Hopefully Clawhammer will set a precedent for AMD...

Kevin · 02-14-2002, 12:26 PM

"Hammer processors will be provided with an HIS metal lid improving the heat dissipation from the processor die and protecting it against mechanical damages."
Been reading that quote a lot. It would be nice to see them implement that, starting w/ thoroughbreads.
-Kev

Brad · 02-14-2002, 06:19 PM

I don't think it will happen with the TBred because we haven't heard about it yet. For quite a few months before release we knew about the IHS on the tuallie and P4, and we already know about the hammer, yet we haven't heard a thing about the TBred at this stage

melvyn · 03-02-2002, 11:37 AM

While using an IHS to protect the core and improve heat transfer to a larger HSF is a good idea, I think this will be the first step with AMD multiplier-locking processors. Many people are happy with joining the L1's, even if the XP's need more work filling the holes, but I don't think that many people (apart from the hardcore enthusiasts) will go to the length of removing the IHS for fear of damaging the processor.

Then again, with chipsets such as the KT266a and KT333 that can run a high FSB with dividers to keep the PCI and AGP interfaces in spec, this may not be much of an issue.

Kevin · 03-02-2002, 02:51 PM

Hehe i'll remove it

Brad · 03-02-2002, 02:53 PM

they might just be unlocked by default anyway

melvyn · 03-02-2002, 11:29 PM

We can hope they're unlocked.

I guess that all depends on how much of a business threat AMD views the possibility of resellers passing lesser chips off as faster ones and impacting their profit margin. Wasn't that (remarking) the reason Intel cited when they started locking P2's?? It's a long time ago, and the ol' grey matters not what it was.

WebMasta33 · 03-03-2002, 01:47 AM

Don't expect too much from the hammer...

It's not TRUE .13 micron die. It's a mix of .18 and .13 micron die, that's why the power consumption isn't that much less than the current XP processors. So don't expect too much of a leap with the hammer.

mkosem · 03-05-2002, 10:06 PM

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It's not TRUE .13 micron die. It's a mix of .18 and .13 micron die, that's why the power consumption isn't that much less than the current XP processors. So don't expect too much of a leap with the hammer.

what the hell are you talking about? The palomino is a mix of .13 and .18µ. Thoroughbred cpu's will be full on .13µ fab. Depending on which hammer chip you are talking about, I believe clawhammer will be starting on a .10µ process and then the hammer line should shrink more.

--Matt

Brad · 03-06-2002, 03:09 PM

mk is right. axia tbirds onwards are a mix of .13 and .18, but all the hammers are fully .18

cristoff · 03-06-2002, 03:15 PM

why are they going higher... thats stupid... geese... just make the best you can and sell it for cheap... hehe...

mkosem · 03-06-2002, 11:00 PM

eerrrrr, brad, you mean fully .13 right?

--Matt

Brad · 03-06-2002, 11:50 PM

hehe yes, I mean the hammers will be fully .13u

cristoff · 03-07-2002, 05:41 PM

hehe.. .okay... just making sure you got that right...

02-14-2002, 12:26 PM	#1
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Hopefully Clawhammer will set a precedent for AMD... "Hammer processors will be provided with an HIS metal lid improving the heat dissipation from the processor die and protecting it against mechanical damages." Been reading that quote a lot. It would be nice to see them implement that, starting w/ thoroughbreads. -Kev __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

02-14-2002, 06:19 PM	#2
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	I don't think it will happen with the TBred because we haven't heard about it yet. For quite a few months before release we knew about the IHS on the tuallie and P4, and we already know about the hammer, yet we haven't heard a thing about the TBred at this stage __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-02-2002, 02:51 PM	#4
Kevin Slacking more than your weird uncle Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: San Diego, CA (UCSD) / Los Angeles, CA (home) Posts: 1,605	Hehe i'll remove it __________________ I used to throw hot coffee all over the ass of the horse there, then whip him while he was kickin' at me. Those f***in things are crazy.

03-02-2002, 02:53 PM	#5
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	they might just be unlocked by default anyway __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-03-2002, 01:47 AM	#7
WebMasta33 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 526	Don't expect too much from the hammer... It's not TRUE .13 micron die. It's a mix of .18 and .13 micron die, that's why the power consumption isn't that much less than the current XP processors. So don't expect too much of a leap with the hammer. __________________ ========== --Soyo KT333 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) --AMD 1.4 @ 1.54 (11x) --768mb of PC2100 (@140FSB) --Asus v8200 GeForce3 @ 210/490 --Maxtor 40gb Quiet + 2 IBM 40gb 60GXPs (removable) + 8gb WD --Audigy --Maze 3, DD Gf3 block, 2x BIX, Eheim1250 ===========

03-02-2002, 11:37 AM	#3
melvyn Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 69	While using an IHS to protect the core and improve heat transfer to a larger HSF is a good idea, I think this will be the first step with AMD multiplier-locking processors. Many people are happy with joining the L1's, even if the XP's need more work filling the holes, but I don't think that many people (apart from the hardcore enthusiasts) will go to the length of removing the IHS for fear of damaging the processor. Then again, with chipsets such as the KT266a and KT333 that can run a high FSB with dividers to keep the PCI and AGP interfaces in spec, this may not be much of an issue.

03-02-2002, 11:29 PM	#6
melvyn Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 69	We can hope they're unlocked. I guess that all depends on how much of a business threat AMD views the possibility of resellers passing lesser chips off as faster ones and impacting their profit margin. Wasn't that (remarking) the reason Intel cited when they started locking P2's?? It's a long time ago, and the ol' grey matters not what it was.

03-06-2002, 03:09 PM	#9
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	mk is right. axia tbirds onwards are a mix of .13 and .18, but all the hammers are fully .18 __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-06-2002, 03:15 PM	#10
cristoff Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Posts: 185	why are they going higher... thats stupid... geese... just make the best you can and sell it for cheap... hehe... __________________ fr33t3chi3

03-06-2002, 11:00 PM	#11
mkosem Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2001 Location: here Posts: 494	eerrrrr, brad, you mean fully .13 right? --Matt __________________ If you can't cool it, blow it up!! http://www.mattkosem.com

03-06-2002, 11:50 PM	#12
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	hehe yes, I mean the hammers will be fully .13u __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-07-2002, 05:41 PM	#13
cristoff Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mass Posts: 185	hehe.. .okay... just making sure you got that right... __________________ fr33t3chi3

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