[H] WB roundup - Page 7

pHaestus · 10-09-2002, 08:56 PM

shh don't tell Steve

Procooling readers not welcome in their forums, eh?

BillA · 10-09-2002, 09:09 PM

tacky, tacky - and not true
after all he un-banned me when he figured out I wasn't making the big bucks over here

so I guess he even permits a select few to post on both forums

you're just pissed 'cause you didn't make the cut
probably too highbrow

pHaestus · 10-09-2002, 11:33 PM

I think the comment that Procooling readers weren't welcome was from a "regular poster" over there and not from management. Management's statement was that procooling STAFFERS are not welcome. In my case that is understandable given my tendency to quote "dead English dudes".

Axly · 10-20-2002, 03:54 PM

Hi, My name is Axly, and I'm an alcoh.. uhh.. sorry, wrong forum..

I have no idea how I could miss this place for so long. I've spent the past few days reading as many posts as I can find, cause this is a place where there are no "l337 hax0r fook" bla bla bullsh-t and no 13-y.o mentality.

I started off at the Hardforum the same day it opened, and back then it was a completely different attitude there. Nobody knew very much about oc'ing, and everyone tried to help out, and research to help each other.. (sure, most don't know anything there even today) I mostly hang out in the Cool Cases forum, where there are a bit more interesting things to find, but the single most common thread I see there is "I'm gonna buy this and that, and I'm gonna beat you all in 3D-mark"

After 2,5 years at H-forum (and loads of other places) I find this goldmine

I'll still visit H-forum, but it's been a long long time since I found anything to learn there.. This place has fresh ideas.. they might be a bit far out, and a bit complicated.. but new ideas

___________________________________

Think of H as Woolworths.. It's a huge place, the admins don't have very much time so they're not always in their nicest moods. All sorts of people go there, and in large crowds.
Think of Procooling as a more exclusive store.. you sell Armani or something. It's not for the masses, you have to be really in to it, and to be honest.. You look down on the "Woolworth people"

Sure, the article was a bit thin.. but I don't think very many of the readers would appreciate a more thorough one. (I would, but that's me.. and why should i complain, I got a so-so comparison of the blocks I won't buy anyway)

One thing.. don't go start a flame-war.. not even in this forum. It's very very useless, and can't lead to anything good.

mkosem · 10-20-2002, 06:20 PM

Quote:

I think the comment that Procooling readers weren't welcome was from a "regular poster" over there and not from management. Management's statement was that procooling STAFFERS are not welcome. In my case that is understandable given my tendency to quote "dead English dudes".

hmm, I'm not even a staffer and I got banned! hehe, no hurt tho, I'm hardcore enough toward procooling that I don't even care.

--Matt

Fixittt · 11-24-2002, 08:28 PM

A little bitching goes a long way.

Steve changed the waterblock review yet again!

Now Gemini has a "Nice" Spiral design instead of a "revolutionary" design.

RAW

BillA · 11-24-2002, 08:32 PM

AND one of their drummer boys locked the thread

a new meaning to 'muscular pussies'

Fixittt · 11-24-2002, 08:51 PM

yes they did................

I basicly ripped Steve a new one for not knowing what was going on in his own house.

dantheman · 11-24-2002, 08:53 PM

I have not been back there since. . . but I also see they said some new stuff with the radiator also.

airspirit · 11-25-2002, 06:14 PM

Jeez, that moronic Steve guy really sounds like a cock freakin' out at BillA for simply pointing out that he f*cked his roundup up. Shiz, I can do a better job testing those things in my house with a damn garden hose and flow regulator (you do know what a control valve is, right?).

Hey Steve: I throw down the gauntlet to YOU, you asshat (WTF kind of homo sh!t is that, anyway???). Send me those blocks, and I'll give you real data.

I'll meet your challenge, if you're man enough to stick to your guns.

When I'm done you can crawl under a rock and die of shame, you sack of sh!t. For god's sake, standing behind a terminal and banning people for disagreeing with you, especially when you're horribly wrong, shows what a pussy you are. You want to throw the gauntlet (or lacy glove from your flamer mansex get-togethers) on your site, I'll do the same here.

Are you afraid to be proved wrong, c*ck-boy?

The sad thing is that it'll only take a minimum of hardware to do a better job than you, and even with huge inaccuracies in my setup I can get more usable data. This doesn't take a rocket scientist to perform, but you buggered it right and proper. I am revolted to think that anyone might waste their hard-earned money purchasing hardware on your incorrect recommendation.

(Sorry if I offended anyone, but that moron really gets under my skin, and I've never been a member over there ... maybe it's just his horrible color scheme puts me in the wrong mood to tolerate his delusions of grandeur).

airspirit · 11-25-2002, 06:15 PM

(Did I do a good Stevey-boy imitation, or what? That was worthy of an Acadamy Award.)

utabintarbo · 11-25-2002, 07:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by airspirit

Hey Steve: I throw down the gauntlet to YOU, you asshat (WTF kind of homo sh!t is that, anyway)

OK, so what exactly is an asshat?

Blackeagle · 11-25-2002, 07:22 PM

Hey, go to [H] and look for a pix of Steve, that is a asshat. Or in common english..........fill in your worst insult.

By the way, what got this one going again?

I hope that Steve isn't dumb enough to have started something again. Geez the guy just got done screwing up that CPU reveiw, you'd think he'd take a break.

mfpmax · 11-25-2002, 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Blackeagle

By the way, what got this one going again?

Apparently the CPU block was "revised" as the great Fixitt was quite unhappy with what was side about the Spiral design...with good reason.

winewood · 12-14-2002, 12:44 PM

Kyle doesn't want you guys to know how he "reviews" things. Check this out...

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=5213

DragonsDream · 12-14-2002, 06:28 PM

I am a new member here and very new to water cooling. After reading the thread here and what I could at [H]’s website, I wanted to give a new guy option. The idea of water cooling isn’t new to me, I know people have done it for years, and I’ve just now gotten around to trying it myself. When I first started hunting around for information, I could be described like many [H] members. I wanted some one to tell me what block is best. I went around looking for products that got good reviews. After reading more reviews than I can count, I notice that one website would give a good review of a product, where another would give a poor review of the same product. This always sets off bells with me and makes me question why. It seems that the target audience for [H]’s website is the person that wants some body to tell them what products to buy. Anybody can slap a water block, pump and rad into a system and it’s going to work (a general statement) but more than likely won’t provide the best cooling it can. This is where people like BillA come in that give all this numbers and tech data that confuses the [H] members or a lot of people for that matter. That kind of information is for the people that want to know “why” this water block performs better in one setup and not another. It is for people that want to find what rad, what block and what flow rate is going to give the best cooling. It isn’t for the people that just want to be able to say I got water inside my computer. It’s now 4 months later, and I’m still learning a lot every day. The banning that has gone on over at [H] doesn’t surprise me. I have found with many forums on many web sites, there is this attitude among people that they are the one and only person. Many are not willing to answer questions, will flame or even ban if some body questions what they say. I’ve been in several forums where “n00bs” as they call them don’t seem to be welcome because many of them ask too many questions and a lot of times, I’ve seen where they already new more than the person answering the question which has lead to flaming or banning. Just my two cents, I now return you to your normal thread reading.

winewood · 12-14-2002, 06:50 PM

I totally agree...

The only thing I despise is inaccurate simple reporting.
The simplest way is sometimes the best and preferred way.
However, if you have misleading data because you are being too simple, or neglect some very important tests it becomes worthless simple data. Consumer reports is the master of simple data.. sometimes simple minds are the result of simple data gone wrong.

airspirit · 12-14-2002, 07:03 PM

A trained chimp can do a waterblock roundup and get it better than the [H] did. That is what ticks me off. For all the n00bs and initiates that see that and think that it is the end all and be all of testing, I'm horrified at what they did. Bad reporting is worse than being stupid: it's spreading stupidity to others.

What makes it worse, though, is lashing out at those people that point at the man behind the curtain (Wizard @ OZ ref.). That is beyond stupid.

phreenet · 12-14-2002, 09:20 PM

Like come on guys, HardOCP is cool and sheit!

pHaestus · 12-14-2002, 10:45 PM

I can't believe you guys are still talking about this shit.

novaflare · 12-15-2002, 05:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by zCereal
i can't comment on the bannings as i don't know what exactly was posted (and never will since it has been deleted)

EXACTLY post deleated prevents people from seeing both sides of the story that in it self should tell you something.
I have had at least 6 or 7 of my posts deleated in the past because i didnt agree 100% with something kyle or steve said.
They like to cover their arses as much as possible.
I remember a time when hard ocp had decent reviews now it is and has been obvious that alot of their reivews have become more promotinal in nature imo.
I use to hang on on hard ocp lot a while back esp the forums i rember basicly having live chat on their forums id post and with in seconds i had have dozen replys.
Hell more than one of my posts hit 200 replys in a hour the one i remember was the a+ cert one.

I also at one point needed some hard ware cheap as possible to finish up my neices computer not only did i get a better heat sink for like a buck and 3 80s for 2 bucks but one guy gave me a cdrom another guy gave me a modem and network card.
My bet is that none of them are left in the forums now.
I know the 1 guy posted in cooling forum about a bad review that steve did and he was ip banned from the entire site.

bigben2k · 12-16-2002, 10:26 AM

In all fairness, I may have been banned because I don't think that they allow posting links, but either way, I wouldn't hang out there, unless I was looking for something very specific.

mfpmax · 12-16-2002, 12:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by bigben2k
In all fairness, I may have been banned because I don't think that they allow posting links, but either way, I wouldn't hang out there, unless I was looking for something very specific.

They only ban for posting links to explict material, and even then...most of the "popular" sick jokes have since been filtered out.

bigben2k · 12-16-2002, 01:05 PM

Well I know I didn't do that, unless they consider a ProCooling thread "explicit"...

Hey, they DO post links: check it out "Link roundup"

Blackeagle · 12-16-2002, 06:28 PM

I was a bit surprised to see Pro Cooling listed under the tech. and info area by that adim. at [H].

But yeah they sure do allow links from the look of theat thread.

11-24-2002, 08:28 PM	#156
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	A little bitching goes a long way. Steve changed the waterblock review yet again! Now Gemini has a "Nice" Spiral design instead of a "revolutionary" design. RAW __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

11-24-2002, 08:51 PM	#158
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	yes they did................ I basicly ripped Steve a new one for not knowing what was going on in his own house. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

11-25-2002, 06:14 PM	#160
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	Jeez, that moronic Steve guy really sounds like a cock freakin' out at BillA for simply pointing out that he fcked his roundup up. Shiz, I can do a better job testing those things in my house with a damn garden hose and flow regulator (you do know what a control valve is, right?). Hey Steve: I throw down the gauntlet to YOU, you asshat (WTF kind of homo sh!t is that, anyway???). Send me those blocks, and I'll give you real data. I'll meet your challenge, if you're man enough to stick to your guns. When I'm done you can crawl under a rock and die of shame, you sack of sh!t. For god's sake, standing behind a terminal and banning people for disagreeing with you, especially when you're horribly wrong, shows what a pussy you are. You want to throw the gauntlet (or lacy glove from your flamer mansex get-togethers) on your site, I'll do the same here. Are you afraid to be proved wrong, cck-boy? The sad thing is that it'll only take a minimum of hardware to do a better job than you, and even with huge inaccuracies in my setup I can get more usable data. This doesn't take a rocket scientist to perform, but you buggered it right and proper. I am revolted to think that anyone might waste their hard-earned money purchasing hardware on your incorrect recommendation. (Sorry if I offended anyone, but that moron really gets under my skin, and I've never been a member over there ... maybe it's just his horrible color scheme puts me in the wrong mood to tolerate his delusions of grandeur). __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

11-25-2002, 06:15 PM	#161
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	(Did I do a good Stevey-boy imitation, or what? That was worthy of an Acadamy Award.) __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

11-25-2002, 07:22 PM	#163
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	Hey, go to [H] and look for a pix of Steve, that is a asshat. Or in common english..........fill in your worst insult. By the way, what got this one going again? I hope that Steve isn't dumb enough to have started something again. Geez the guy just got done screwing up that CPU reveiw, you'd think he'd take a break. Last edited by Blackeagle; 12-14-2002 at 07:59 PM.

10-09-2002, 08:56 PM	#151
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	shh don't tell Steve Procooling readers not welcome in their forums, eh?

10-09-2002, 09:09 PM	#152
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	tacky, tacky - and not true after all he un-banned me when he figured out I wasn't making the big bucks over here so I guess he even permits a select few to post on both forums you're just pissed 'cause you didn't make the cut probably too highbrow

10-09-2002, 11:33 PM	#153
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	I think the comment that Procooling readers weren't welcome was from a "regular poster" over there and not from management. Management's statement was that procooling STAFFERS are not welcome. In my case that is understandable given my tendency to quote "dead English dudes".

10-20-2002, 03:54 PM	#154
Axly Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 20	Hi, My name is Axly, and I'm an alcoh.. uhh.. sorry, wrong forum.. I have no idea how I could miss this place for so long. I've spent the past few days reading as many posts as I can find, cause this is a place where there are no "l337 hax0r fook" bla bla bullsh-t and no 13-y.o mentality. I started off at the Hardforum the same day it opened, and back then it was a completely different attitude there. Nobody knew very much about oc'ing, and everyone tried to help out, and research to help each other.. (sure, most don't know anything there even today) I mostly hang out in the Cool Cases forum, where there are a bit more interesting things to find, but the single most common thread I see there is "I'm gonna buy this and that, and I'm gonna beat you all in 3D-mark" After 2,5 years at H-forum (and loads of other places) I find this goldmine I'll still visit H-forum, but it's been a long long time since I found anything to learn there.. This place has fresh ideas.. they might be a bit far out, and a bit complicated.. but new ideas ___________________________________ Think of H as Woolworths.. It's a huge place, the admins don't have very much time so they're not always in their nicest moods. All sorts of people go there, and in large crowds. Think of Procooling as a more exclusive store.. you sell Armani or something. It's not for the masses, you have to be really in to it, and to be honest.. You look down on the "Woolworth people" Sure, the article was a bit thin.. but I don't think very many of the readers would appreciate a more thorough one. (I would, but that's me.. and why should i complain, I got a so-so comparison of the blocks I won't buy anyway) One thing.. don't go start a flame-war.. not even in this forum. It's very very useless, and can't lead to anything good.

11-24-2002, 08:32 PM	#157
BillA CoolingWorks Tech Guy Formerly "Unregistered" Join Date: Dec 2000 Location: Posts: 2,371.493,106 Posts: 4,440	AND one of their drummer boys locked the thread a new meaning to 'muscular pussies'

11-24-2002, 08:53 PM	#159
dantheman Cooling Savant Join Date: Jun 2001 Posts: 152	I have not been back there since. . . but I also see they said some new stuff with the radiator also.

12-14-2002, 12:44 PM	#165
winewood Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: in my chair Posts: 574	[H]orrendous Journalism Kyle doesn't want you guys to know how he "reviews" things. Check this out... http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/sho...&threadid=5213 __________________ -winewood-

12-14-2002, 06:28 PM	#166
DragonsDream Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: North Carolina Posts: 13	I am a new member here and very new to water cooling. After reading the thread here and what I could at [H]’s website, I wanted to give a new guy option. The idea of water cooling isn’t new to me, I know people have done it for years, and I’ve just now gotten around to trying it myself. When I first started hunting around for information, I could be described like many [H] members. I wanted some one to tell me what block is best. I went around looking for products that got good reviews. After reading more reviews than I can count, I notice that one website would give a good review of a product, where another would give a poor review of the same product. This always sets off bells with me and makes me question why. It seems that the target audience for [H]’s website is the person that wants some body to tell them what products to buy. Anybody can slap a water block, pump and rad into a system and it’s going to work (a general statement) but more than likely won’t provide the best cooling it can. This is where people like BillA come in that give all this numbers and tech data that confuses the [H] members or a lot of people for that matter. That kind of information is for the people that want to know “why” this water block performs better in one setup and not another. It is for people that want to find what rad, what block and what flow rate is going to give the best cooling. It isn’t for the people that just want to be able to say I got water inside my computer. It’s now 4 months later, and I’m still learning a lot every day. The banning that has gone on over at [H] doesn’t surprise me. I have found with many forums on many web sites, there is this attitude among people that they are the one and only person. Many are not willing to answer questions, will flame or even ban if some body questions what they say. I’ve been in several forums where “n00bs” as they call them don’t seem to be welcome because many of them ask too many questions and a lot of times, I’ve seen where they already new more than the person answering the question which has lead to flaming or banning. Just my two cents, I now return you to your normal thread reading. __________________ Now I wish I would have keep my TRS-80.

12-14-2002, 06:50 PM	#167
winewood Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: in my chair Posts: 574	I totally agree... The only thing I despise is inaccurate simple reporting. The simplest way is sometimes the best and preferred way. However, if you have misleading data because you are being too simple, or neglect some very important tests it becomes worthless simple data. Consumer reports is the master of simple data.. sometimes simple minds are the result of simple data gone wrong. __________________ -winewood-

12-14-2002, 07:03 PM	#168
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	A trained chimp can do a waterblock roundup and get it better than the [H] did. That is what ticks me off. For all the n00bs and initiates that see that and think that it is the end all and be all of testing, I'm horrified at what they did. Bad reporting is worse than being stupid: it's spreading stupidity to others. What makes it worse, though, is lashing out at those people that point at the man behind the curtain (Wizard @ OZ ref.). That is beyond stupid. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

12-14-2002, 09:20 PM	#169
phreenet Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: Gloucester, Virginia Posts: 356	Like come on guys, HardOCP is cool and sheit! __________________ Dual Pentium!!! 933@1107 Liquid Cooled.

12-14-2002, 10:45 PM	#170
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	I can't believe you guys are still talking about this shit.

12-16-2002, 10:26 AM	#172
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	In all fairness, I may have been banned because I don't think that they allow posting links, but either way, I wouldn't hang out there, unless I was looking for something very specific. __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

12-16-2002, 01:05 PM	#174
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Well I know I didn't do that, unless they consider a ProCooling thread "explicit"... Hey, they DO post links: check it out "Link roundup" __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

12-16-2002, 06:28 PM	#175
Blackeagle Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: U.S.A = Michigan Posts: 1,243	I was a bit surprised to see Pro Cooling listed under the tech. and info area by that adim. at [H]. But yeah they sure do allow links from the look of theat thread.

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