Deign

zar210 · 05-10-2003, 12:23 AM

What are you sharp people think of this deign?
It constucted but not tested (waiting for stuff to arrive),

zar210 · 05-10-2003, 12:25 AM

The consruction in real life!

LiquidRulez · 05-10-2003, 01:10 AM

I think after you put it on, you'll realize that you should have given it more thought

tippey · 05-10-2003, 02:26 AM

I was thinking of something similar using plumbing parts.
I suggest extending the inlet with a copper tube or something so that it is closer to the baseplate.

MadDogMe · 05-10-2003, 03:42 AM

As above, else the water won't reach down to the CPU area...

Axly · 05-10-2003, 03:59 AM

uhmm.. isn't the 22 mm tube pretty close to the plate? i think this could be ok. Nice to see more people doing blocks like these (bb2k's Radius inspired)

Personally i'm also pretty interested in the looks of the block, and well... it doesn't look very pretty

tippey · 05-10-2003, 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Axly
uhmm.. isn't the 22 mm tube pretty close to the plate? i think this could be ok.

your right m8 on a second look I just interpreted drawing wrong

MadDogMe · 05-10-2003, 04:28 AM

Same here, I thought it was the tube thickness, not another tube inside, in that case 22mm is too wide IMO. How about 13mm while incorporating a jet into the 'innertube'?

...

PS, I would'nt of put restrictive barbs onto it though. I'd have used 13mm (inner diametre) copper pipe in conjunction with 13mm (inner diametre) silicon tubing...

The outlet is in a good position to run a northbridge block in series as well...

PPS, with regards to the size: Is this block for a Pentium4 CPU?...

zar210 · 05-10-2003, 12:31 PM

Thanks for the input! Working in a idustry that use alot of copper gives me much material of experementing with blocks, so a change of tactics (with the design) is not much of a cost for me (i take trashed pieces, im not a thief).
My thought was to put as much water as possible at a high flow rate thru the block. If i understand MaDogMe, the 22mm tube can be a problem to get the flow to aggressivly attack the bottomplate. I think the silverplating will have a advantage (over plain copper) for spreading the heat around the whole bottomplate.
I know it looks like a bastard, but who cares?
Does anyone have a similar project? Please send some pictures!

GTA · 05-10-2003, 06:00 PM

I think it looks like a fairly effective design, covers all the main points of an effective block.

It could be optimised no doubt, but as a concept, i don't see any serious flaws.

I'd include a jet if I were you, and move the inlet pipe slightly further from the base. You may see a little backpressure from that block as it is.

Run some tests, if possible against another standard block, and let us know the results.

Keep up the effort

MadDogMe · 05-11-2003, 06:58 AM

I don't think the silver plating will make any noticable difference. It's such a thin layer, also silver is'nt that much better than copper :shrug: ...

You got it right about the water 'aggressivly attacking' the baseplate. It can make a big difference as Cathar has shown us with White Water...

How thin is the baseplate overall?, and how thin is it from the bottom of the dimples?. It's a good easily workable design though for sure

. Kudos!

...

PS. Is the notch at the bottom of the inner (22mm) tube to try and balance the flow?. I've been trying to find a good outlet design for a 'radial' waterpath. The only sure fire way is to have the outlet at the top and have the inlet where the outlet is now. It'd have to do a 90deg bend though which is bad for flow :shrug: ...

zar210 · 05-15-2003, 07:40 AM

Well! Now its tested and reached only 217*11.5 on a 2800+ Barton and ABIT NF7-S v2.0.

MadDogMe · 05-15-2003, 07:42 AM

What did you get with your previous cooling?(if any). What temps are you getting with them both?...

Is that Barton a 333 or 400FSB model?...

zar210 · 05-15-2003, 09:24 AM

Acctuly i have one koolance system with a cpu-200S cooler, 2600+ @2438 (195x12.5) 1.9v on a A7n8xD v1.04 36-40C.
The new system:
NF7-S v2.0
Barton 2800+ 333 @2497 (11.5*217)
Corsair TwinX512 3200
45-50C with no stability issues??

I think the temperatures are a bit high, thinking of making my fans work more efficient thru the (black ice) radiator.

MadDogMe · 05-16-2003, 03:22 AM

You know that the NF7S (rev2.0) gives much higher temp readings than most any other mobo?...

zar210 · 05-16-2003, 04:29 AM

Updated bios and got 10c lower temps!

MadDogMe · 05-16-2003, 04:32 AM

The easiest performance optimisation ever!!

. Which BIOS revision is that? I am still running with the 'shipping' BIOS...

zar210 · 05-16-2003, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Beta BIOS release 14 beta 1 for NF7-S/NF7 v2.0

Release information:

[ENGLISH]

0. Please use AWDFLASH 8.23D or later to update NF7 series BIOS. With
incorrect AWDFLASH version, the GUID will be erased, and leads to
IEEE1394 peer to peer function failed. AWDFLASH 8.23K is included in
this BIOS package.
1. Fixed CPU temperature too high issue.
2. Raised highest CPU FSB up to 300 MHz for "user define mode" in SoftMenu.
3. Fixed SATA RAID-0 data corruption issue by adding a new option "EXT-P2P's
Discard Time" in "integrated Peripherals". The default setting is "30 us"
; which is recommended by NVidia. In case the problem is still there, try
"1 ms" please.
4. Changed DDR400 DRAM timing according to NVidia's recommendation.
5. Updated BPL to v3.01 according to NVidia's recommendation.
6. BIOS Compile Date: 5/14/2003.

http://fae.abit.com.tw/download/beta/nf7/

msv · 05-16-2003, 08:49 AM

Yep, impressing improvement.

Not to disencourage a kinsman (vive la Suede!), but isn´t Your design basically a higher cap-design? Central inlet, outlet somewhere else in the cap. The effectiveness should be dominated by the pattern of holes/dimples/whatever in the baseplate. What pattern do You use right now? Square, hexagonal? Conical dimples, as in front end of drill, right?
Doesn´t Swiftechs blocks use a derivate of the cap-design?
regards
Mikael S.

05-10-2003, 01:10 AM	#3
LiquidRulez Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: In Hell Posts: 322	I think after you put it on, you'll realize that you should have given it more thought __________________ GOt H20 ?

05-10-2003, 04:28 AM	#8
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	Same here, I thought it was the tube thickness, not another tube inside, in that case 22mm is too wide IMO. How about 13mm while incorporating a jet into the 'innertube'? ... PS, I would'nt of put restrictive barbs onto it though. I'd have used 13mm (inner diametre) copper pipe in conjunction with 13mm (inner diametre) silicon tubing... The outlet is in a good position to run a northbridge block in series as well... PPS, with regards to the size: Is this block for a Pentium4 CPU?... Last edited by MadDogMe; 05-10-2003 at 04:36 AM.

05-10-2003, 02:26 AM	#4
tippey Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: wales uk Posts: 17	I was thinking of something similar using plumbing parts. I suggest extending the inlet with a copper tube or something so that it is closer to the baseplate.

05-10-2003, 03:42 AM	#5
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	As above, else the water won't reach down to the CPU area...

05-10-2003, 03:59 AM	#6
Axly Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 20	uhmm.. isn't the 22 mm tube pretty close to the plate? i think this could be ok. Nice to see more people doing blocks like these (bb2k's Radius inspired) Personally i'm also pretty interested in the looks of the block, and well... it doesn't look very pretty

05-10-2003, 06:00 PM	#10
GTA Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: UK - Bristol Posts: 134	I think it looks like a fairly effective design, covers all the main points of an effective block. It could be optimised no doubt, but as a concept, i don't see any serious flaws. I'd include a jet if I were you, and move the inlet pipe slightly further from the base. You may see a little backpressure from that block as it is. Run some tests, if possible against another standard block, and let us know the results. Keep up the effort

05-11-2003, 06:58 AM	#11
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	I don't think the silver plating will make any noticable difference. It's such a thin layer, also silver is'nt that much better than copper :shrug: ... You got it right about the water 'aggressivly attacking' the baseplate. It can make a big difference as Cathar has shown us with White Water... How thin is the baseplate overall?, and how thin is it from the bottom of the dimples?. It's a good easily workable design though for sure . Kudos! ... PS. Is the notch at the bottom of the inner (22mm) tube to try and balance the flow?. I've been trying to find a good outlet design for a 'radial' waterpath. The only sure fire way is to have the outlet at the top and have the inlet where the outlet is now. It'd have to do a 90deg bend though which is bad for flow :shrug: ...

05-15-2003, 07:40 AM	#12
zar210 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 7	Well! Now its tested and reached only 217*11.5 on a 2800+ Barton and ABIT NF7-S v2.0.

05-15-2003, 07:42 AM	#13
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	What did you get with your previous cooling?(if any). What temps are you getting with them both?... Is that Barton a 333 or 400FSB model?...

05-15-2003, 09:24 AM	#14
zar210 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 7	Acctuly i have one koolance system with a cpu-200S cooler, 2600+ @2438 (195x12.5) 1.9v on a A7n8xD v1.04 36-40C. The new system: NF7-S v2.0 Barton 2800+ 333 @2497 (11.5*217) Corsair TwinX512 3200 45-50C with no stability issues?? I think the temperatures are a bit high, thinking of making my fans work more efficient thru the (black ice) radiator.

05-16-2003, 03:22 AM	#15
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	You know that the NF7S (rev2.0) gives much higher temp readings than most any other mobo?...

05-16-2003, 04:29 AM	#16
zar210 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 7	Updated bios and got 10c lower temps!

05-16-2003, 04:32 AM	#17
MadDogMe Thermophile Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Just shut up ;) ... Posts: 1,068	The easiest performance optimisation ever!! . Which BIOS revision is that? I am still running with the 'shipping' BIOS...

05-16-2003, 08:43 AM	#18
zar210 Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2003 Location: sweden Posts: 7	Quote: Beta BIOS release 14 beta 1 for NF7-S/NF7 v2.0 Release information: [ENGLISH] 0. Please use AWDFLASH 8.23D or later to update NF7 series BIOS. With incorrect AWDFLASH version, the GUID will be erased, and leads to IEEE1394 peer to peer function failed. AWDFLASH 8.23K is included in this BIOS package. 1. Fixed CPU temperature too high issue. 2. Raised highest CPU FSB up to 300 MHz for "user define mode" in SoftMenu. 3. Fixed SATA RAID-0 data corruption issue by adding a new option "EXT-P2P's Discard Time" in "integrated Peripherals". The default setting is "30 us" ; which is recommended by NVidia. In case the problem is still there, try "1 ms" please. 4. Changed DDR400 DRAM timing according to NVidia's recommendation. 5. Updated BPL to v3.01 according to NVidia's recommendation. 6. BIOS Compile Date: 5/14/2003. http://fae.abit.com.tw/download/beta/nf7/

05-16-2003, 08:49 AM	#19
msv Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 336	Yep, impressing improvement. Not to disencourage a kinsman (vive la Suede!), but isn´t Your design basically a higher cap-design? Central inlet, outlet somewhere else in the cap. The effectiveness should be dominated by the pattern of holes/dimples/whatever in the baseplate. What pattern do You use right now? Square, hexagonal? Conical dimples, as in front end of drill, right? Doesn´t Swiftechs blocks use a derivate of the cap-design? regards Mikael S.

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