To 24/7 or Not to 24/7. That is the question!

Varsis · 04-21-2004, 06:53 AM

Alright guys, how many of you 24/7 you pumps? i know i do!
dam relays are like 30 bucks! plus my rig's always on anyways!
My rig

Brians256 · 04-21-2004, 09:53 AM

24/7 because my rig is on 24/7 and a relay is just a waste of time and money.

Jabo · 04-21-2004, 10:14 AM

Got me TEC'ed rig, use to have it24/7 folding but was to expensive (two TECs) on electricity front and I stopped

krazy · 04-21-2004, 10:24 AM

For the time being, I unplug my pump and rad fans manually when I shut my machine down (which is not very often). Once I get my new tower and finally am able to build everything inside of it, I will have a somewhat extravagant setup that allows me to set the pump to either be on no matter what, off no matter what (using a momentary-type switch for safety) or be controlled by a relay on the PSU like most people do. The rad fans will also be powered independently of the main PSU and there will be a switch to set them to constantly on or PSU relay controlled. This way it will be easy to fill and bleed the system, as well as do quick checks by cycling the pump off and back on, etc.

I don't see any advantage to leaving the pump running constantly when the computer is powered down. Every pump has a lifespan, and each rotation just counts up on the odometer. I wouldn't mind setting up a circuit that would keep my pump and fans running for 20 or 30 seconds after a power down just to suck any remaining heat out of the machine instead of just letting it sit there and cook with no ventilation.

Boli · 04-21-2004, 10:29 AM

Occasionally, very ocasionaly when my computer is on the blink (about once a month) I switch everything of... normally it just runds 24/7 anyways. been swicted off about 8 times or so in a year.

Still works/.

sevisehda · 04-21-2004, 12:55 PM

I dont shut off the computer to do a fill and bleed. Its been off for about 15 minutes so far this year and that was only to replace the pump.

soja · 04-21-2004, 01:35 PM

I fold 24/7

Groth · 04-21-2004, 02:13 PM

I've one particular pump that's a year and a half old; it's been running the whole time except for a 30 minute break to move the computer to another room.

How come the non-24/7 people aren't talkin?

bigben2k · 04-21-2004, 02:27 PM

I usually leave my PC on 24/7, but I'll slap it in sleep mode, overnight. When I add the water cooling component, I'll be turning it off when not in use.

Jabo · 04-21-2004, 03:57 PM

If I had straight water cooled rig I'd have been running it 24/7 for sure....

Puzzdre · 04-21-2004, 04:31 PM

24/7 for about the yr and a half now. Occasionally off for maintenance and when I'm out from home for vacation. No problems at all

Cheers!

Pritorian · 04-21-2004, 05:41 PM

Allways on. The only time it goes down is mainteniens or a sec to reboot after ANOTHER! M$ update

Gooserider · 04-21-2004, 10:32 PM

24/7, Linux boxes don't need periodic rebooting. My box only goes down for hardware updates, moving, or other such tasks.

Gooserider

MMZ_TimeLord · 04-22-2004, 08:46 AM

24/7 as well... I used to run an FTP off it... now my water cooling rig is used as the backup for the FTP...

sandman · 04-22-2004, 07:32 PM

it's on for about 8 hours weekdays, and about 14 hours on weekend.

I shut it off when I got to school or sleep. Besides folding there's no reason to keep it on, and it makes my electric bill too high with the TEC and such.

Varsis · 04-24-2004, 02:08 AM

Hey Groth, i think they aren't talking because they are ASHAMED!

muhaha!

TerraMex · 04-24-2004, 07:56 AM

Not really.
I dont use seti, ud, or others ... never liked those things.
I dont "download the internet" like alot of people do. I usually just borrow their hard drive, less hassle (and get all the goodies too).

I dont keep it on just "because"...
Only on when actually doing something.
Still, it's on most of the days. But not 24/7.
Besides. No "waste" of electricity.

Joe Camel · 04-24-2004, 09:03 AM

how can it help find a cure (FOLD!) if its not on?

TerraMex · 04-24-2004, 12:05 PM

I'm not going to apologize for finding "folding" irrelevant.
It simply strikes me as such. Wasting energy. Making alot of internet traffic thou.
I have yet to be proven that those programs actually do something, or have done. Maybe i'm wrong. But yet to be proven .
No source, except from those "dubious news sites" , have references of.

Anyway.
Some of my friends that do fold, most of the time use the numbers in a "dick size" way. Not for me, thanks.
Same as scores in 3dmark , Aquamark or others.
Dick size talk most of the times. No good out of it.

gruntledweasel · 04-25-2004, 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TerraMex

I have yet to be proven that those programs actually do something, or have done. Maybe i'm wrong. But yet to be proven .
No source, except from those "dubious news sites" , have references of.

I've seen proof that at least one can do "something". I've got a buddy that ran one computer pretty much only as a router/seti@home folder for years. But they (his family) left the monitor on. The screensaver has actually burned into the monitor (and yes, it's a nice modern-ish one). Feels kinda funny saying a screensaver would do that, but it's true.

Now as far as doing something useful, aren't there some sub-ambient pelt cooling guys who need to keep cpu at ~full load so as to keep temps stable?

TerraMex · 04-25-2004, 06:53 PM

Hehe.
Didn't hear that before.
Burned into how? I mean, it just sounds odd.

Like a picture?

MMZ_TimeLord · 04-25-2004, 08:56 PM

gruntledweasle & TerraMex,

I know phosphorus "burning" or "ghosting" in monitors can happen, but is usually avoided in modern monitors due to their power saving features.

i.e. - They turn off the display after a set amount of inactivity.

LCD monitors are NOT at risk to this at all.

Most modern systems are like a car... if you drive lots of highway miles (don't shut it off much and keep it moving) then it will last longer (statistically speaking).

Hard drives spinning up and spinning down are the major cause of failure. I work in the Telco industry... we have hard drives that have been spinning for almost 20 years... they only fail when we have a power failure that causes a system shutdown.

gruntledweasel · 04-25-2004, 10:13 PM

Terramex: More like an overlay...there's just a ghostly image overlaying the actual screen. I'd post a pic if the machine in question weren't half a continent away from me.

I thought this was common knowledge, but here's a link.

MMZ_TimeLord: Um, I already knew that stuff. Which is why I made a point of noting that the monitor was relatively modern, and that it was not set to turn off (that's an OS function, not monitor). Modern CRT monitors will burn in if you give 'em enough time.

I just thought it was funny that a screensaver app caused burn-in. I hope I didn't give off the impression that I thought this was some kind of serious risk associated with distributed computing?

MMZ_TimeLord · 04-26-2004, 01:17 AM

gruntledweasel,

Not at all.. I just wanted to clarify...

Varsis · 04-26-2004, 04:35 AM

funny thing is screen savers were originally for old black and white monitors
they aren't needed for todays color monitors as time to burn on modern monitors takes MONTHS of consistant image.
maybe that monitor was overpowering the tube and thats what cased the burn, or a weak weak phosperous layer.
dont you guys just love my spellen!

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04-21-2004, 06:53 AM	#1
Varsis Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: maui, hawaii Posts: 52	To 24/7 or Not to 24/7. That is the question! Alright guys, how many of you 24/7 you pumps? i know i do! dam relays are like 30 bucks! plus my rig's always on anyways! My rig __________________ Cool with the best or burn like the rest.

04-21-2004, 10:14 AM	#3
Jabo Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hertfordshire, England Posts: 164	Got me TEC'ed rig, use to have it24/7 folding but was to expensive (two TECs) on electricity front and I stopped __________________ Museum piece but .... Medusa cooled

04-21-2004, 10:24 AM	#4
krazy Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: St. Paul, Minnesota, USA Posts: 123	For the time being, I unplug my pump and rad fans manually when I shut my machine down (which is not very often). Once I get my new tower and finally am able to build everything inside of it, I will have a somewhat extravagant setup that allows me to set the pump to either be on no matter what, off no matter what (using a momentary-type switch for safety) or be controlled by a relay on the PSU like most people do. The rad fans will also be powered independently of the main PSU and there will be a switch to set them to constantly on or PSU relay controlled. This way it will be easy to fill and bleed the system, as well as do quick checks by cycling the pump off and back on, etc. I don't see any advantage to leaving the pump running constantly when the computer is powered down. Every pump has a lifespan, and each rotation just counts up on the odometer. I wouldn't mind setting up a circuit that would keep my pump and fans running for 20 or 30 seconds after a power down just to suck any remaining heat out of the machine instead of just letting it sit there and cook with no ventilation. __________________ Abit NF7-S ... xp1800+ ... Abit GF4ti4200 ... Maxtor 120gb SATA150 Currently gathering parts to water cool everything! (read about the project)

04-21-2004, 10:29 AM	#5
Boli Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Blackburn / Dundee Posts: 451	Occasionally, very ocasionaly when my computer is on the blink (about once a month) I switch everything of... normally it just runds 24/7 anyways. been swicted off about 8 times or so in a year. Still works/. __________________ 1800+ @ 2247 (214x10.5) - STABLE, 512MB PC3700 TwinX Cosair RAM, NF7-S v2.0, GeForce3 Ti200 Parallel BIM, 120.1 Thermochill, Eheim 1048, Maze 3, Maze4 GPU, "Z" chipset, 1/2" tubing, PC-70: 5x120mm & 9x80mm fans. Internet Server & second machine (folding 24/7): 512MB DDR RAM, XP2000+

04-21-2004, 09:53 AM	#2
Brians256 Pro/Staff Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Klamath Falls, OR Posts: 1,439	24/7 because my rig is on 24/7 and a relay is just a waste of time and money.

04-21-2004, 12:55 PM	#6
sevisehda Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2003 Location: NY Posts: 234	I dont shut off the computer to do a fill and bleed. Its been off for about 15 minutes so far this year and that was only to replace the pump. __________________ CPU: Barton2500 @ 2.43 ghz MB: NF7S Rev2 RAM: 2x 256mb Kingston HyperX 3500 HD's: 2x 160gb SATA RAID GPU: Sapphire X800Pro VIVO -> XT Plat(softmod) 520/590

04-21-2004, 01:35 PM	#7
soja Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: OC, CA Posts: 22	I fold 24/7 __________________ JIUHB 0319WPMW 1466 @ 2500 (185x13.5) 2.0v BBA 9700pro

04-21-2004, 02:13 PM	#8
Groth Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: MO Posts: 781	I've one particular pump that's a year and a half old; it's been running the whole time except for a 30 minute break to move the computer to another room. How come the non-24/7 people aren't talkin?

04-21-2004, 02:27 PM	#9
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	I usually leave my PC on 24/7, but I'll slap it in sleep mode, overnight. When I add the water cooling component, I'll be turning it off when not in use. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

04-21-2004, 03:57 PM	#10
Jabo Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hertfordshire, England Posts: 164	If I had straight water cooled rig I'd have been running it 24/7 for sure.... __________________ Museum piece but .... Medusa cooled

04-21-2004, 04:31 PM	#11
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	24/7 for about the yr and a half now. Occasionally off for maintenance and when I'm out from home for vacation. No problems at all Cheers! __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

04-21-2004, 05:41 PM	#12
Pritorian Cooling Savant Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Norway Posts: 201	Allways on. The only time it goes down is mainteniens or a sec to reboot after ANOTHER! M$ update __________________ Boo!

04-21-2004, 10:32 PM	#13
Gooserider Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: North Billerica, MA, USA Posts: 451	24/7, Linux boxes don't need periodic rebooting. My box only goes down for hardware updates, moving, or other such tasks. Gooserider __________________ Designing system, will have Tyan S2468UGN Dual Athlon MOBO, SCSI HDDS, other goodies. Will run LINUX only. Want to have silent running, minimal fans, and water cooled. Probably not OC'c

04-22-2004, 08:46 AM	#14
MMZ_TimeLord Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Mateo, CA, USA, Earth Posts: 433	24/7 as well... I used to run an FTP off it... now my water cooling rig is used as the backup for the FTP... __________________ MMZ>TimeLord "Oooooooooh... that's gonna leave a mark!"

04-22-2004, 07:32 PM	#15
sandman Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Ohio Posts: 50	it's on for about 8 hours weekdays, and about 14 hours on weekend. I shut it off when I got to school or sleep. Besides folding there's no reason to keep it on, and it makes my electric bill too high with the TEC and such.

04-24-2004, 02:08 AM	#16
Varsis Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: maui, hawaii Posts: 52	Hey Groth, i think they aren't talking because they are ASHAMED! muhaha! __________________ Cool with the best or burn like the rest.

04-24-2004, 07:56 AM	#17
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	Not really. I dont use seti, ud, or others ... never liked those things. I dont "download the internet" like alot of people do. I usually just borrow their hard drive, less hassle (and get all the goodies too). I dont keep it on just "because"... Only on when actually doing something. Still, it's on most of the days. But not 24/7. Besides. No "waste" of electricity. __________________ "we need more cowbell."

04-24-2004, 09:03 AM	#18
Joe Camel Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: ohio Posts: 51	how can it help find a cure (FOLD!) if its not on? __________________ JoeCamel is F@H for ....A CURE!! (40+ GHz) A64 Phase cooled: FX-55 @ 3204MHz (267x12) - MSI Neo2 - MachII - OCZ DDR Booster & VX @ 3.6V , 267 @ 2,2,2,5 1:1 - x800 XT-PE @ 665/608 - DD Maze4 with 172w TEC 14V TEC PSU - 500W X-Connect PSU A64 Water cooled: 3500 Venice @ 3000MHz (300x10) - DFI LP Ultra-D - Storm G5, D4 pump @ 16V, BIXII, 4x100+ CFM fans - OCZ VX @ 3.6V , 300 5:6 = 250 @ 2,2,2,6 - x850 XT @ 600/630 - socket A HSF & 80mm Tornado , copper mem sinks - OCZ 600W PSU

04-24-2004, 12:05 PM	#19
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	I'm not going to apologize for finding "folding" irrelevant. It simply strikes me as such. Wasting energy. Making alot of internet traffic thou. I have yet to be proven that those programs actually do something, or have done. Maybe i'm wrong. But yet to be proven . No source, except from those "dubious news sites" , have references of. Anyway. Some of my friends that do fold, most of the time use the numbers in a "dick size" way. Not for me, thanks. Same as scores in 3dmark , Aquamark or others. Dick size talk most of the times. No good out of it. __________________ "we need more cowbell."

04-25-2004, 06:53 PM	#21
TerraMex Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Portugal, Europe Posts: 870	Hehe. Didn't hear that before. Burned into how? I mean, it just sounds odd. Like a picture? __________________ "we need more cowbell."

04-25-2004, 08:56 PM	#22
MMZ_TimeLord Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Mateo, CA, USA, Earth Posts: 433	gruntledweasle & TerraMex, I know phosphorus "burning" or "ghosting" in monitors can happen, but is usually avoided in modern monitors due to their power saving features. i.e. - They turn off the display after a set amount of inactivity. LCD monitors are NOT at risk to this at all. Most modern systems are like a car... if you drive lots of highway miles (don't shut it off much and keep it moving) then it will last longer (statistically speaking). Hard drives spinning up and spinning down are the major cause of failure. I work in the Telco industry... we have hard drives that have been spinning for almost 20 years... they only fail when we have a power failure that causes a system shutdown. __________________ MMZ>TimeLord "Oooooooooh... that's gonna leave a mark!"

04-25-2004, 10:13 PM	#23
gruntledweasel Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Irvine Posts: 63	Terramex: More like an overlay...there's just a ghostly image overlaying the actual screen. I'd post a pic if the machine in question weren't half a continent away from me. I thought this was common knowledge, but here's a link. MMZ_TimeLord: Um, I already knew that stuff. Which is why I made a point of noting that the monitor was relatively modern, and that it was not set to turn off (that's an OS function, not monitor). Modern CRT monitors will burn in if you give 'em enough time. I just thought it was funny that a screensaver app caused burn-in. I hope I didn't give off the impression that I thought this was some kind of serious risk associated with distributed computing?

04-26-2004, 01:17 AM	#24
MMZ_TimeLord Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: San Mateo, CA, USA, Earth Posts: 433	gruntledweasel, Not at all.. I just wanted to clarify... __________________ MMZ>TimeLord "Oooooooooh... that's gonna leave a mark!"

04-26-2004, 04:35 AM	#25
Varsis Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: maui, hawaii Posts: 52	funny thing is screen savers were originally for old black and white monitors they aren't needed for todays color monitors as time to burn on modern monitors takes MONTHS of consistant image. maybe that monitor was overpowering the tube and thats what cased the burn, or a weak weak phosperous layer. dont you guys just love my spellen! __________________ Cool with the best or burn like the rest.

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