Has anyone tried the new "Cuplex PRO" ?

[Gungrefjaert]

Has anyone of you guys tried the Aqua computer : "Cuplex PRO" waterblock ?

You can see it Here :

http://www.studiedata.dk/productitem...=WCAC504&Fane=

Or did you see any reviews of it ?

Thanx

[greenman100]

no. and it sucks.

[Gungrefjaert]

Originally Posted by greenman100

no. and it sucks.

Why does it suck ? What's that statement Based on ?

I know that the old blocks from Aqua computer are more for looks than performance but this one seems a bit more "serious" .

[bigben2k]

Remind us, is it German or from Ozland?

Not likely to be reviewed state-side.

[greenman100]

I was kidding, to show the response you're likely to get from here

[Gungrefjaert]

I've been hangin' here for quite some time and I know the European blocks usualy gets alot of critique 'round here. I'm not thinking of buying it ( I'll go for a 6002 swiftech ) but we just recieved them at the company I work at, and I don't know a thing about it yet :-(
Thats pretty bad, since I'm the guy who will be selling them :-) I'm one of those "trying to offer good honest advice" salesmen, but its pretty hard when you don't recieve any "good" data from the manufacturer and can't find any decent reviews.

Bigben2K.... It's German ( what's Ozland ? )

[davidzo]

http://www.google.com/search?q=cuple...utf-8&oe=utf-8

why would somebody use google before? - yes its only 854links

[Gungrefjaert]

Should have known that one would be thrown at me :-)

I hoped for some input from an owner or someone who had seen a good review.

I guess I'll just have to do it the hard way.

[Gungrefjaert]

By the way Davidzo.....Theres nothing like a review in german translatet through babbelfish :-)
If you can point me to one of the 845 reviews/links thats even close to being good, I'd be happy ( and surpriced ) :-)
I'm not trying to offend you in any way- I just didn't find what I was looking for searching Google.

[JWFokker]

http://www.watercoolplanet.de/index....enum=1&show=51

Looks good. It's #7 on their list for top performance, but until you get to the NexXos XP (#1), they're all effectively tied.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by JWFokker

http://www.watercoolplanet.de/index....enum=1&show=51

Looks good. It's #7 on their list for top performance, but until you get to the NexXos XP (#1), they're all effectively tied.

He was looking for a good unbiased review.

[Gungrefjaert]

the Cascade in as number.......11 . Hmmmmm

[Cathar]

Looks like it'd be a decent enough block.

Am proud that the Cascade made it to #11 on that testbed even after being user-modified, hacked, and then run completely out of spec. Would rather that the block was tested as designed, but what can you do? :shrug:

[Gungrefjaert]

I guess customers will start talking about the block in a few weeks. That info should do the trick as far as being able to talk a bit about the thing. It's easier to sell things if you have a few "real life stories" to give people some kind of idea of what to expect. Happy customers are worth alot more money too :-)

Thanx for all your replys so far.

[JWFokker]

Originally Posted by jaydee116

He was looking for a good unbiased review.

They're biased against American blocks sure, but between European blocks, I think it's a decent comparison.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by JWFokker

They're biased against American blocks sure, but between European blocks, I think it's a decent comparison.

That's not exactly what I ment. I ment biased as in testing procedures and methods. Not biased against who makes what blocks.

[davidzo]

they are not really biased against american blocks
I know Otti quite good and know he isn't biased or cheating or so.
They test with 12 mountings as far as i know and take the average of the 10 best.
Their equipment is just not the best, try our kaltmacher.de, they have a little better testbed and test with different flowrates and much more.
A Cascade can't really performs low with a small pump as an eheim 1046 and a radiator with tube and fins. I would say it like cathar, it is still a good result for the block testet in an fully other enviroment as it was designed for.
I wouldn't state that it has been user-modified or hacked, because that is not proved and I am pretty sure that it isn't so.

[jaydee]

Originally Posted by davidzo

I wouldn't state that it has been user-modified or hacked, because that is not proved and I am pretty sure that it isn't so.

It most certainly was but Cathar can point out how.

[Cathar]

The Cascade clearly had non-standard barbs fitted. I had no control over what was done to it as it went to WCP by way of a private sale. Normally when blocks are reviewed they come direct from the maker, or at the very least, are configured as the maker intended.

Check out Procooling's low-flow results with the same blocks as measured by WCP:

http://www.procooling.com/html/pro_testing.php

Procooling's results, even at really low flows (~0.5gpm), agrees with by my own testing, and a third independent properly setup industry tested.

Adjusting for the scale of the results, the difference between and RBX and a Cascade at the sorts of flow rates that the WCP testbed is pushing should be around the 2.0C mark, and not the 0.5C presented there. Again comparing to the Maze 4 we would have expected to see a ~7C difference, and not the 5C difference shown. i.e. a Cascade block would normally perform from 1.5-2.0C better than shown at the WCP site.

Given the low-flow prowess of the MCW6000, I can also clearly understand why Bill Adams/Swiftech desperately want WCP to review/rate the MCW6000 as Bill knows that down at the WCP testbed's flow-rates the MCW6000 will be performing a touch better than the Cascade, and I'm sure that Bill has already had a Cascade through his testbed to know what's what.

IMO, there was clearly something awry with the Cascade block tested, but the whole affair was conducted totally outside of my control, including the user modifications done to the block.

I'm tired of repeating this though.

BTW davidzo, continuing from the waterblock material thread, I have a number Alphacool blocks here and for the ones that have see through tops I've been able to measure the size of their main cooling contact patch as being the same as that of the Cascade.

This leads me to believe that your continual comments on the Cascade vs "German" blocks really are without basis or fact, and merely based upon your subjective opinion. It is becoming quite clear at this point that you have no real idea as to how the Cascade block looks internally, its internal dimensions, nor how it is meant to look.

[nigelyuen]

cathar, are you gonna show us the result of the block alphacool sent you?
i have been waiting for weeks

[BillA]

davidzo
do you have an e-mail address for Otti ?
I contacted him and he responded, but since then all my e-mails to him bounce ??
or he can re-contact me at bill.adams@nospam.swiftnets.com (pull the "nospam.")

Thanks

[Cathar]

Originally Posted by nigelyuen

cathar, are you gonna show us the result of the block alphacool sent you?
i have been waiting for weeks

The blocks are now on their way to Phaestus for review. I was just a stepping stone to get them to Procooling.

[pHaestus]

I will have to consult with my attorneys prior to posting any reviews of Alphacool products

[Cathar]

Originally Posted by pHaestus

I will have to consult with my attorneys prior to posting any reviews of Alphacool products

Just don't say anything that could be remotely construed as negative, regardless of its basis in irrefutable fact, and you'll do just fine.

TBH - there's a number of things I've wanted to say, both positive and negative, but thought I'd just leave it to you Phaestus.

[BillA]

coward (did you apply to the the procooling legal defense fund ?)
lol