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Unread 03-30-2002, 11:15 AM   #1
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Good reason NOT to use clear Epoxy!!! And Spiral problems...



Doh!!! Should have added screws. While I was milling this:


I heard some weird water dripping noise, took me a while to figure out what it was. Sigh, bad day and it is only 9:15am. That was my 3rd attemp at my Spiral and it is messed up and now $100 XP1600 is probably toast. Still undetermined.

Well i have one more optimization to the code for the Spiral and that should fix all my problems wit hthe backlash causing the channel to collaps. the first pass dosn't follow the right path because of to much backlash to I will cut the first one in at 1/64" instead of the 1/16" it is now. That should do it, but I have to change all the code again. First two passes at 1/64" and the rest at 1/16" will work good. The second two passes worked great, but the first was off.
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Unread 03-30-2002, 11:20 AM   #2
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isnt that y fixitt uses o-rings and screws?
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Unread 03-30-2002, 11:24 AM   #3
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isnt that y fixitt uses o-rings and screws?
One of the reasons, but as you can see an O ring will not work on this block. Not enough room for it. I designed my Spiral to work with an O ring, but it is a small Spiral. Would ork great as a GPU or north bridge cooler though.
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Unread 03-30-2002, 11:35 AM   #4
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ah ok i c i thought the block that leaked wuz that spiral at the bottom...yea the channels are pretty close to the edge of the block, too bad, cool lookin block
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Unread 03-30-2002, 11:49 AM   #5
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The XP1600 Boots up, but not sure if it works right or not. Going to put it in my main sytem and see if it works in it.
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Unread 03-30-2002, 12:15 PM   #6
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Woooo Hoooo the XP1600 works just fine. Once the mobo dries out I will test it. It should work though. I have had a few other similar disasters that didn't harm the mobo. They are a lot tougher than people think.
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Unread 03-30-2002, 12:25 PM   #7
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Yeah, from my experience, if electronics get wet, they wont work while wet... but if you hair dryer them for awhile it usually seems to fix them right up. Honestly, all the components on those mobos are sealed air tight. The water just shorts the hell out of everything..

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hey Jay, epoxy could work fit you roughed up the surfaces to be bonded. Give it something to lock onto instead of 2 smooth surfaces. Try it, I would recomend sandblasting, but rough sand paper should do it.
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Unread 03-30-2002, 02:17 PM   #9
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geez - you guys are lucky... when my H2O block on a peltier leaked, I lost my CPU, my mobo, and my video card...
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Unread 03-30-2002, 02:39 PM   #10
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Instead of using epoxy - would something like marine goop not work better.
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it prolly would work better, but would look horrid if its not clear
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Unread 03-30-2002, 02:56 PM   #12
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Yeah it needs to be clear with a acrylic top or it really defeats the purpose. I have some exellent epoxy for non acrylic tops which is made to bond metal together and it works great when used with screws. My Aluminum water block #1 on my site was epoxied with this stuff and it is still solid to this day. But the stuff is a nasty greenish grey color and cannot be used with acrylic anyway. The Clear Epoxy stuck to the Copper OK on this one but it did not stick to the acrylic. It just poped right off when I took the mounting nuts off.

I want to go the O ring route but I cannot find any locally (on a Saturday)that will fit right.

Got the code ready for the Spiral so I am going to give it another shot. Be bcak in an hour.
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Unread 03-30-2002, 03:04 PM   #13
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What..... NO HAND WHEELS????? come one man your slackin!!!!!!

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Rought up the tops a bit.
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Unread 03-30-2002, 04:19 PM   #14
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What..... NO HAND WHEELS????? come one man your slackin!!!!!!

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I know, I figure I paid $900 extra for the CNC package so I should get around to using it!!

Well here it is "The Super (mini) Spiral".



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well, its.......... small all right.


alot of wasted space, but I see plenty of room for an O ring.

maybe you could curve your outlet a bit more around the spiral and have it end somewhere between the mounting holes. that would deffonitly give you anought room for the o-ring

Most O rings are .100 thick
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well, its.......... small all right.


alot of wasted space, but I see plenty of room for an O ring.

maybe you could curve your outlet a bit more around the spiral and have it end somewhere between the mounting holes. that would deffonitly give you anought room for the o-ring

Most O rings are .100 thick
Remeber that one pic you showed me. The size of this Spiral would work just about right on this 2"x3" block!!! Hmmmm....
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GO FOR IT!!!!!!! I dont mind, but remember its MY DESIGN!


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what about making an oval spiral? we are bound to 50mm wide, but most of the time we can go to 80mm long. we can just make the channels 3/8" wide in the 50mm axis, and say have them go out to 1/2" - 5/8" on the 80mm axis
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I would not get to it for some time, But I think it would work well. Something to work on on my upcoming road trip. And no I would not try to sell it either!! There is only two blocks I may consider selling in the future and those are all my design.
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what about making an oval spiral? we are bound to 50mm wide, but most of the time we can go to 80mm long. we can just make the channels 3/8" wide in the 50mm axis, and say have them go out to 1/2" - 5/8" on the 80mm axis
Yes, I thought about this. I have something on the drawing board similar to this except it will not be a genuin spiral, it will have strait lines in other words but it will wind around like a spiral. As for now though I am leaving all the real Spiral stuff to Fixittt where it belongs. I may do that one secret on in the future just to see if I can though.
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As the problem is getting something to stick to the acrilic, why not go for something like this line as it will bond the acrilic and might well bond the "easier" copper.

http://www.ipscorp.com/wo_html/weldonhome.html
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As the problem is getting something to stick to the acrilic, why not go for something like this line as it will bond the acrilic and might well bond the "easier" copper.

http://www.ipscorp.com/wo_html/weldonhome.html
All kinds a good stuff there!!!
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