New Radiator Ideas...

Powerhouse · 03-29-2002, 06:13 PM

Hmmm wonder if I should patent this or not (don't want to get screwed like Fixxit's Spiral), but I don't have the time or resources to do this.

Anyway on to the idea...

It occured to me that Radiators aren't very effective, the pipes they use are often too big and just snaked up and down a few times with air blowing over them. Wouldn't it be better to have the entrance tube (at say 3/8ID) split into several smaller tubes (that equal the same 3/8ID when added together) and have they snake through the radiator instead?

With this setup, the smaller pipes would expose more of the water to the cool air blowing against the tubes, which should keep the water at ambient temperature. Plus you could use smaller radiators that would be more effecient than the largest ones currently out today.

Anyone have an opinion on this?

Cyco-Dude · 03-29-2002, 06:32 PM

lol, what rock have you been living under do0d? that is exactly how heater cores and the Black Ice radiators work. the water flows thru several thin tubes in parrallel, with the fins between the thin tubes.

Powerhouse · 03-29-2002, 06:56 PM

Personally I have never seen the Black Ice up close, but all the other radiators have the same size tube as the rest of the system running through them (and I assumed the Black Ice to be the same).

Just so I will know, how many tubes does the Black Ice split into, and what size are they? Do you know off hand?

Cyco-Dude · 03-29-2002, 07:12 PM

im not sure...i think the BI prime has 3 parrallel channels that make 4 passes, while the BIX has 6 parrallel channels that make 2 passes.
here you can clearly see the tubes between the fins. they are as deep as the radiator btw.

on a side note, that BIX looks niiiice...

Brad · 03-29-2002, 08:47 PM

almost all rads two years ago were just one pass, but all the rads that are popular now, BI's, Heatercores, whatever, all are multipass setups

#Rotor · 03-30-2002, 10:31 AM

cars have been using the better radiator design for ... eerrmmm about 1000 years now...

a car designed and built in 1987...

it's just us bunch of geeks that thinks it's a new thing... that's all

oh and I think Leonardo Da vinci has the patent on the modern day Radiator, as well as the bicycle chain, and a whole stack of other things.... I would not be surprized to find a water-block in his stuff somewhere, either.... that guy is\was a time traveler, I'm sure of it....

Heavy_Equipment · 03-30-2002, 11:16 AM

Sounds like Powerhouse has been using a tranny cooler.

Powerhouse · 03-30-2002, 12:14 PM

Actually what I was trying to get across, was to have the main tube going into the radiator split into 10 or more small tubes (about the size of a spagetti noodle each). So a 10mm tube would produce 10, 1mm tubes.

From the sounds of it, the BIX is going more in the direction of what I was picturing.

redleader · 03-30-2002, 12:18 PM

You're describing a heatercore.

03-29-2002, 06:13 PM	#1
Powerhouse Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 25	New Radiator Ideas... Hmmm wonder if I should patent this or not (don't want to get screwed like Fixxit's Spiral), but I don't have the time or resources to do this. Anyway on to the idea... It occured to me that Radiators aren't very effective, the pipes they use are often too big and just snaked up and down a few times with air blowing over them. Wouldn't it be better to have the entrance tube (at say 3/8ID) split into several smaller tubes (that equal the same 3/8ID when added together) and have they snake through the radiator instead? With this setup, the smaller pipes would expose more of the water to the cool air blowing against the tubes, which should keep the water at ambient temperature. Plus you could use smaller radiators that would be more effecient than the largest ones currently out today. Anyone have an opinion on this?

03-29-2002, 06:56 PM	#3
Powerhouse Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 25	Black ICE has small tubes??? Personally I have never seen the Black Ice up close, but all the other radiators have the same size tube as the rest of the system running through them (and I assumed the Black Ice to be the same). Just so I will know, how many tubes does the Black Ice split into, and what size are they? Do you know off hand?

03-29-2002, 08:47 PM	#5
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	almost all rads two years ago were just one pass, but all the rads that are popular now, BI's, Heatercores, whatever, all are multipass setups __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

03-30-2002, 12:14 PM	#8
Powerhouse Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 25	New Rads.... Actually what I was trying to get across, was to have the main tube going into the radiator split into 10 or more small tubes (about the size of a spagetti noodle each). So a 10mm tube would produce 10, 1mm tubes. From the sounds of it, the BIX is going more in the direction of what I was picturing.

03-29-2002, 06:32 PM	#2
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	lol, what rock have you been living under do0d? that is exactly how heater cores and the Black Ice radiators work. the water flows thru several thin tubes in parrallel, with the fins between the thin tubes.

03-29-2002, 07:12 PM	#4
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	im not sure...i think the BI prime has 3 parrallel channels that make 4 passes, while the BIX has 6 parrallel channels that make 2 passes. here you can clearly see the tubes between the fins. they are as deep as the radiator btw. on a side note, that BIX looks niiiice...

03-30-2002, 10:31 AM	#6
#Rotor Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dione, sector 4s1256 Posts: 852	cars have been using the better radiator design for ... eerrmmm about 1000 years now... a car designed and built in 1987... it's just us bunch of geeks that thinks it's a new thing... that's all oh and I think Leonardo Da vinci has the patent on the modern day Radiator, as well as the bicycle chain, and a whole stack of other things.... I would not be surprized to find a water-block in his stuff somewhere, either.... that guy is\was a time traveler, I'm sure of it....

03-30-2002, 11:16 AM	#7
Heavy_Equipment Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Newmarket, Ontario, Canada Posts: 282	Sounds like Powerhouse has been using a tranny cooler.

03-30-2002, 12:18 PM	#9
redleader Thermophile Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: The deserts of Tucson, Az Posts: 1,264	You're describing a heatercore.

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