to repulsion or just the size of it. wonder if this still keeps down corrosion AND temps AND bio growth..... this is all stuff that i couldnt figure out, but if someone gave the answer i would understand

04-11-2002, 05:12 PM	#18
Avatar28 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 47	Well, I suspect, among other things, that it may have something to do with alcohol's hydroscopic properties. If you mix a cup of water and a cup of alcohol and shake it up well, you end up with less than 2 cups of liquid. Some of the water is held between the molecules of alcohol. Likely it has a similar effect on the dye. It probably holds the dye in solution well enough that it's more attracted to the alcohol than to the silicone.

04-11-2002, 10:39 PM	#19
Pyrotechnic Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 240	hey cool, i'll just add a bit of alcohol, it's a great biocide too, also you dont need 4oz to a gallon like the bottle says, you only need like 2oz

04-12-2002, 06:55 AM	#20
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	the ammount i added was a very rough estimate... i could have easily doubled the ammount of isopropyl. so if you add alcohol to the mix.. wouldnt that basically make the mixture more dense? and at the same time wouldnt this increase performance compared to straight water?

04-12-2002, 10:55 AM	#21
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	not unless alcohol has better heat transfer properties than water...

04-12-2002, 12:15 PM	#23
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	the ammount i added was a very rough estimate... i could have easily doubled the ammount of isopropyl. this was a statement, not a question.. i used like 1/3-1/2 of that bottle.. hell that could be a cup of alcohol... im just sayin that using ALOT of alcohol resulted in less RedLine absorbtion... i used small ammounts before, and that didnt do anything... you need to use alot

06-20-2002, 11:34 AM	#24
Cova Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 247	I'm using all Tygon tubing (thin-wall, but that shouldn't matter except to make it even easier to see through/see if it's absorbing anything) and when I filled the system it was distilled water + 3% water-wetter. After about 2 days of running all the fluid in the system was completly clear again, and the tubing was still clear as well. So I put a small amount more waterwetter into my fill-tube (which is my tiny res) and after about an hour of mixing (fill tube isn't part of the cooling loop) my system had a nice pink look again. I don't know where the first water-wetter went (or if it even did go somewhere, or just the color in it did), but I'm assuming that with all the copper surface area in my system and the very small volume of coolant, that I didn't have enough volume of waterwetter to coat/protect all of the surfaces from corrosion. Anyways, no silicon in my setup, but I do seem to slowly lose waterwetter somewhere. The Tygon is still perfectly clear.

06-20-2002, 06:16 PM	#25
Jim Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 389	Yeah, I am still losing fluid with silicon tubing, haven't installed the tygon I ordered about a month ago, no time. So you are losing fluid with TYGON as well. Sorry to hear this. Have no clue as to why the pink disappears on you? Jim

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