Check it out, new hardware (rad & pump)

Hellion_Prime · 05-09-2002, 11:34 AM

I was going to post these last night, but I got my copy of Jedi Knight II, so that promptly killed several hours right there. Anyway, I got my new heatercore yesterday, its a 9x9x2 from Autozone, had to be ordered because none of the local stores had it in stock. Check it out:

Here's a shot of the back showing the mounting flange, which was one of the main reasons I decided on this model:

And this brings us to the new pump, which is a Little Giant 3-MD-SC mag drive pump:

Haven't had a real chance to play with either of them as yet, have to cut the hosebarbs off and solder on 1/2" npt fittings to the radiatior and adapt the 3/4" inlet down to 1/2" on the pump. I'll keep y'all posted.

--HP

Gnozo · 05-10-2002, 07:26 AM

Looks good, that heatercore is quite big eh? Care to convert those numbers to cm?

What block are you using?

pompoen · 05-10-2002, 08:29 AM

hi Gnozo

1 inch = 2.54 cm

----> 9 x 9 x 2 == 22.86 x 22.86 x 5.08 cm

Gnozo · 05-10-2002, 11:32 AM

pompoen: thx....nice to see someone who don't use that "stupid" inch thing

pompoen · 05-10-2002, 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Gnozo
pompoen: thx....nice to see someone who don't use that "stupid" inch thing

yeah count me in for the inch/farhenheit/feet - haters

why use inch for radiators and mm for fans ?

UnaClocker · 05-10-2002, 01:17 PM

Hrmph! Farenheit is inherantly more accurate. Even if you resort to decimals, Farenheit with decimals is STILL more accurate.

And your pretty well stuck with waterblocks and hoses using SAE measurements on the hoses.. 3/8" 1/2", etc..

Just look what happend to Nasa when they tried to go metric, they missed Mars. ;> heheheh

pompoen · 05-10-2002, 05:12 PM

the farhenheit scale is by definition inaccurate then Kelvin/Celsius. Why? because 0 and 100 degrees, the marker points are respectivly the coolest you can get water before it freezes and normal body-temp. Yes you can get water below 0°C before it starts to freeze if you are very carefull. The botom line is that body temp is clearly not a constant and they have been able to remain water as a liquid below what farhenheit ment to be 0 degrees. At my school using farhenheit is strictly forbidden hehe.
The inch is as accurate as the metre but its my opinion that 1/2, 3/0, 1/32 inch isnt that easy to visualize as just a number but that hase nothing to with inch or metre

anyway, i dont mean a thing with this , its just a thought

Cyco-Dude · 05-10-2002, 05:36 PM

the farhenheit scale is accurate enough, it just doesnt make as much sense (or rather, as easy to understand) as the celcius scale lol. i can use em both tho, oo, arent i talented

FRAGN'STIEN · 05-10-2002, 11:50 PM

I want that pump

Haddy · 05-11-2002, 12:00 AM

inches just is good for songs like "20 inches when it rolls out" no cm would sound moronic "50.8cm when it rolls out"....c sounds stupid (who can convert inch->cm, I CAN!! hehe)

............i use f to do outside temp and i use c on all my computer temps, just cause thats how i learned both.....

deeznuts · 05-11-2002, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by pompoen
the farhenheit scale is by definition inaccurate then Kelvin/Celsius. Why? because 0 and 100 degrees, the marker points are respectivly the coolest you can get water before it freezes and normal body-temp. Yes you can get water below 0°C before it starts to freeze if you are very carefull. The botom line is that body temp is clearly not a constant and they have been able to remain water as a liquid below what farhenheit ment to be 0 degrees. At my school using farhenheit is strictly forbidden hehe.

i don't get what you are trying to say. celsius and farenheit are just basically two different scales. here is the formula
T(F) = T(C) x 9/5 + 32. just a simple formula like that leaves me to believe there is no inherent difference in accuracy, except for the size of the units.

if anything Farenheit is more accurate than celsius because the units are smaller. unless i am reading your post wrong, everything you just said that was wrong with F can be applied to C scale as well?

pompoen · 05-11-2002, 06:35 AM

good point but ...

the formula isnt entirly correct its only an approach

This is what happened.

Mr Farhenheit defined the farhenheit scale by two marker points
1) 0 degrees was de coolest you can get water before it freezes
2) 100 degrees was his body-temp

Today people have succeeded to cool water more and more before it starts to freeze, yes thats true under special conditions (without changing preassure offcourse) you can get water below 0°C. But this means the farhenheit scale shifts every time they succeeded to cool down water even further.
Second, body temp changes all the time, its 37.5 °C on average but not all the time. How could you define what 100 degrees F should be :shrug:

this is not ''my point of view'' or my opinion this are facts

offcourse for everyday use the F-scale is usable

AND ... i dont want make a big deal off this, i only mentioned it

deeznuts · 05-11-2002, 03:07 PM

umm, i still don't understand what the heck you just said.

i don't know what they taught you at school, looks like some anti-F propaganda to me. if i am not mistaken, and i very well could be, 0F is not what is freezing. it is 32F. and body temp is 98.6F give or take. i have never heard about Mr Farenheit predefining specific points like that, and those points you listed are wrong anyway.

pHaestus · 05-11-2002, 04:09 PM

Not sure where you come up with the idea that one scale is more accurate than another? Maybe you don't mean accurate* at all? Chemists, engineers, physicists (people who regularly need to be accurate with temperature sometimes to 0.001) use either C or K (interchangable). Farmers, cookbooks, and laymen use F; not for its accuracy but because it's "what their pa used".

*If you mean that there are more numbers between freezing and boiling (180 unstead of 100) then that doesn't really mean one measure is more accurate than another. The instrument you use to measure temperature is what will determine the accuracy not the scale. If your thermometer isn't accurate enough to give C to a decimal place, then the F reading you get will have the same error.

pompoen · 05-11-2002, 05:03 PM

ok guys i give another try

you can cool water beneath 0°C or 32degrees farhenheit without freezing it. At this time -38°C ( -36.4 F according to the formula ) is the coldest sientists can get water before it freezes. Mr Farhenheit defined 0 degrees F as the coldest you can cool water before it freezes. But when he lived, one did not have cooled water that far ( obviously it was before www.procooling.com

). 0 F was -17.77°C.
What a scale needs to be accurate is good marker points that are constant and can be reproduced. Thats not the case for the F scale

now its time to chill and forget about it

If you dont believe it ... well ... i wont care

deeznuts · 05-11-2002, 05:21 PM

see that's the thing, i have never seen this theory of Mr. F saying that 0F is the coldest you can get water to without freezing it. i guess that's why he started his scale at 0, but that doesn't change anything right? how does what you are saying not apply to celsius? 0C is supposed to be freezing, but you can get it much lower now you say. well Celsius needs an adjustment too right? they are all arbitrary numbers, and like pHaestus says, the measuring device will determine the accuracy. Mr. Farenheit says 0 was the lowest you can get water without freezing, and now they get it down to -20F or whatever, fine, now we make an adjustment, its -20F.

with a mathematical formula, X degrees in farenheit, will always, and i mean always, be Y degrees in celsius. there is no way for one to be more accurate than the other. the creators might have been incorrect, but their scales remain the same.

Pinkster · 05-12-2002, 05:34 AM

that pump looks sweet... on http://www.littlegiant.com/ which model no is it? im thinking it might be model 581503 or something... in which case... its frigging huge

also when you get it running let us know the noise level...

Hellion_Prime · 05-13-2002, 01:29 AM

Yeah, it is a 581503. Its pretty quiet, actually. Not as quiet as my Eheim 1250, but the LG does have a cooling fan in the motor, so a little more noise is not unreasonable. As far as performance/flow rate differences between the two, its night and day. I'll update when I've had it running for a while. Just hooked it up a few hours ago.

--HP

05-09-2002, 11:34 AM	#1
Hellion_Prime Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arlington, MA, US Posts: 90	Check it out, new hardware (rad & pump) I was going to post these last night, but I got my copy of Jedi Knight II, so that promptly killed several hours right there. Anyway, I got my new heatercore yesterday, its a 9x9x2 from Autozone, had to be ordered because none of the local stores had it in stock. Check it out: Here's a shot of the back showing the mounting flange, which was one of the main reasons I decided on this model: And this brings us to the new pump, which is a Little Giant 3-MD-SC mag drive pump: Haven't had a real chance to play with either of them as yet, have to cut the hosebarbs off and solder on 1/2" npt fittings to the radiatior and adapt the 3/4" inlet down to 1/2" on the pump. I'll keep y'all posted. --HP __________________ That which does not kill me had BETTER do enough damage to keep me from firing back!

05-10-2002, 07:26 AM	#2
Gnozo Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 105	Looks good, that heatercore is quite big eh? Care to convert those numbers to cm? What block are you using? __________________ AMD XP1700+ @ JIUHB 12 x 202 Epox 8RDA+ Samsung PC2700 512mb Asus V8420 TI4200 Eheim 1048 - Maze1 - AirPlex EVO240 - Lian Li PC-61

05-10-2002, 08:29 AM	#3
pompoen Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: belgium Posts: 41	damm stupid american standards hi Gnozo 1 inch = 2.54 cm ----> 9 x 9 x 2 == 22.86 x 22.86 x 5.08 cm

05-10-2002, 11:32 AM	#4
Gnozo Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 105	pompoen: thx....nice to see someone who don't use that "stupid" inch thing __________________ AMD XP1700+ @ JIUHB 12 x 202 Epox 8RDA+ Samsung PC2700 512mb Asus V8420 TI4200 Eheim 1048 - Maze1 - AirPlex EVO240 - Lian Li PC-61

05-10-2002, 01:17 PM	#6
UnaClocker Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2000 Location: Bremerton, WA Posts: 514	Hrmph! Farenheit is inherantly more accurate. Even if you resort to decimals, Farenheit with decimals is STILL more accurate. And your pretty well stuck with waterblocks and hoses using SAE measurements on the hoses.. 3/8" 1/2", etc.. Just look what happend to Nasa when they tried to go metric, they missed Mars. ;> heheheh __________________ The UnaClocker Watercooler Extraordinaire! Overclock till it goes BOOM!

05-10-2002, 05:12 PM	#7
pompoen Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: belgium Posts: 41	the farhenheit scale is by definition inaccurate then Kelvin/Celsius. Why? because 0 and 100 degrees, the marker points are respectivly the coolest you can get water before it freezes and normal body-temp. Yes you can get water below 0°C before it starts to freeze if you are very carefull. The botom line is that body temp is clearly not a constant and they have been able to remain water as a liquid below what farhenheit ment to be 0 degrees. At my school using farhenheit is strictly forbidden hehe. The inch is as accurate as the metre but its my opinion that 1/2, 3/0, 1/32 inch isnt that easy to visualize as just a number but that hase nothing to with inch or metre anyway, i dont mean a thing with this , its just a thought

05-10-2002, 05:36 PM	#8
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	the farhenheit scale is accurate enough, it just doesnt make as much sense (or rather, as easy to understand) as the celcius scale lol. i can use em both tho, oo, arent i talented

05-10-2002, 11:50 PM	#9
FRAGN'STIEN Cooling Savant Join Date: May 2002 Location: Rathdrum, ID Posts: 380	I want that pump __________________ This space for rent

05-11-2002, 12:00 AM	#10
Haddy Cooling Savant Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Mississippi Posts: 434	inches just is good for songs like "20 inches when it rolls out" no cm would sound moronic "50.8cm when it rolls out"....c sounds stupid (who can convert inch->cm, I CAN!! hehe) ............i use f to do outside temp and i use c on all my computer temps, just cause thats how i learned both.....

05-11-2002, 06:35 AM	#12
pompoen Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: belgium Posts: 41	good point but ... the formula isnt entirly correct its only an approach This is what happened. Mr Farhenheit defined the farhenheit scale by two marker points 1) 0 degrees was de coolest you can get water before it freezes 2) 100 degrees was his body-temp Today people have succeeded to cool water more and more before it starts to freeze, yes thats true under special conditions (without changing preassure offcourse) you can get water below 0°C. But this means the farhenheit scale shifts every time they succeeded to cool down water even further. Second, body temp changes all the time, its 37.5 °C on average but not all the time. How could you define what 100 degrees F should be :shrug: this is not ''my point of view'' or my opinion this are facts offcourse for everyday use the F-scale is usable AND ... i dont want make a big deal off this, i only mentioned it

05-11-2002, 03:07 PM	#13
deeznuts Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: san diego Posts: 142	umm, i still don't understand what the heck you just said. i don't know what they taught you at school, looks like some anti-F propaganda to me. if i am not mistaken, and i very well could be, 0F is not what is freezing. it is 32F. and body temp is 98.6F give or take. i have never heard about Mr Farenheit predefining specific points like that, and those points you listed are wrong anyway.

05-11-2002, 04:09 PM	#14
pHaestus Big Player Making Big Money Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: irc.lostgeek.com #procooling.com Posts: 4,782	Not sure where you come up with the idea that one scale is more accurate than another? Maybe you don't mean accurate* at all? Chemists, engineers, physicists (people who regularly need to be accurate with temperature sometimes to 0.001) use either C or K (interchangable). Farmers, cookbooks, and laymen use F; not for its accuracy but because it's "what their pa used". *If you mean that there are more numbers between freezing and boiling (180 unstead of 100) then that doesn't really mean one measure is more accurate than another. The instrument you use to measure temperature is what will determine the accuracy not the scale. If your thermometer isn't accurate enough to give C to a decimal place, then the F reading you get will have the same error.

05-11-2002, 05:03 PM	#15
pompoen Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: belgium Posts: 41	ok guys i give another try you can cool water beneath 0°C or 32degrees farhenheit without freezing it. At this time -38°C ( -36.4 F according to the formula ) is the coldest sientists can get water before it freezes. Mr Farhenheit defined 0 degrees F as the coldest you can cool water before it freezes. But when he lived, one did not have cooled water that far ( obviously it was before www.procooling.com ). 0 F was -17.77°C. What a scale needs to be accurate is good marker points that are constant and can be reproduced. Thats not the case for the F scale now its time to chill and forget about it If you dont believe it ... well ... i wont care

05-11-2002, 05:21 PM	#16
deeznuts Cooling Savant Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: san diego Posts: 142	see that's the thing, i have never seen this theory of Mr. F saying that 0F is the coldest you can get water to without freezing it. i guess that's why he started his scale at 0, but that doesn't change anything right? how does what you are saying not apply to celsius? 0C is supposed to be freezing, but you can get it much lower now you say. well Celsius needs an adjustment too right? they are all arbitrary numbers, and like pHaestus says, the measuring device will determine the accuracy. Mr. Farenheit says 0 was the lowest you can get water without freezing, and now they get it down to -20F or whatever, fine, now we make an adjustment, its -20F. with a mathematical formula, X degrees in farenheit, will always, and i mean always, be Y degrees in celsius. there is no way for one to be more accurate than the other. the creators might have been incorrect, but their scales remain the same.

05-12-2002, 05:34 AM	#17
Pinkster Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: adelaide, australia Posts: 61	that pump looks sweet... on http://www.littlegiant.com/ which model no is it? im thinking it might be model 581503 or something... in which case... its frigging huge also when you get it running let us know the noise level... __________________ whats a sig?

05-13-2002, 01:29 AM	#18
Hellion_Prime Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Arlington, MA, US Posts: 90	Yeah, it is a 581503. Its pretty quiet, actually. Not as quiet as my Eheim 1250, but the LG does have a cooling fan in the motor, so a little more noise is not unreasonable. As far as performance/flow rate differences between the two, its night and day. I'll update when I've had it running for a while. Just hooked it up a few hours ago. --HP __________________ That which does not kill me had BETTER do enough damage to keep me from firing back!

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