Starting a new project

hmale · 10-29-2002, 11:25 AM

Hi guys,

I am starting a new project that will ultimately involve cooling a P4 using a yet undetermined water block and a 220/226 Watt TEC. Currently leaning towards a Swiftech 478-UHT.

I have resurrected some components that I have used in the past as I do not want to spend loads of money on this.

The heater core I will be using:

Some specs:
+Fin area: 10" X10" X 2" (278% greater surface area compared to a typical 6" X 6" heater core)
+Overall: 14" X 11" X 2.5"
+Mounting plates
+5/8" inlet and outlet

Cheers!

bigben2k · 10-29-2002, 11:35 AM

Let me guess... It's from a Chrysler.

Linky

Nice one. How do you plan to mount it inside of a case?

hmale · 10-29-2002, 12:05 PM

Hi Ben,

What took you so long to come up with that?? LOL

I figured I would use the following case to accommodate the new setup:

Some manufacturer's specs:
Heavy Duty All Steel Construction
Has Sixteen 5.25" Drive Bays Exposed
Optional Two Internal 3.5" Drive Bays
Dual Motherboard Capability
Accepts Two Power Supplies, or Two Hot Swap Power Supply Systems.
Lockable Front Door for Security
Includes Four Locking Casters
Accepts up to Five Cooling Fans (Optional)
32½"H x 14¼"W x 25"D (with Casters)
Weight = Approx. 70 lbs

Cheers!

g.l.amour · 10-29-2002, 12:39 PM

looks like the same mobo form factor as the case i converted. came from a Pentium Pro dual processor machine.

it looks twice the size my case, and that was already a huge behemoth of a case. u can mount a couple of those rads in there if u want...

g'luck with the project

hmale · 10-29-2002, 01:06 PM

Thanks G.L.

I was able to repair the pump I was hoping to use for this project. It is the Hydrothruster Q2.

I do not have a picture, but here is a blurb from the manufacturer:
"The Hydrothrustor Q2 magnetic drive pump has one pump head on each side of its electric drive. The combined flow of both heads is 1050 g.p.h. at a one foot height. Pressure reaches 9.5 PSI in each head, so that the unit will lift water approximately 21 feet straight up. The unit is quiet, smooth running, and so efficient that it only draws 1.2 amps of electric current."

Additionally, I added a regulator to the pump'c circuitry in order to manage flow rate.

Cheers!

airspirit · 10-29-2002, 01:07 PM

F*ckin' A, dude, that case is a monster.

hmale · 10-29-2002, 09:23 PM

Making some quick progress here. I got the fan that I will be using for the heater core.

Here is the back of the fan...it is reversible BTW

Here is the fan mounted on the heater core

Here are some specs on the fan:
19128 8" Standard Electric Fan
Mounting Area Req'd: 8" x 10" x 2-1/4"
Est. CFM:800
Motor RPM:3000
AMP Draw:4.5

BTW, I cleaned up and polished the heater core..quite a difference from the pictures in the previous post!

Cheers!

nexxo · 10-30-2002, 01:38 PM

What? Was that flagship case not enough?!? You crazy insatiable person, you! Lordy, lordy, lordy, what sort of crazy messed-up world are we bringing our kids into...

hmale · 10-30-2002, 02:11 PM

Nexxo...It's never enough! You know that. LOL

Cheers!

hmale · 10-30-2002, 02:16 PM

I have constructed an airtrap/reservoir assembly using 1/2" and 3/4" clear PVC pipe for the new project.

These are some of the fittings I used:

Here is the finished product attached to the Hydrothruster's inlet:

The pump will be mounted vertically in the case like so:

Well, back to work for me.

Cheers!

mfpmax · 10-30-2002, 02:40 PM

Where did you get that fan!
I need two for my car

hmale · 10-30-2002, 03:19 PM

Here's the link to the fan

http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...61&cgrfnbr=561

Cheers!

nexxo · 10-30-2002, 04:21 PM

OK, where did you get those clear PVC tube components?

Do you know where I can find brass 1/2" barbs, which will screw into 15mm (0.6 inch) ID tubes?

You always come up with that sexy stuff...

hmale · 10-30-2002, 04:29 PM

Here is the link to the clear pvc fittings:
http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/cat...ittings&Page=1

For the brass fittings serach through www.mcmaster.com

Hope this helps.

Cheers!

g.l.amour · 10-30-2002, 05:14 PM

u americans have "fallen with your asses in the butter" as ppl would say in belgium. (don't feel offended , ;-) just means u r really lucky ppl). i wouldn't dream of getting all that stuff from normal web/shops in belgium/europe...

keep us posted dude

Puzzdre · 10-30-2002, 05:18 PM

I'll drop with one from CRO, 'Dropped the spoon rigt into the honey'...

hmale · 10-30-2002, 05:45 PM

You mean "stepping in shit"?

LOL
Cheers!

mfpmax · 10-30-2002, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by g.l.amour
u americans have "fallen with your asses in the butter" as ppl would say in belgium. (don't feel offended , ;-) just means u r really lucky ppl). i wouldn't dream of getting all that stuff from normal web/shops in belgium/europe...

keep us posted dude

Yeah...but the things we lack...are the things everyone else has

I want scrap yards like they have in the UK

hmale · 10-31-2002, 04:33 PM

The motherboard I will be using is built around Intel's new 845PE chipset which offers support for DDR333. There aren't many mobos available yet for this chipset, but I came across a "motherboard shootout" over at www.anandtech.com and came across a motherboard that would ultimately be the one I chose for this project.

Here is a blurb from Anand's site:
"As far as overclocking was concerned, the Albatron PX845PEV Pro ended up doing a fantastic job...we were able to hit 166MHz FSB (this will be the next speed grade Intel hits once Prescott goes online in 2003). This is close to a 600MHz overclock...all on default core voltage...this is quite the feat...the overclocking success doesn't stop there either...Intel officially claims that the 845PE chipset is validated for no higher than DDR333 operation, however we were able to reach as high as 439MHz on default VDIMM...want a high-performing 845PE motherboard, look no further than the Albatron PX845PEV Pro"

Well, here it is...the Albatron PX845PE Pro:

The Albatron board coupled with a 2.4G P4 and a stick of Corsair XMS3200 should lay down the foundation for a potentially high overclock.

That's it for today...Cheers!

hmale · 11-18-2002, 11:00 PM

I am starting to receive some of the additional products, I will be using to bring this project to completion.

Here is a picture of the package I received from Sidewinder Computers:

The PSU is manufactured by Samlex under the Meanwell brand. It is the S-320-12 model. 320 Watts/12 Volts/25 Amps

I received some dielectric greese which will be used to prevent condensation within and around the Ziff Socket area. The obligatory round cable is shown here also:

The fan you see here measures 40 mm X 25 mm. It is manufactured by Evercool and is a highly rated fan for its size, spinning at 9000 rpm. The fan will be used to cool the Albatron's chipset. As a side note, my wife thinks the grille is cute...sigh.

And speaking of the chipset, Case-Mod.com sent me a Zalman chipset cooler:

Also from Case-Mod, is 15' of ClearFlex 60 tubing.

That's it for today.

Oh, BTW, I am expecting a package from Swiftech tomorrow...

Cheers!

mfpmax · 11-18-2002, 11:26 PM

I've got those round cables.

One day I may get that power supply...

FRAGN'STIEN · 11-18-2002, 11:35 PM

Nice hmale. Glad to see your back at it. What did you do with that Lytron modular cooler you won on ebay?

hmale · 11-18-2002, 11:43 PM

I will be receiving that Lytron modular system on Thursday.

I will modify it by replacing its radiator with a heater core (7.375" X 7.25") and a 115V Comair-Rotron Falcon fan (rated at 300 CFM) I have lying around. I also intend to make it 1/2" throughout.

After that I will be using it as part of a test bed I am working on.

Who needs an Exos by Koolance when you have ebay?

Cheers!

FRAGN'STIEN · 11-19-2002, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by hmale

Who needs an Exos by Koolance...?

Cheers!

Heh. I didn't even think that was an option

hmale · 11-21-2002, 08:29 AM

Well, it finally arrived; the Swiftech 478-UHT block. This block is designed to water-cool a P4 processor using 1/2" barbed fittings.

Additional cooling is provided through the use of a 226 Watt TEC

Here is the package I received from Xtekwerkz,

This is a top view of the unassembled block:

Notice the fine workmanship as evidenced by the smooth surface of the cold plate in this bottom view:

Also note, in the picture above, the 8 screws that are used to sandwich the TEC between the cold plate and the actual block. For TECs to operate properly sufficient clamping pressure must be applied.

In the following picture, you have a clear view of the TEC and the cold plate/block sandwich.

This picture shows the block with the 1/2" barbs attached:

The following picture shows the mounting mechanism used for P4 boards:

It looks like we now have all the basic components that will be used in this project. We should be ready to put a bow around this one...after a few modifications of course!

That's it for now...Cheers!

10-29-2002, 11:25 AM	#1
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	Starting a new project Hi guys, I am starting a new project that will ultimately involve cooling a P4 using a yet undetermined water block and a 220/226 Watt TEC. Currently leaning towards a Swiftech 478-UHT. I have resurrected some components that I have used in the past as I do not want to spend loads of money on this. The heater core I will be using: Some specs: +Fin area: 10" X10" X 2" (278% greater surface area compared to a typical 6" X 6" heater core) +Overall: 14" X 11" X 2.5" +Mounting plates +5/8" inlet and outlet Cheers!

10-29-2002, 11:35 AM	#2
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Let me guess... It's from a Chrysler. Linky Nice one. How do you plan to mount it inside of a case? __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

10-29-2002, 01:06 PM	#5
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	Thanks G.L. I was able to repair the pump I was hoping to use for this project. It is the Hydrothruster Q2. I do not have a picture, but here is a blurb from the manufacturer: "The Hydrothrustor Q2 magnetic drive pump has one pump head on each side of its electric drive. The combined flow of both heads is 1050 g.p.h. at a one foot height. Pressure reaches 9.5 PSI in each head, so that the unit will lift water approximately 21 feet straight up. The unit is quiet, smooth running, and so efficient that it only draws 1.2 amps of electric current." Additionally, I added a regulator to the pump'c circuitry in order to manage flow rate. Cheers! Last edited by hmale; 10-30-2002 at 05:47 PM.

10-29-2002, 01:07 PM	#6
airspirit Been /.'d... have you? Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,986	F*ckin' A, dude, that case is a monster. __________________ #!/bin/sh {who;} {last;} {pause;} {grep;} {touch;} {unzip;} mount /dev/girl -t {wet;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} {fsck;} echo yes yes yes {yes;} umount {/dev/girl;zip;} rm -rf {wet.spot;} {sleep;} finger: permission denied

10-29-2002, 09:23 PM	#7
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	Update Making some quick progress here. I got the fan that I will be using for the heater core. Here is the back of the fan...it is reversible BTW Here is the fan mounted on the heater core Here are some specs on the fan: 19128 8" Standard Electric Fan Mounting Area Req'd: 8" x 10" x 2-1/4" Est. CFM:800 Motor RPM:3000 AMP Draw:4.5 BTW, I cleaned up and polished the heater core..quite a difference from the pictures in the previous post! Cheers!

10-29-2002, 12:05 PM	#3
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	Hi Ben, What took you so long to come up with that?? LOL I figured I would use the following case to accommodate the new setup: Some manufacturer's specs: Heavy Duty All Steel Construction Has Sixteen 5.25" Drive Bays Exposed Optional Two Internal 3.5" Drive Bays Dual Motherboard Capability Accepts Two Power Supplies, or Two Hot Swap Power Supply Systems. Lockable Front Door for Security Includes Four Locking Casters Accepts up to Five Cooling Fans (Optional) 32½"H x 14¼"W x 25"D (with Casters) Weight = Approx. 70 lbs Cheers!

10-29-2002, 12:39 PM	#4
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	looks like the same mobo form factor as the case i converted. came from a Pentium Pro dual processor machine. it looks twice the size my case, and that was already a huge behemoth of a case. u can mount a couple of those rads in there if u want... g'luck with the project

10-30-2002, 01:38 PM	#8
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	What? Was that flagship case not enough?!? You crazy insatiable person, you! Lordy, lordy, lordy, what sort of crazy messed-up world are we bringing our kids into... __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

10-30-2002, 02:11 PM	#9
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	Nexxo...It's never enough! You know that. LOL Cheers!

10-30-2002, 02:16 PM	#10
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	update I have constructed an airtrap/reservoir assembly using 1/2" and 3/4" clear PVC pipe for the new project. These are some of the fittings I used: Here is the finished product attached to the Hydrothruster's inlet: The pump will be mounted vertically in the case like so: Well, back to work for me. Cheers! Last edited by hmale; 11-18-2002 at 11:04 PM.

10-30-2002, 02:40 PM	#11
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	Where did you get that fan! I need two for my car __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

10-30-2002, 03:19 PM	#12
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	Here's the link to the fan http://www.jegs.com/cgi-bin/ncommerc...61&cgrfnbr=561 Cheers!

10-30-2002, 04:21 PM	#13
nexxo Cooling Savant Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brimingham, UK Posts: 385	OK, where did you get those clear PVC tube components? Do you know where I can find brass 1/2" barbs, which will screw into 15mm (0.6 inch) ID tubes? You always come up with that sexy stuff... __________________ "There is a thin line between magic and madness"

10-30-2002, 04:29 PM	#14
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	Here is the link to the clear pvc fittings: http://www.usplastic.com/catalog/cat...ittings&Page=1 For the brass fittings serach through www.mcmaster.com Hope this helps. Cheers!

10-30-2002, 05:14 PM	#15
g.l.amour Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: on da case Posts: 933	u americans have "fallen with your asses in the butter" as ppl would say in belgium. (don't feel offended , ;-) just means u r really lucky ppl). i wouldn't dream of getting all that stuff from normal web/shops in belgium/europe... keep us posted dude

10-30-2002, 05:18 PM	#16
Puzzdre Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Croatia Posts: 969	I'll drop with one from CRO, 'Dropped the spoon rigt into the honey'... __________________ 'Out of cheese error... ...please reboot the universe (press the GBL to continue)'

10-30-2002, 05:45 PM	#17
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	You mean "stepping in shit"? LOL Cheers!

10-31-2002, 04:33 PM	#19
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	Update: Mobo The motherboard I will be using is built around Intel's new 845PE chipset which offers support for DDR333. There aren't many mobos available yet for this chipset, but I came across a "motherboard shootout" over at www.anandtech.com and came across a motherboard that would ultimately be the one I chose for this project. Here is a blurb from Anand's site: "As far as overclocking was concerned, the Albatron PX845PEV Pro ended up doing a fantastic job...we were able to hit 166MHz FSB (this will be the next speed grade Intel hits once Prescott goes online in 2003). This is close to a 600MHz overclock...all on default core voltage...this is quite the feat...the overclocking success doesn't stop there either...Intel officially claims that the 845PE chipset is validated for no higher than DDR333 operation, however we were able to reach as high as 439MHz on default VDIMM...want a high-performing 845PE motherboard, look no further than the Albatron PX845PEV Pro" Well, here it is...the Albatron PX845PE Pro: The Albatron board coupled with a 2.4G P4 and a stick of Corsair XMS3200 should lay down the foundation for a potentially high overclock. That's it for today...Cheers!

11-18-2002, 11:00 PM	#20
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	Update I am starting to receive some of the additional products, I will be using to bring this project to completion. Here is a picture of the package I received from Sidewinder Computers: The PSU is manufactured by Samlex under the Meanwell brand. It is the S-320-12 model. 320 Watts/12 Volts/25 Amps I received some dielectric greese which will be used to prevent condensation within and around the Ziff Socket area. The obligatory round cable is shown here also: The fan you see here measures 40 mm X 25 mm. It is manufactured by Evercool and is a highly rated fan for its size, spinning at 9000 rpm. The fan will be used to cool the Albatron's chipset. As a side note, my wife thinks the grille is cute...sigh. And speaking of the chipset, Case-Mod.com sent me a Zalman chipset cooler: Also from Case-Mod, is 15' of ClearFlex 60 tubing. That's it for today. Oh, BTW, I am expecting a package from Swiftech tomorrow... Cheers!

11-18-2002, 11:26 PM	#21
mfpmax Cooling Savant Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Rockledge,FL,US Posts: 731	I've got those round cables. One day I may get that power supply... __________________ My old and retired watercooling setup. Watercooled K6-2 450 at 600 Also Retired - Watercooling an XP1800@1782MHz

11-18-2002, 11:35 PM	#22
FRAGN'STIEN Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Rathdrum, ID Posts: 380	Nice hmale. Glad to see your back at it. What did you do with that Lytron modular cooler you won on ebay? __________________ This space for rent

11-18-2002, 11:43 PM	#23
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	I will be receiving that Lytron modular system on Thursday. I will modify it by replacing its radiator with a heater core (7.375" X 7.25") and a 115V Comair-Rotron Falcon fan (rated at 300 CFM) I have lying around. I also intend to make it 1/2" throughout. After that I will be using it as part of a test bed I am working on. Who needs an Exos by Koolance when you have ebay? Cheers! Last edited by hmale; 11-19-2002 at 12:44 AM.

11-21-2002, 08:29 AM	#25
hmale Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: MIami, Florida Posts: 169	Well, it finally arrived; the Swiftech 478-UHT block. This block is designed to water-cool a P4 processor using 1/2" barbed fittings. Additional cooling is provided through the use of a 226 Watt TEC Here is the package I received from Xtekwerkz, This is a top view of the unassembled block: Notice the fine workmanship as evidenced by the smooth surface of the cold plate in this bottom view: Also note, in the picture above, the 8 screws that are used to sandwich the TEC between the cold plate and the actual block. For TECs to operate properly sufficient clamping pressure must be applied. In the following picture, you have a clear view of the TEC and the cold plate/block sandwich. This picture shows the block with the 1/2" barbs attached: The following picture shows the mounting mechanism used for P4 boards: It looks like we now have all the basic components that will be used in this project. We should be ready to put a bow around this one...after a few modifications of course! That's it for now...Cheers!

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