Maze 3s MUST be casted!

maskedgeek · 06-04-2002, 02:58 PM

me and some people have noticed that all maze 3s are casted,

they all have the exact same chip in the center, and they are all EXACTLY the same!
heres a thread started at ocforums, were they descovered this

http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showth...threadid=93640

UpAllNight · 06-04-2002, 03:30 PM

i have one i theres now way that this thing is cast...the same milling perfections come fomr the cutter breaking into a slot and pulling either the endmill over or the milling table over(depending on how heavy of a milling machine it is)..if it were cast there is no way to get that kinda finish on the bottom and u can see the burr's on the inside......that baby has been machined and sand blasted.....i remachined the out sides of my maze3 and its nothing but a solid peice of material

and by the way i have 25 years of machining all kinds of material

bigben2k · 06-04-2002, 03:44 PM

Right on UAN, there is no way that the 3 is cast.

It's too expensive a process, isn't it? I mean heating up copper to its melting point...

Cyco-Dude · 06-04-2002, 05:06 PM

they are just all machined the same way. and yes you can get the same flaws in all the blocks. theyve even said it was machined.

WebMasta33 · 06-04-2002, 07:24 PM

I posted about that chip as well. But everyone told me I was just nitpicking....

maskedgeek · 06-04-2002, 09:02 PM

I personally dont have one of these or plan on getting one of these, its just something some of us came up with, and i wanted to see what other people thought of it....

Fixittt · 06-04-2002, 09:21 PM

NOPE no way in he double push rods.

the chip came from the endmill breaking the edge as it left the material. Prolly pushing the feed rates a little high. Just about every block will show this flow if it is not corrected.

remember, castings leave small air bubbles in molten metal. Any kind of machining will leave small pits. I have a Spir@l that was machined from a cast off of casted copper alloy. I can show pics if needed.

RickCain · 06-05-2002, 11:03 AM

Funny how a simple conversation turns into fact

My buddy (20 plus years in a CNC shop) here at work looked at my Maze3 and can't understand how the flaws are so consistant. I'm still sad I spent $50 for something that performs worse than my Maze2.

Another thing we noticed is the color of the copper is different on the Maze2 and Maze3.

UpAllNight · 06-05-2002, 11:09 AM

a question for the ones that think its cast

how would u cast the burrs in it that are noticeable in the little channels that are ment to cause flow turblance...and i have remachined mine on all the side and the bottom with no small pits that u would see if it were cast(as fixitt explained earlyer)

hey fixitt why dony u post a pic of that cast block so these guys can see what a real cast block would look like

Gnozo · 06-05-2002, 11:41 AM

Hmm......they said at DD, that they would post a pic of a Maze 3 that wasn't sandblasted, they would post it on the frontpage in a couple of days....

They are stating that it's milled, so why make such a big deal out of it?

DigitalChaos · 06-05-2002, 12:42 PM

lol... wtf.. so if they were casted... WHY would the have a mold with a defect? why wouldnt they fix that?

because they are milled!

UpAllNight · 06-05-2002, 12:52 PM

im burntout of this thread...i believe this is the third time this has come up

Enough for me

DigitalChaos · 06-05-2002, 02:01 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by UpAllNight
im burntout of this thread...i believe this is the third time this has come up

Enough for me

no kidding... this is starting to feel like the... uhh well i wont say what forum... but im sure you all know

UpAllNight · 06-05-2002, 02:27 PM

LMAO @DC...yeah i know

maskedgeek · 06-05-2002, 10:51 PM

ok guys, its all figured out... thnx for the comments, well some of them....

Brad · 06-06-2002, 03:04 AM

maybe the basic shape is cast, then the bottom of the channels are milled out?

I have 0 years experience in all forms of metal work.

zervun · 06-06-2002, 05:29 AM

definately milled, I have at least 5 seperate burrs in mine, 3 which are quite large and looks like a few millimeeter hair hanging straight off, and 2 of them are curled just like a mill imperfection is. There is no possible way it could have been casted, also on mine, only the top is sandblasted and you can see the grain of the copper or whatever it is in the side, it's plainly obvious that it's a hunk of copper milled.

Fixittt · 06-06-2002, 08:07 AM

Ok here is the final answer...............

There is no way it is casted, at all. I have worked with casted matrial for a few years.

END OF DISCUSSION (BRAD)

LOL..... just pokin fun at you.

What most people will do, is cast a rough part, then machine it to spec. Now we all know that DD is a reputable company. They have never lied (that we know of) and they are not now.

I am 100% posative that if it was (BUT IT AINT) casted they would have no problems saying it was casted.

The fact of the matter is, that if you casted a water block and did not get all the air bubbles out of the molten material, You would have a small shower head effect on the base of the block, because they are so thin. Trust me, I have tried.

Brad · 06-07-2002, 01:39 AM

and I was just poking fun at upallnight

maybe a showerhead effect would be a good thing in the centre of the block

UpAllNight · 06-07-2002, 07:32 AM

well if i dont tell brad nobody would ever know...u sure cant tell i know anything by my 1st grade typing ability...

Cyco-Dude · 06-07-2002, 12:39 PM

bah, its 2nd grade at least...

06-04-2002, 02:58 PM	#1
maskedgeek Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: poop Posts: 145	Maze 3s MUST be casted! me and some people have noticed that all maze 3s are casted, they all have the exact same chip in the center, and they are all EXACTLY the same! heres a thread started at ocforums, were they descovered this http://forum.oc-forums.com/vb/showth...threadid=93640

06-04-2002, 03:30 PM	#2
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	i have one i theres now way that this thing is cast...the same milling perfections come fomr the cutter breaking into a slot and pulling either the endmill over or the milling table over(depending on how heavy of a milling machine it is)..if it were cast there is no way to get that kinda finish on the bottom and u can see the burr's on the inside......that baby has been machined and sand blasted.....i remachined the out sides of my maze3 and its nothing but a solid peice of material and by the way i have 25 years of machining all kinds of material __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

06-04-2002, 03:44 PM	#3
bigben2k Responsible for 2% of all the posts here. Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas, U.S.A. Posts: 8,302	Right on UAN, there is no way that the 3 is cast. It's too expensive a process, isn't it? I mean heating up copper to its melting point... __________________ WBTA (Water Block Testing Alliance) Nordic Hardware WC 101

06-04-2002, 07:24 PM	#5
WebMasta33 Cooling Savant Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Nebraska Posts: 526	I posted about that chip as well. But everyone told me I was just nitpicking.... __________________ ========== --Soyo KT333 DRAGON Ultra (Platinum Edition) --AMD 1.4 @ 1.54 (11x) --768mb of PC2100 (@140FSB) --Asus v8200 GeForce3 @ 210/490 --Maxtor 40gb Quiet + 2 IBM 40gb 60GXPs (removable) + 8gb WD --Audigy --Maze 3, DD Gf3 block, 2x BIX, Eheim1250 ===========

06-04-2002, 09:21 PM	#7
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	NOPE no way in he double push rods. the chip came from the endmill breaking the edge as it left the material. Prolly pushing the feed rates a little high. Just about every block will show this flow if it is not corrected. remember, castings leave small air bubbles in molten metal. Any kind of machining will leave small pits. I have a Spir@l that was machined from a cast off of casted copper alloy. I can show pics if needed. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

06-04-2002, 05:06 PM	#4
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	they are just all machined the same way. and yes you can get the same flaws in all the blocks. theyve even said it was machined.

06-04-2002, 09:02 PM	#6
maskedgeek Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: poop Posts: 145	I personally dont have one of these or plan on getting one of these, its just something some of us came up with, and i wanted to see what other people thought of it....

06-05-2002, 11:03 AM	#8
RickCain Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 110	Funny how a simple conversation turns into fact My buddy (20 plus years in a CNC shop) here at work looked at my Maze3 and can't understand how the flaws are so consistant. I'm still sad I spent $50 for something that performs worse than my Maze2. Another thing we noticed is the color of the copper is different on the Maze2 and Maze3.

06-05-2002, 11:09 AM	#9
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	a question for the ones that think its cast how would u cast the burrs in it that are noticeable in the little channels that are ment to cause flow turblance...and i have remachined mine on all the side and the bottom with no small pits that u would see if it were cast(as fixitt explained earlyer) hey fixitt why dony u post a pic of that cast block so these guys can see what a real cast block would look like __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

06-05-2002, 11:41 AM	#10
Gnozo Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Denmark Posts: 105	Hmm......they said at DD, that they would post a pic of a Maze 3 that wasn't sandblasted, they would post it on the frontpage in a couple of days.... They are stating that it's milled, so why make such a big deal out of it? __________________ AMD XP1700+ @ JIUHB 12 x 202 Epox 8RDA+ Samsung PC2700 512mb Asus V8420 TI4200 Eheim 1048 - Maze1 - AirPlex EVO240 - Lian Li PC-61

06-05-2002, 12:42 PM	#11
DigitalChaos Cooling Savant Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Waukesha, Wi Posts: 698	lol... wtf.. so if they were casted... WHY would the have a mold with a defect? why wouldnt they fix that? because they are milled!

06-05-2002, 12:52 PM	#12
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	im burntout of this thread...i believe this is the third time this has come up Enough for me __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

06-05-2002, 02:27 PM	#14
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	LMAO @DC...yeah i know __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

06-05-2002, 10:51 PM	#15
maskedgeek Registered User Join Date: May 2002 Location: poop Posts: 145	ok guys, its all figured out... thnx for the comments, well some of them....

06-06-2002, 03:04 AM	#16
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	maybe the basic shape is cast, then the bottom of the channels are milled out? I have 0 years experience in all forms of metal work. __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

06-06-2002, 05:29 AM	#17
zervun Cooling Neophyte Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 17	definately milled, I have at least 5 seperate burrs in mine, 3 which are quite large and looks like a few millimeeter hair hanging straight off, and 2 of them are curled just like a mill imperfection is. There is no possible way it could have been casted, also on mine, only the top is sandblasted and you can see the grain of the copper or whatever it is in the side, it's plainly obvious that it's a hunk of copper milled. __________________ zervun@hotmail.com Heatware Epox 4BDA i845 Chipset 1.6a Costa Rica @2.4 @1.65v Samsung pc2700 512mb @2.8v Maxtor 7200rpm 20gig ATA133 TDK 32x10x40x CDRW \|\| Acer 50x CDrom Leadteck A250 ti4400 305/650 Chieftech Server Case w/Chain Well 420watt PS FrontX Multimedia Ports Belkin 10/100TX Network Card Cambridge Soundworks Flat

06-06-2002, 08:07 AM	#18
Fixittt CNC Beyatch Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Tulsa Spell it backwards Posts: 721	Ok here is the final answer............... There is no way it is casted, at all. I have worked with casted matrial for a few years. END OF DISCUSSION (BRAD) LOL..... just pokin fun at you. What most people will do, is cast a rough part, then machine it to spec. Now we all know that DD is a reputable company. They have never lied (that we know of) and they are not now. I am 100% posative that if it was (BUT IT AINT) casted they would have no problems saying it was casted. The fact of the matter is, that if you casted a water block and did not get all the air bubbles out of the molten material, You would have a small shower head effect on the base of the block, because they are so thin. Trust me, I have tried. __________________ Creator of the Spir@l Block Longest post ever http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/showthread.php?s=&postid=43808#post43808

06-07-2002, 01:39 AM	#19
Brad Thermophile Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Nuu Zeeelin Posts: 3,175	and I was just poking fun at upallnight maybe a showerhead effect would be a good thing in the centre of the block __________________ 2x P3 1100's at 1400, Abit VP6, 2x Corsair 256mb PC150 sticks, 20gb 'cuda ATA-III, 2x 40gb 'cuda ATA-IV in raid 0. 20" Trinitron. No fans 2x 2400+ at 2288mhz (16.0 x 143), Iwill MPX2, 2x Kingmax PC-3200 256mb sticks, 4x 20gb 60gxp in Raid 5 on a Promise SX6000. Asus Ti4200 320/630. Cooled by Water

06-07-2002, 07:32 AM	#20
UpAllNight Cooling Savant Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: HILLBILLY LAND Posts: 159	well if i dont tell brad nobody would ever know...u sure cant tell i know anything by my 1st grade typing ability... __________________ XP1800 @172x10.5 Maze 3..Ehiem 1250..Chevette Rad 1 120mm panaflo @7v 1" shroud All fits nicely inside my case ambient(74 F) 2.0v Core(33.5) Loaded idle(31.5c) Enermax 431 watt Antec 1030B Gainward Geforce 3 TI200 241/548 Sony CDRW Creative 52x CD Soundblaster Live

06-07-2002, 12:39 PM	#21
Cyco-Dude Cooling Savant Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Dayton, Ohio Posts: 836	bah, its 2nd grade at least...

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