Website for Panaflo's ?

Divided · 05-05-2002, 12:16 AM

I need new panaflo's for my radiator and case.. anyone know a good place (website) that has all the different models for cheap?

ECUPirate · 05-05-2002, 01:17 AM

http://www.mpja.com has very cheap 80mm panaflo L1A's... less than $3 a pop.

http://www.caseetc.com has the others, including 120mm for as cheap as I've seen.

Brad · 05-05-2002, 02:18 AM

allelectronics.com is another. pH has a nice link to a surplus store

GHz · 05-05-2002, 04:46 AM

www.plycon.com also sells panaflo fans. Good site, ordered from them a couple of times.

FRAGN'STIEN · 05-05-2002, 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad
allelectronics.com is another. pH has a nice link to a surplus store

Yes allelectronics does have the cheapest anywhere. I havent seen them cheaper but you can also try http://www.inflowdirect.com they may not be the cheapest but they have a good selection.

ECUPirate · 05-05-2002, 11:47 PM

Quote:

pH has a nice link to a surplus store

Brad: what r u referring to?

btw, mpja.com has the panaflo 80mm's for cheaper than allelectronics.com

ECUPirate · 05-06-2002, 12:19 AM

Oh my God, guess what I just found! http://www.meci.com/default.asp?cat_...tems&curpage=3

a papst 120mm fan for $4.95!!! -model 4314, 100CFM. Here's the rub; it's a 24v fan. According to my catalog, it's voltage range is 12-28v. Will this fan start at 12v, and will it even be effective?

Also, is there a way to wire up a smaller, higher-voltage supply for the fans? 24v would be nice, but even 15v would be cool. I checked mpja.com, but I don't know what I'm looking for.

Cyco-Dude · 05-06-2002, 12:22 AM

ive heard of ppl wiring up AT PSUs to get more than 12volts.

as for being effective @ 12volts, theres one good way to find out!!

(they're only 5 bucks..do it...do it man hehe)

ECUPirate · 05-06-2002, 12:26 AM

I'm going to. Would one of these PSU's do the trick?
http://www.meci.com/default.asp?mode...s&category=507

Brad · 05-06-2002, 03:35 AM

when papst give a voltage range it will mean they will all start up with 12v, at least when new. Often they'll run at less than 12v as well.

http://www.papstplc.com/downloads/catalog.pdf is their most recent catalouge

ECUPirate · 05-06-2002, 10:52 AM

Good. I would still like to have the option of running fans at 24v, so if anyone has setup something like this, or knows what PSU I should get that would be great.

Divided · 05-06-2002, 05:55 PM

if i was you i'd also pay attention to the amperage that the 24v 120mm fan is drawing..

ECUPirate · 05-06-2002, 05:57 PM

it should draw half as many amps as a similar 12v fan. (same wattage, different voltage=different amps)

MeltMan · 05-06-2002, 06:53 PM

that 157w psu has more than enough umph to run quite a few papst fans

ECUPirate · 05-06-2002, 06:57 PM

what is that -12v for? or the -5v on regular PSUs???

ECUPirate · 05-06-2002, 07:03 PM

also, what exactly is a "switching" PSU?

Brad · 05-07-2002, 02:46 AM

-12 and -5 are for some old left over crap from AT psu's.

switching psu's are ones that use mosfets and stuff to generate power, not just a simple transformer

gmat · 05-07-2002, 03:18 AM

Mmhh that's not the real difference Brad

Switching PSUs transform AC current to DC current by 'switching' AC current through different loops. When AC is positive it runs through the 1st loop and end up positive... when the AC is negative it runs through the other loop and it's 'reversed' so it ends up positive as well:

Code:

/\  /\   ---> /\/\/\/\
  \/  \/
   AC        switched AC

After all that it runs through the usual filters and mosfets to get something smooth.
Switching = low cost, low efficiency, low reliability
But those are the only PSU's one can afford without spending an arm and a leg.
Other PSU's are 5x more expensive and bulky but pack lots of punch, and voltage never drops when current load is high. they are based on *series* of transformers and use very progressive transformations of sinus to line (triangle, then square, then line)

Code:

/\  /\   ---> /\  /\   --> +--+  +--+  --> ---------
  \/  \/        \/  \/     |  |__|  |
sinus AC      triangleAC
(well imagine a sinus in ASCII :)

There are even more elaborate manners of producing DC current, but i will not overload this forum with tech babble

Brad · 05-07-2002, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gmat
There are even more elaborate manners of producing DC current, but i will not overload this forum with tech babble

like a battery?

points taken though

gmat · 05-07-2002, 03:41 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad

like a battery?

Uhhh yeah i didnt think of that at first hand

but it wont power PCs like ours for more than a few seconds...
Was thinking about thyristors coupled with a pulse length modulator, looped back with a self stabilizing 3-stage filter. I used that to feed a 24000V / 10A plasma generator... (oh price ? well over $100 000).

Brad · 05-07-2002, 04:53 AM

240kw? geez. what was the cooling like on that?

gmat · 05-07-2002, 07:30 AM

Cryogenic, liquid helium frozen for the plasma and ultravoid parts. We used CTi Cryogenics modules and cryopumps. The main cryopump looked so damn good i even took photos (i have them somewhere on my HD if you want them).
The current generator itself had so good efficiency and low losses it was only air cooled with 120mm fans (4 or 5 of them).

Divided · 05-07-2002, 06:26 PM

let see some pics of that bad mother.. liquid helium cooled.. sounds like a project

John Galt · 05-08-2002, 10:44 AM

As a seller of the panaflo models shown on allelectronics and mpja, it must be noted that they are L models, not L1A. I have a few hundred of these L models and can safely say that the 3rd pin does NOT put out an RPM monitoring signal.

I've only tested this briefly, but I'm pretty sure.

Just a heads up.

05-05-2002, 12:16 AM	#1
Divided Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: NY, USA Posts: 81	Website for Panaflo's ? I need new panaflo's for my radiator and case.. anyone know a good place (website) that has all the different models for cheap? __________________ Pentium IV 1.8A NW @ 2.65Ghz Alpha Heatsink w/ Panaflo H1A ASUS P4S533 Mobo 512Mb Mushkin Level2 DDR-SDRAM VisonTek GeForce3 Ti500 (254/540Mhz) 2 x 60Gig Seagate HD's W.D. Caviar 8Mb Buffer - 80Gig HD HighPoint Rocket404 Raid Controller Plextor 40/12/40A CD-RW

05-05-2002, 01:17 AM	#2
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	http://www.mpja.com has very cheap 80mm panaflo L1A's... less than $3 a pop. http://www.caseetc.com has the others, including 120mm for as cheap as I've seen. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-05-2002, 02:18 AM	#3
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	allelectronics.com is another. pH has a nice link to a surplus store __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

05-05-2002, 04:46 AM	#4
GHz Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Rochester, NY Posts: 16	www.plycon.com also sells panaflo fans. Good site, ordered from them a couple of times. __________________ "Force is an illusion. It is a byproduct of warped space."

05-06-2002, 12:19 AM	#7
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	Oh my God, guess what I just found! http://www.meci.com/default.asp?cat_...tems&curpage=3 a papst 120mm fan for $4.95!!! -model 4314, 100CFM. Here's the rub; it's a 24v fan. According to my catalog, it's voltage range is 12-28v. Will this fan start at 12v, and will it even be effective? Also, is there a way to wire up a smaller, higher-voltage supply for the fans? 24v would be nice, but even 15v would be cool. I checked mpja.com, but I don't know what I'm looking for. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-06-2002, 12:22 AM	#8
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	ive heard of ppl wiring up AT PSUs to get more than 12volts. as for being effective @ 12volts, theres one good way to find out!! (they're only 5 bucks..do it...do it man hehe)

05-06-2002, 12:26 AM	#9
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	I'm going to. Would one of these PSU's do the trick? http://www.meci.com/default.asp?mode...s&category=507 __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-06-2002, 03:35 AM	#10
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	when papst give a voltage range it will mean they will all start up with 12v, at least when new. Often they'll run at less than 12v as well. http://www.papstplc.com/downloads/catalog.pdf is their most recent catalouge __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

05-06-2002, 10:52 AM	#11
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	Good. I would still like to have the option of running fans at 24v, so if anyone has setup something like this, or knows what PSU I should get that would be great. __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-06-2002, 05:55 PM	#12
Divided Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: NY, USA Posts: 81	if i was you i'd also pay attention to the amperage that the 24v 120mm fan is drawing.. __________________ Pentium IV 1.8A NW @ 2.65Ghz Alpha Heatsink w/ Panaflo H1A ASUS P4S533 Mobo 512Mb Mushkin Level2 DDR-SDRAM VisonTek GeForce3 Ti500 (254/540Mhz) 2 x 60Gig Seagate HD's W.D. Caviar 8Mb Buffer - 80Gig HD HighPoint Rocket404 Raid Controller Plextor 40/12/40A CD-RW

05-06-2002, 05:57 PM	#13
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	it should draw half as many amps as a similar 12v fan. (same wattage, different voltage=different amps) __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-06-2002, 06:53 PM	#14
MeltMan Cooling Savant Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: KS Posts: 374	that 157w psu has more than enough umph to run quite a few papst fans __________________ MeltMan Lurker Supreme!

05-06-2002, 06:57 PM	#15
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	what is that -12v for? or the -5v on regular PSUs??? __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-06-2002, 07:03 PM	#16
ECUPirate Hottest Stank of them All Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Washington, DC area Posts: 533	also, what exactly is a "switching" PSU? __________________ Does a radioactive cat have 18 half lifes? --Kenny my pimpin' rig: ...previously poorly cooled... 486DX-2 66mhz @ 75mhz, 4Mb ram, shared, 256Mb hard drive Onboard VGA, watercooled, of course 16-color monitor, labtec speakers, 28kbs USRobotics modem Windows XP (think about it) Maze 3, DDen GF3 block, Eheim 1250, econoline van HC, 1/2" hose w/ 5/8" fittings Comair 172mm fan

05-07-2002, 02:46 AM	#17
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	-12 and -5 are for some old left over crap from AT psu's. switching psu's are ones that use mosfets and stuff to generate power, not just a simple transformer __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

05-07-2002, 03:18 AM	#18
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Mmhh that's not the real difference Brad Switching PSUs transform AC current to DC current by 'switching' AC current through different loops. When AC is positive it runs through the 1st loop and end up positive... when the AC is negative it runs through the other loop and it's 'reversed' so it ends up positive as well: Code: /\ /\ ---> /\/\/\/\ \/ \/ AC switched AC After all that it runs through the usual filters and mosfets to get something smooth. Switching = low cost, low efficiency, low reliability But those are the only PSU's one can afford without spending an arm and a leg. Other PSU's are 5x more expensive and bulky but pack lots of punch, and voltage never drops when current load is high. they are based on series of transformers and use very progressive transformations of sinus to line (triangle, then square, then line) Code: /\ /\ ---> /\ /\ --> +--+ +--+ --> --------- \/ \/ \/ \/ \| \|__\| \| sinus AC triangleAC (well imagine a sinus in ASCII :) There are even more elaborate manners of producing DC current, but i will not overload this forum with tech babble

05-07-2002, 04:53 AM	#21
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	240kw? geez. what was the cooling like on that? __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

05-07-2002, 07:30 AM	#22
gmat Thermophile Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: France Posts: 1,221	Cryogenic, liquid helium frozen for the plasma and ultravoid parts. We used CTi Cryogenics modules and cryopumps. The main cryopump looked so damn good i even took photos (i have them somewhere on my HD if you want them). The current generator itself had so good efficiency and low losses it was only air cooled with 120mm fans (4 or 5 of them).

05-07-2002, 06:26 PM	#23
Divided Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: NY, USA Posts: 81	let see some pics of that bad mother.. liquid helium cooled.. sounds like a project __________________ Pentium IV 1.8A NW @ 2.65Ghz Alpha Heatsink w/ Panaflo H1A ASUS P4S533 Mobo 512Mb Mushkin Level2 DDR-SDRAM VisonTek GeForce3 Ti500 (254/540Mhz) 2 x 60Gig Seagate HD's W.D. Caviar 8Mb Buffer - 80Gig HD HighPoint Rocket404 Raid Controller Plextor 40/12/40A CD-RW

05-08-2002, 10:44 AM	#24
John Galt Cooling Neophyte Join Date: May 2002 Location: Carmel, IN Posts: 1	As a seller of the panaflo models shown on allelectronics and mpja, it must be noted that they are L models, not L1A. I have a few hundred of these L models and can safely say that the 3rd pin does NOT put out an RPM monitoring signal. I've only tested this briefly, but I'm pretty sure. Just a heads up.

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