Hack a Snap Sever 1000?

[re3dyb0y]

I have a Maxtor Diamond max 9? 80gb (133 i think) and they both work fine in it.

Errm, there are loads of free network software..... Let me think

[rami]

Originally Posted by HLouie

Currently I have a Snap Server 1000, 2000, 4100.
Is there a software program for testing network traffic performance?

Has anyone other been able to update there BIOS on any model with any BIOS?

1000, 1100, 2000, 2200, all are fairly slow

the 4000 and 4100 are MUCH faster, and upgrading the Ram on them to 256mb or more improves response when 20-30 users are accessing them at the same time.


other than file transfers and monitoring from the pc with network traffic monitors, there are no other tools to monitor these snapservers.

the newer , higher end units do allow this level of monitoring with snap manager software.

[re3dyb0y]

If you want transfer rate monitoring, that will be able to be done with some network software

[meister_sd]

Cringer,
I think I might be able to help. I have a couple of snap servers (1100, 2200 and soon a 2000) and if I throw one of your HDs in my system - it should boot. From there we can get the data back over the network. Email me at:

meister_sd [at] hotmail [dot] com

[meister_sd]

Now to the "biggest hard drive" question.

My 2200: 200 gig x2 Mirrored
My 1100: 250 gig

[kasandoro]

Originally Posted by zcx2005

Inspired by earlier posts I just successfully upgraded the hdd on my Snap 1000.

FWIW, here's the details.

Model: 1000 series
Software: 3.4.803
Hardware: 3.1.1
BIOS: 2.1.363

Hard Disk: Quantum Fireball lct15
Capacity: 30GB nominal

New Disk: Hitachi 7K250 120GB UDMA100 7200 rpm 8MB cache

Here's the steps I used.

1. Backed up all the data from the Snap.

2. Connected to http://<snap1000>/config and formatted the disk.

3. Connected Quantum disk as Primary Master and Hitachi disk as Primary Slave. Used an 80 wire IDE cable connected to built in UDMA100 controller on Abit VP6 motherboard.

4. Booted Knoppix 3.7 from DVD-ROM drive.

5. From a terminal window

$ dmesg | grep hd

reports...
hda: QUANTUM etc.
hdb: HDS722512VLAT80 (HITACHI)

$ su
# dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb bs=1M

reports
28629+1 records in
28629+1 records out
30,020,272,128 bytes transferred in 2161 seconds (36 minutes)

Why the 1M block size for the dd command?
Earlier posts reported success with this!

Why dd the whole of the disk?
To reproduce all the file system metadata on the new disk.

6. Rejumpered the Hitachi as Master and fitted to Snap.

7. Booted Snap, checked a ping to its IP, and connect to http://<snap1000>/config.

Disk Utilities, View Disk Status showed disk capacity as about 29MB.

8. Connect to http://<snap1000>/config/debug and do

'config devices format 1000 /reinit'

then

'reboot'.

9. On the reboot the new disk formats and is then ready for use.

View Disk Status now shows 115,424 MB free.

10. Kept the old Quantum drive as a backup in case the OS is needed again. I also made a copy of the drive to an old Maxtor 5T040H4 just in case.


Nothing here that hasn't been on this forum before, except that the upgrade works with the Hitachi Deskstar 7K250 120GB drive. The Snap is now a lot faster and quieter, although the speed of data transfers is limited by the network interface. The best I've seen is 2MB/sec.

Thanks to all on this forum who made this upgrade possible.

zcx

This method worked PERFECTLY for me! I'm using a WD 80GB, ATA-133 drive now in a Snap 1100. Bravo! Finally, after a couple of years of tinkering, it works!

[re3dyb0y]

How do i decompile the .sup files like people did before to find out the contents of them?


Thanks

Sam

[stav99]

Is it my imagination, or has www.snapappliance.com redone their site and no longer has a path to that latest 'free' Snap OS upgrade: ver.3.4.803? I thought the site used to work differently, and I'm looking for that file there but can't seem to land it. Am I out to lunch - or have they reorganized their site offerings since joining Adaptec? If that is the case, does anyone have that ver.3.4.803 download and update instructions? Thank you.

stav99

[kasandoro]

Originally Posted by stav99

Is it my imagination, or has www.snapappliance.com redone their site and no longer has a path to that latest 'free' Snap OS upgrade: ver.3.4.308? I thought the site used to work differently, and I'm looking for that file there but can't seem to land it. Am I out to lunch - or have they reorganized their site offerings since joining Adaptec? If that is the case, does anyone have that ver.3.4.308 download and update instructions? Thank you.

stav99

I'd just like to download the 4.0 version...the one I got from Adaptec wont' install on my server..says it's the wrong version or something like that.

[Terry Kennedy]

Originally Posted by kasandoro

I'd just like to download the 4.0 version...the one I got from Adaptec wont' install on my server..says it's the wrong version or something like that.

The 4.0.860 you can download from Adaptec will only upgrade an existing 4.0 server - it doesn't have the 3-to-4 upgrade passkey in it. 4.0.830 does have the passkey - I'm not sure about other 4.0 versions.

[stav99]

Originally Posted by kasandoro

I'd just like to download the 4.0 version...the one I got from Adaptec wont' install on my server..says it's the wrong version or something like that.

#1) Kasandoro, what version of OS do you have currently? if you downloaded the Adaptec offering of 'SnapOS 4.0.860 Upgrade', that patch was expecting you to have an earlier version of 4.x loaded already. In an earlier post, I think I see you reporting the following diagnostics - "Software: 3.4.803". This might be a reason for the 4.0.860 failure.

#2) Actually, I transposed the numbers on the version I'm looking for. The last 'free' 3.x version was "3.4.803" and I'm wondering if anyone has it and can post it to the Snappers FTP site: ftp://********/ ? I'm late to the HDD upgrade game by a couple of years, but am working on getting my Snap 1000 15GB Quantum replaced by a 80GB drive I just bought. I'm still at ver.3.4.790 and just want to optimize the process.

#3) Not long ago in this thread (April 19 2005), DavesWorld mentioned that Adaptec was allowing a download of the "latest version 4 without the support". Would that download allow an upgrade from ver.3.4.x to ver.4.x? Does anybody still have that download if it allowed 3x to 4x? If it did allow upgrades from 3.x to 4.x that would also be a great posting the the FTP site - as I'm not so sure it is still hanging around Adaptec.

#4) There are posts suggesting to use the FTP site's snap1000.bin file to overlay your HDD using the dd command. The .bin file apparently has version 3.4.805 of the OS. Is this really the most direct way I should go about my HDD & OS upgrade? Kind of like getting both things I want in one procedure. And it is ..805 which is a patch or two above ..803!

- Any thoughts appreciated. Thank you.

[meister_sd]

Does anyone actually have the bios update program for the 2000 or other models? My 2000 is 1.2.180 but I've seen another at 2.0.252. How can I get it? Snaps old download links don't work anymore and Adaptec doesn't supply it.

[tricklebowski]

Hi folks, finally i found your discussion on Snap Servers. I've been working for weeks to install new harddrives to our Snap 2200. If I had found this discussion earlier, it would have saved much time. So I had to figure it out the hard way. I cloned the disks with dd_rescue under Knoppix and it seems to work, except the server does not recognize the real size of the new harddisks, but I hope i can see to that soon. By the way, the new drives are Maxtors with 200 GB. I hope they work with full space.
Earlier in this discussion someone asked for pictures of the motherboard of the Snap 2200. Is there still a need for that? I can post a picture within the next week, as soon as i can lay my hands on the server.
Finally I've got a question regarding to the reinit command. How do I figure out, what Logical Device I need to reinit? My server contains 2 harddisks, but i don't have a "config devices info" output at the moment.

[meister_sd]

To fix the drive space problem, you have to reinitalize the disk from debug:

http://{servername}/config/debug
type: config devices info

Then you will see your hard drive, and probably 10000 but maybe 10010.

type: config devices format 10000 /reinit

It will tell you at next reboot it will be done. Then reboot the server and it will be done.
Remember, it is going to format the disk too, so dont' have any info on it.

[ISPDr]

G'Day Guys,

Moved everything over to commercial hosting so have some spare snap bits for sale (guessing this will be most useful for Australia readers etc - Im based in Sydney NSW).

1 x SNAP 4100 - v4.083 / Java / ServerSync (reg) w/ 4x WD 60gb Hds, 256Mb Ram, all SW
1 x SNAP 4100 - v4.083 / Java / ServerSync (reg) w/ 4x WD 40gb Hds, 256Mb Ram, all SW
1 x SNAP 4100 for parts: Board Good, Case / Rails Good, No HD Brackets, PS Needs Fuse

If anyone is interested, then please contact me directly and we'll see what we can do!

Matt: matt@ispdr.net.au - 0416241624

[tricklebowski]

So, now i'm about to fix the size problem. I typed the command in the debug line as you told me, and it seemed to work, but i can't access the server now. The system light is flashing rapidly and i don't hear anything going on my harddisk. How long does it take for a server to come up after an "reinit"? I installed two 200GB disks and "reinited" one. It already takes half an hour and i am unsure if to wait longer.

[meister_sd]

The server should come up in under 5 minutes. If unplugging the server and rebooting it doesn't work, try doing a factory reset - the big one where the reset is pushed 4 times. If all else still fails, put the old hard drives back in and let it boot to see if it will come back up.

[ron310]

Originally Posted by meister_sd

To fix the drive space problem, you have to reinitalize the disk from debug:

http://{servername}/config/debug
type: config devices info

Then you will see your hard drive, and probably 10000 but maybe 10010.

type: config devices format 10000 /reinit

It will tell you at next reboot it will be done. Then reboot the server and it will be done.
Remember, it is going to format the disk too, so dont' have any info on it.

This is what I see:

05/11/2004 7:26:17 Command: config devices info

Logical Device: 10000 Position: 1 JBOD Size (KB): 131650600 Free (KB): 131518896 Public Mounted
Label: Drive1 Disk 1
Unique Id: 0x21D1275B6E73CD4E Mount: /0 Index: 1 Order: 1
Partition: 10000 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 133475800 Starting Blk: 92549 Public
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 134217216 Fixed

Logical Device: 10006 Position: 0 JBOD Size (KB): 32296 Free (KB): 32144 Private Mounted
Label: Private Contains system files only
Unique Id: 0x21D1275B6E73CD4E Mount: /priv Index: 0 Order: 0
Partition: 10006 Physical: 10007 FS Size (KB): 32768 Starting Blk: 515 Private
Physical: 10007 Drive Slot: 0 IDE Size (KB): 134217216 Fixed

Logical Device: 10008 Position: 2 JBOD Size (KB): 131650600 Free (KB): 131518896 Public Mounted
Label: Drive2 Single disk
Unique Id: 0x09D78DB62698ACC6 Mount: /1 Index: 2 Order: 2
Partition: 10008 Physical: 1000F FS Size (KB): 133475800 Starting Blk: 92549 Public
Physical: 1000F Drive Slot: 1 IDE Size (KB): 134217216 Fixed


------------
Command executed without error.

If I reinitialize disk 10000 and 10008 (assuming those are the ones I should do),
It reboots but still shows only 128GB on each disk (they are 250GB each)

Here are the rest of my specs:

Model Software Hardware Serial# BIOS
2000 series 3.1.608 (US) 1.1.0 20589 1.2.180

Any suggestions?

[meister_sd]

ron310,

Your problem is the Snap 2000. With Hardware Version 1.1.0, it will only go upto 120 Gig. One with version 2.0.0 will go upto 160 Gig. You could get a snap 2200, which will hold upto 250 gig drives each, total of 500 Gig. A Snap 1100 will go over 300 Gig, I've heard 400!

[Terry Kennedy]

Originally Posted by meister_sd

Your problem is the Snap 2000. With Hardware Version 1.1.0, it will only go upto 120 Gig. One with version 2.0.0 will go upto 160 Gig. You could get a snap 2200, which will hold upto 250 gig drives each, total of 500 Gig. A Snap 1100 will go over 300 Gig, I've heard 400!

Are you sure that's it? 48-bit addressing didn't make it into SnapOS until 3.4.805, and the poster is running 3.1.608, so he'd never get over 128GB anyway.

[ron310]

so there is no possible way I can get this thing to see over 120 - 160 Gigs per drive??

Theres no upgrading, flashing, anything right?

I just want to make sure before i buy (2) 120 gig drives, throw them in and ebay it.....

[Davesworld]

Originally Posted by Terry Kennedy

Are you sure that's it? 48-bit addressing didn't make it into SnapOS until 3.4.805, and the poster is running 3.1.608, so he'd never get over 128GB anyway.

Actually, the limit is around 137GB which is really what a 140GB drive would yield if anyone made 140GB drives. Without lba 48, a 160GB would show up as 137 so you would have 20GB wasted. Yes, you are correct, his version of SnapOS would never go over the 137GB (approximately) limit. Without upgrading to version 3.4.805 first or preferably and more attainable, version 4.x, any efforts would be a complete waste of time.

[Davesworld]

Originally Posted by Terry Kennedy

The 4.0.860 you can download from Adaptec will only upgrade an existing 4.0 server - it doesn't have the 3-to-4 upgrade passkey in it. 4.0.830 does have the passkey - I'm not sure about other 4.0 versions.

I hadn't considered this since I was already running 4.x. I did find the last 4.x released in December that I believe is complete with the passkey so I snagged it.

[ron310]

So I'm not limited by the hardware, but rather the OS?

If I purchase version 4 of the software, could I drop [2] 250 gig drives in there?

I'm really confused now :shrug:

[meister_sd]

I have a few Snaps now and have seen minor variations based on hardware version. I have a Snap 2000 with a hardware version of 1.1.0 and the Snap will "see" over 200 Gig, but can't format it or handle a formatted drive. It will "see" over 200 gig, but won't format it - it will error out. I know someone with a 2000 and hardware version 2..0.0 that took the pre-formatted 160 I had and could see it and use it. Mine with hardware version 1.1.0 won't. The bios will upgrade to a version based on your hardware version and the base numbers are equal. Example, my hardware version is 1.1.0 and my bios is 1.2.180. My friends hardware is 2.0.0 and the bios is 2.0.252. It all goes hand-in-hand. When you do an OS upgrade, your bios will get upgraded to the maximum of the hardware version (at least from what I have personally experianced).

Also, you don't have to purchase v4. It's free from adaptec. The OS update is the same for the 1000, 1100, 2000, 2200 and 4100. I can say this because I own all of those and used the same .sup file to upgrade them all. You may be able to upgrade the 4200 and higher, but I don't know. Here is a link to adaptec, and remember, the OS is the same for all of them.

http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/sup...e=supportindex

I don't see this as a violation for linking, because it comes from the vendor.

I've also seen that the 4100 can "see" very large drives, but will only format to 130 gig. I put a 200 gig into mine and it saw it all, but after the format, it was only 130... :-(

So, from what I see, the real limit is a combination of hardware version and biod.. When Snap/Adaptec wants to put out a version that has larger drives, it is done at their bidding. The two exeptions I've seen are the 1100 and 4000. They can use very large drives.

The version 4 that has the total upgrade, that I've seen, is v4.0.830. I believe there is one other under 830.